Anonymous wrote:This is leadership to diffuse the situation
Now if the Israeli's could get rid of Netanyahu, perhaps a viable two-state solution with support of the Jordanians, Egyptions and Saudis could come to light.
Leadership? Leadership would be stepping up and promising US boots on the ground in support of our invaluable ally of Israel both in Gaza and in the IDF’s Iranian offensive. Pathetic that Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide, rather than supporting them wholeheartedly. I guess he just has no interest in the Jewish vote, as I do not know a single Jewish individual in this country that would even consider voting for Biden or the Democrat/Hamas party.
Many Jews, including my Jewish husband and his Jewish family, feel Biden has done much too much to accommodate Israel, which they see as a racist, colonialist, apartheid regime. My Jewish family members are all voting for Biden, EVEN THOUGH they feel he panders too much to Israel because they think the alternative would be worse. It's such a disingenuous, hypocritical slur to say, "Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide," while Israel is genociding Palestinians. What a crock! Zionists have disgraced themselves by showing their racist colors and are no longer given the preferential treatment they are used to. They have deservedly lost their unearned privilege and are now whining that they're being treated the same as everyone else and are expected to follow the same norms (like not genociding indigenous people).
As for getting the U.S. military involved, NO. Just NO. Israel's racist values do not align with our own. My children are not going to die for your ethnosupremacism. As a predominantly Jewish family, we support the rights of the indigenous people, that is, the Palestinians, and our values prevent us from joining in Israel's shameless, bloodthirsty genocide in Gaza and its continuing terrorism and land theft in the West Bank.
If you’re for real, which I very much doubt, because your writing style is similar to the most prolific antisemite in this thread, you are in a very selfish and ignorant family.
How can you not see the selfishness of stealing Palestinian land, evicting Palestinians from their homes, and demanding privilege? And you don't get to call me an "antisemite." If I were, I would hardly have married a Jew. The irony is that you are the real racist because you privilege one group over another. It disgusts me that you're volunteering my children to die for a bunch of warmongering, ethno-supremacist racists.
Anonymous wrote:This is leadership to diffuse the situation
Now if the Israeli's could get rid of Netanyahu, perhaps a viable two-state solution with support of the Jordanians, Egyptions and Saudis could come to light.
Leadership? Leadership would be stepping up and promising US boots on the ground in support of our invaluable ally of Israel both in Gaza and in the IDF’s Iranian offensive. Pathetic that Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide, rather than supporting them wholeheartedly. I guess he just has no interest in the Jewish vote, as I do not know a single Jewish individual in this country that would even consider voting for Biden or the Democrat/Hamas party.
Many Jews, including my Jewish husband and his Jewish family, feel Biden has done much too much to accommodate Israel, which they see as a racist, colonialist, apartheid regime. My Jewish family members are all voting for Biden, EVEN THOUGH they feel he panders too much to Israel because they think the alternative would be worse. It's such a disingenuous, hypocritical slur to say, "Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide," while Israel is genociding Palestinians. What a crock! Zionists have disgraced themselves by showing their racist colors and are no longer given the preferential treatment they are used to. They have deservedly lost their unearned privilege and are now whining that they're being treated the same as everyone else and are expected to follow the same norms (like not genociding indigenous people).
As for getting the U.S. military involved, NO. Just NO. Israel's racist values do not align with our own. My children are not going to die for your ethnosupremacism. As a predominantly Jewish family, we support the rights of the indigenous people, that is, the Palestinians, and our values prevent us from joining in Israel's shameless, bloodthirsty genocide in Gaza and its continuing terrorism and land theft in the West Bank.
If you’re for real, which I very much doubt, because your writing style is similar to the most prolific antisemite in this thread, you are in a very selfish and ignorant family.
^I agree. People will make up any kind of sh#%^t to push their ideologies
Anonymous wrote:This is leadership to diffuse the situation
Now if the Israeli's could get rid of Netanyahu, perhaps a viable two-state solution with support of the Jordanians, Egyptions and Saudis could come to light.
Leadership? Leadership would be stepping up and promising US boots on the ground in support of our invaluable ally of Israel both in Gaza and in the IDF’s Iranian offensive. Pathetic that Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide, rather than supporting them wholeheartedly. I guess he just has no interest in the Jewish vote, as I do not know a single Jewish individual in this country that would even consider voting for Biden or the Democrat/Hamas party.
Many Jews, including my Jewish husband and his Jewish family, feel Biden has done much too much to accommodate Israel, which they see as a racist, colonialist, apartheid regime. My Jewish family members are all voting for Biden, EVEN THOUGH they feel he panders too much to Israel because they think the alternative would be worse. It's such a disingenuous, hypocritical slur to say, "Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide," while Israel is genociding Palestinians. What a crock! Zionists have disgraced themselves by showing their racist colors and are no longer given the preferential treatment they are used to. They have deservedly lost their unearned privilege and are now whining that they're being treated the same as everyone else and are expected to follow the same norms (like not genociding indigenous people).
