Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is leadership to diffuse the situation

Now if the Israeli's could get rid of Netanyahu, perhaps a viable two-state solution with support of the Jordanians, Egyptions and Saudis could come to light.

Such good news that Biden won't support Israel's warmongering against Iran! Israel has used and abused the U.S.'s goodwill for far too long.

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Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.

There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.

Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.

His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .

Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.

The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.

Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.

Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.

MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.

The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.

Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.

There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.

First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.

Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.

Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.

What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.

No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.

Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of getting manipulated into funding and fighting proxy wars for another nation, we need to focus on our own nation's problems. Priorities.

What we need to do is stop messing around and put US boots on the ground both in Gaza and against Iran.


Israel has been one of our strongest and most important allies, and they are in a desperate battle with Hamas to prevent the genocide of their people, and Biden sits there and does nothing. The fact our brave service members are not standing side by side with the heroic IDF forces in Gaza as they save the Palestinian people from Hamas is tragic, it’s sick, and Biden’s refusal to act is worthy of impeachment.

OMG no!

You are absolutely in a very small minority with this opinion!

Not the person you are responding to, but I absolutely agree Israel is one of our strongest and most important allies and we need them more than they need us. Biden is weak and scared and losing his mind. That poster is not in a very small minority if you look at polls.

What do we need them for?

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Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.

There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.

Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.

His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .

Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.

The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.

Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.

Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.

MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.

The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.

Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.

There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.

First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.

Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.

Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.

What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.

No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.

Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.

Who cares about what’s in the Bible?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.

There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.

Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.

His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .

Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.

The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.

Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.

Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.

MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.

The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.

Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.

There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.

First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.

Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.

Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.

What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.

No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.

Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.

Who cares about what’s in the Bible?

There is also copious archeological evidence.

Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.

There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.

Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.

His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .

Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.

The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.

Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.

Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.

MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.

The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.

Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.

There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.

First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.

Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.

Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.

What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.

No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.

Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.

DP do you consider the Bible a historical document?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.

There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.

Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.

His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .

Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.

The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.

Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.

Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.

MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.

The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.

Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.

There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.

First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.

Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.

Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.

What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.

No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.

Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.

Who cares about what’s in the Bible?

There is also copious archeological evidence.

Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.

Lots of people were indigenous in that land. Pretending Jews are "the only recognized native population" of the area is beyond stupid. Recognized? by whom, Omaha Zionist Fancier Daily?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is leadership to diffuse the situation

Now if the Israeli's could get rid of Netanyahu, perhaps a viable two-state solution with support of the Jordanians, Egyptions and Saudis could come to light.

Leadership? Leadership would be stepping up and promising US boots on the ground in support of our invaluable ally of Israel both in Gaza and in the IDF’s Iranian offensive. Pathetic that Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide, rather than supporting them wholeheartedly. I guess he just has no interest in the Jewish vote, as I do not know a single Jewish individual in this country that would even consider voting for Biden or the Democrat/Hamas party.

Many Jews, including my Jewish husband and his Jewish family, feel Biden has done much too much to accommodate Israel, which they see as a racist, colonialist, apartheid regime. My Jewish family members are all voting for Biden, EVEN THOUGH they feel he panders too much to Israel because they think the alternative would be worse. It's such a disingenuous, hypocritical slur to say, "Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide," while Israel is genociding Palestinians. What a crock! Zionists have disgraced themselves by showing their racist colors and are no longer given the preferential treatment they are used to. They have deservedly lost their unearned privilege and are now whining that they're being treated the same as everyone else and are expected to follow the same norms (like not genociding indigenous people).

As for getting the U.S. military involved, NO. Just NO. Israel's racist values do not align with our own. My children are not going to die for your ethnosupremacism. As a predominantly Jewish family, we support the rights of the indigenous people, that is, the Palestinians, and our values prevent us from joining in Israel's shameless, bloodthirsty genocide in Gaza and its continuing terrorism and land theft in the West Bank.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is leadership to diffuse the situation

Now if the Israeli's could get rid of Netanyahu, perhaps a viable two-state solution with support of the Jordanians, Egyptions and Saudis could come to light.

Leadership? Leadership would be stepping up and promising US boots on the ground in support of our invaluable ally of Israel both in Gaza and in the IDF’s Iranian offensive. Pathetic that Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide, rather than supporting them wholeheartedly. I guess he just has no interest in the Jewish vote, as I do not know a single Jewish individual in this country that would even consider voting for Biden or the Democrat/Hamas party.

Many Jews, including my Jewish husband and his Jewish family, feel Biden has done much too much to accommodate Israel, which they see as a racist, colonialist, apartheid regime. My Jewish family members are all voting for Biden, EVEN THOUGH they feel he panders too much to Israel because they think the alternative would be worse. It's such a disingenuous, hypocritical slur to say, "Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide," while Israel is genociding Palestinians. What a crock! Zionists have disgraced themselves by showing their racist colors and are no longer given the preferential treatment they are used to. They have deservedly lost their unearned privilege and are now whining that they're being treated the same as everyone else and are expected to follow the same norms (like not genociding indigenous people).

As for getting the U.S. military involved, NO. Just NO. Israel's racist values do not align with our own. My children are not going to die for your ethnosupremacism. As a predominantly Jewish family, we support the rights of the indigenous people, that is, the Palestinians, and our values prevent us from joining in Israel's shameless, bloodthirsty genocide in Gaza and its continuing terrorism and land theft in the West Bank.