As for getting the U.S. military involved, NO. Just NO. Israel's racist values do not align with our own. My children are not going to die for your ethnosupremacism. As a predominantly Jewish family, we support the rights of the indigenous people, that is, the Palestinians, and our values prevent us from joining in Israel's shameless, bloodthirsty genocide in Gaza and its continuing terrorism and land theft in the West Bank.
If you’re for real, which I very much doubt, because your writing style is similar to the most prolific antisemite in this thread, you are in a very selfish and ignorant family.
^I agree. People will make up any kind of sh#%^t to push their ideologies
Yep. Like they would make up the lie that Israel is a valuable ally and American troops should consider it a great honor to die for it. That’s top grade sh#%^t.
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
Who cares about what’s in the Bible?
There is also copious archeological evidence.
Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.
There is also copious archeological evidence that Palestinians were those suffering Jews back then . They decided enough is enough and to convert
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
Who cares about what’s in the Bible?
There is also copious archeological evidence.
Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.
I can't believe I am engaging again, but these claims overlook the key fact that the genetic markers that tie Jews to the region ALSO tie the Palestinians. They are both descended from the ancient Canaanites. I guess you think that all those who follow Islam are outsiders to the region? but this is just not true.
All of the ancient graveyards in Palestine Bury toward Jerusalem not Mecca which means they were Jewish till fairly recently in history . Israel even destroys these graveyards because I guess destroying Jewish graves is just what you do when you’re a Jewish state. Centuries of Ottoman Muslim and British Christian rulers didn’t desecrate Jewish graves but the Jewish state does
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
Who cares about what’s in the Bible?
There is also copious archeological evidence.
Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.
I can't believe I am engaging again, but these claims overlook the key fact that the genetic markers that tie Jews to the region ALSO tie the Palestinians. They are both descended from the ancient Canaanites. I guess you think that all those who follow Islam are outsiders to the region? but this is just not true.
All of the ancient graveyards in Palestine Bury toward Jerusalem not Mecca which means they were Jewish till fairly recently in history . Israel even destroys these graveyards because I guess destroying Jewish graves is just what you do when you’re a Jewish state. Centuries of Ottoman Muslim and British Christian rulers didn’t desecrate Jewish graves but the Jewish state does
Anonymous wrote:This is leadership to diffuse the situation
Now if the Israeli's could get rid of Netanyahu, perhaps a viable two-state solution with support of the Jordanians, Egyptions and Saudis could come to light.
Leadership? Leadership would be stepping up and promising US boots on the ground in support of our invaluable ally of Israel both in Gaza and in the IDF’s Iranian offensive. Pathetic that Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide, rather than supporting them wholeheartedly. I guess he just has no interest in the Jewish vote, as I do not know a single Jewish individual in this country that would even consider voting for Biden or the Democrat/Hamas party.
Many Jews, including my Jewish husband and his Jewish family, feel Biden has done much too much to accommodate Israel, which they see as a racist, colonialist, apartheid regime. My Jewish family members are all voting for Biden, EVEN THOUGH they feel he panders too much to Israel because they think the alternative would be worse. It's such a disingenuous, hypocritical slur to say, "Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide," while Israel is genociding Palestinians. What a crock! Zionists have disgraced themselves by showing their racist colors and are no longer given the preferential treatment they are used to. They have deservedly lost their unearned privilege and are now whining that they're being treated the same as everyone else and are expected to follow the same norms (like not genociding indigenous people).
As for getting the U.S. military involved, NO. Just NO. Israel's racist values do not align with our own. My children are not going to die for your ethnosupremacism. As a predominantly Jewish family, we support the rights of the indigenous people, that is, the Palestinians, and our values prevent us from joining in Israel's shameless, bloodthirsty genocide in Gaza and its continuing terrorism and land theft in the West Bank.
If you’re for real, which I very much doubt, because your writing style is similar to the most prolific antisemite in this thread, you are in a very selfish and ignorant family.
You can't defend your claims with logic and facts, and you don't even try to address mine. All you are left with are insults and put-downs, whch means you can't defend your stance.
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
Who cares about what’s in the Bible?
There is also copious archeological evidence.
Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.
I can't believe I am engaging again, but these claims overlook the key fact that the genetic markers that tie Jews to the region ALSO tie the Palestinians. They are both descended from the ancient Canaanites. I guess you think that all those who follow Islam are outsiders to the region? but this is just not true.
All of the ancient graveyards in Palestine Bury toward Jerusalem not Mecca which means they were Jewish till fairly recently in history . Israel even destroys these graveyards because I guess destroying Jewish graves is just what you do when you’re a Jewish state. Centuries of Ottoman Muslim and British Christian rulers didn’t desecrate Jewish graves but the Jewish state does
Hamas didn’t destroy churches in Gaza, IDF did.
Under Hamas rule, the number of Christians in Gaza has dropped by 99%.
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
The Koran says Israel belongs to the Jews.
It also warns Jews won’t rule with Justice and will spread corruption in the land and be arrogant .
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
Who cares about what’s in the Bible?
There is also copious archeological evidence.
Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.
I can't believe I am engaging again, but these claims overlook the key fact that the genetic markers that tie Jews to the region ALSO tie the Palestinians. They are both descended from the ancient Canaanites. I guess you think that all those who follow Islam are outsiders to the region? but this is just not true.
All of the ancient graveyards in Palestine Bury toward Jerusalem not Mecca which means they were Jewish till fairly recently in history . Israel even destroys these graveyards because I guess destroying Jewish graves is just what you do when you’re a Jewish state. Centuries of Ottoman Muslim and British Christian rulers didn’t desecrate Jewish graves but the Jewish state does
Hamas didn’t destroy churches in Gaza, IDF did.
Under Hamas rule, the number of Christians in Gaza has dropped by 99%.
99% of everyone in Gaza was originally from cities in Israel and pushed out to Gaza . Gaza is a refugee camp. Less than 2% of the Gazans are true blue native Gazans. The true blue native Gazans are the most opposed to Hamas because they aren’t from refugee family forcibly removed in 1948 from Israel. The most native Gazans are from the city of Rafah. This is the city that Israel told all the Gazans to seek refuge in from bombing because they knew they were most opposed to Hamas. Now, Israel is bombing it because they don’t want to say it but they believe the Saudi intel that Sinwar used a tunnel to go to Egypt
The Gaza Strip is only about 5 miles wide. Not very fertile for farmland. It’s the worst piece of land (the deserts and kibbutz by Gaza aren’t that great either which is probably why Israel put the Bedouins there) but Hamas were able to urbanize it and use tunnels for imports since there is a sea blockade, international sanctions, and they can’t build ports.
Hamas with no resource or money built some better infrastructure in Gaza than in rural Southern Israel
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
Who cares about what’s in the Bible?
There is also copious archeological evidence.
Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.
I can't believe I am engaging again, but these claims overlook the key fact that the genetic markers that tie Jews to the region ALSO tie the Palestinians. They are both descended from the ancient Canaanites. I guess you think that all those who follow Islam are outsiders to the region? but this is just not true.
All of the ancient graveyards in Palestine Bury toward Jerusalem not Mecca which means they were Jewish till fairly recently in history . Israel even destroys these graveyards because I guess destroying Jewish graves is just what you do when you’re a Jewish state. Centuries of Ottoman Muslim and British Christian rulers didn’t desecrate Jewish graves but the Jewish state does
Hamas didn’t destroy churches in Gaza, IDF did.
Under Hamas rule, the number of Christians in Gaza has dropped by 99%.
Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.
There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.
Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.
His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .
Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.
The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.
Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.
Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.
MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.
The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.
Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.
There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.
First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.
Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.
Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.
What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.
No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.
Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.
Who cares about what’s in the Bible?
There is also copious archeological evidence.
Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.
I can't believe I am engaging again, but these claims overlook the key fact that the genetic markers that tie Jews to the region ALSO tie the Palestinians. They are both descended from the ancient Canaanites. I guess you think that all those who follow Islam are outsiders to the region? but this is just not true.
All of the ancient graveyards in Palestine Bury toward Jerusalem not Mecca which means they were Jewish till fairly recently in history . Israel even destroys these graveyards because I guess destroying Jewish graves is just what you do when you’re a Jewish state. Centuries of Ottoman Muslim and British Christian rulers didn’t desecrate Jewish graves but the Jewish state does
Hamas didn’t destroy churches in Gaza, IDF did.
Under Hamas rule, the number of Christians in Gaza has dropped by 99%.
99% of everyone in Gaza was originally from cities in Israel and pushed out to Gaza . Gaza is a refugee camp. Less than 2% of the Gazans are true blue native Gazans. The true blue native Gazans are the most opposed to Hamas because they aren’t from refugee family forcibly removed in 1948 from Israel. The most native Gazans are from the city of Rafah. This is the city that Israel told all the Gazans to seek refuge in from bombing because they knew they were most opposed to Hamas. Now, Israel is bombing it because they don’t want to say it but they believe the Saudi intel that Sinwar used a tunnel to go to Egypt
The Gaza Strip is only about 5 miles wide. Not very fertile for farmland. It’s the worst piece of land (the deserts and kibbutz by Gaza aren’t that great either which is probably why Israel put the Bedouins there) but Hamas were able to urbanize it and use tunnels for imports since there is a sea blockade, international sanctions, and they can’t build ports.
Hamas with no resource or money built some better infrastructure in Gaza than in rural Southern Israel
Mathis is the worst piece of fiction I have ever read, and that’s saying a lot. It’s so wrong there’s nowhere to start with it.
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