If you’re for real, which I very much doubt, because your writing style is similar to the most prolific antisemite in this thread, you are in a very selfish and ignorant family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is leadership to diffuse the situation

Now if the Israeli's could get rid of Netanyahu, perhaps a viable two-state solution with support of the Jordanians, Egyptions and Saudis could come to light.

Leadership? Leadership would be stepping up and promising US boots on the ground in support of our invaluable ally of Israel both in Gaza and in the IDF’s Iranian offensive. Pathetic that Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide, rather than supporting them wholeheartedly. I guess he just has no interest in the Jewish vote, as I do not know a single Jewish individual in this country that would even consider voting for Biden or the Democrat/Hamas party.

Many Jews, including my Jewish husband and his Jewish family, feel Biden has done much too much to accommodate Israel, which they see as a racist, colonialist, apartheid regime. My Jewish family members are all voting for Biden, EVEN THOUGH they feel he panders too much to Israel because they think the alternative would be worse. It's such a disingenuous, hypocritical slur to say, "Biden is advocating for the genocide of Israel and all Jews worldwide," while Israel is genociding Palestinians. What a crock! Zionists have disgraced themselves by showing their racist colors and are no longer given the preferential treatment they are used to. They have deservedly lost their unearned privilege and are now whining that they're being treated the same as everyone else and are expected to follow the same norms (like not genociding indigenous people).

As for getting the U.S. military involved, NO. Just NO. Israel's racist values do not align with our own. My children are not going to die for your ethnosupremacism. As a predominantly Jewish family, we support the rights of the indigenous people, that is, the Palestinians, and our values prevent us from joining in Israel's shameless, bloodthirsty genocide in Gaza and its continuing terrorism and land theft in the West Bank.

If you’re for real, which I very much doubt, because your writing style is similar to the most prolific antisemite in this thread, you are in a very selfish and ignorant family.

LOL how many of your children are fighting in IDF right now?

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Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.

There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.

Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.

His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .

Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.

The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.

Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.

Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.

MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.

The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.

Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.

There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.

First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.

Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.

Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.

What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.

No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.

Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.

Who cares about what’s in the Bible?

There is also copious archeological evidence.

Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.

I can't believe I am engaging again, but these claims overlook the key fact that the genetic markers that tie Jews to the region ALSO tie the Palestinians. They are both descended from the ancient Canaanites. I guess you think that all those who follow Islam are outsiders to the region? but this is just not true.

[Anonymous]

I don't have patience for terrorism, so that's where I draw the line. So far the only acts of terrorism I have seen are on the part of Palestinians, PLO onwards. I have no doubt Israel has, does and will act in some terrible manners but acts of terrorism differentiate Palestinians from all the rest of the at times terrible peoples if the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have patience for terrorism, so that's where I draw the line. So far the only acts of terrorism I have seen are on the part of Palestinians, PLO onwards. I have no doubt Israel has, does and will act in some terrible manners but acts of terrorism differentiate Palestinians from all the rest of the at times terrible peoples if the world.

That’s because you swallowed the hasbara line that any acts of dissent by the Palestinians are terrorism. Smacked in the face the settler who came to pogrom your village and kill your family? You’re a terrorist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so- there are lunatics on the left.

There are far more racists who say they feel for the Palestinians but "jewish lives are sacred" and these people dont even realize that this is a racist thing to say. Herzl himself regarded the zionist project as a colonial project, you cannot consider yourself truly German and also indigenous to a Middle East your ancestors fled during the reign of Tiberius . These european jews felt that they were being forced out of Europe, so that whole argument falls apart. I agree with Miriam Margolyes's statement. The actions of Israelis- all of the ones who are jewish agree that not one loaf of bread should enter Gaza, 69 percent of Israelis/30 percent are Arab Israelis/ agree with a Middle Ages style blockade- dont jibe with the judaism that I have encountered in my life with its emphasis on empathy and healing the world.

Herzl was an extremist. Actually, many Jews were opposed to him in Europe and didn’t feel forced out of Europe in the 1800s and felt his idea of leaving Europe for Palestine was anti Semitic. They felt culturally and linguistically European and that going to create a colonial settlement in the Middle East would be doing what the anti Semites want.

His movement didn’t gain traction till after WW2/ the Holocaust . That’s when most Jews finally saw the need for Israel , but initially Jews were opposed to Herzls idea about creating an Israel in the Holy Land. They thought Jews were better off in every Middle Eastern country instead of just one .

Interesting. I've always thought the Zionist claim on Palestine due to being "the true indigenous people," based on having ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago, was incredibly weak. If I were to demand some of "my" ancestral land in Ireland back because Oliver Cromwell stole it almost 400 years ago, I don't think I'd get very far.

The “Zionist” (a term that is incredibly anti-Semitic) claim is not that our right to Israel comes from anyone who lived there 2000 years ago.

Our claim is that the Jewish people have a history of residence in the area that is currently considered to be Israel (as well as the West Bank and Gaza) that stretches back thousands of years. Additionally, outside of periods where the land was under the control of invading nations (Romans, Turks, British, and most recently the Palestinians), the Jewish people have been the governing body of the land. They have a very strong claim, which is why they are recognized as the leaders of modern Israel, not Hamas.

Zionism is an acquisitive, expansionist, imperialist, racist, selfish, colonial, and genocidal ideology. Judaism is a religion. Stop trying to hijack the term "antisemitism" to justify the evil and supremacist philosophy of Zionism. That is in itself antisemitic. Judaism is not Zionism, and antisemitism is not anti-Zionism. You stain Judaism when you associate it with Zionism.

MANY people, including today's Palestinians, have a history of residence in what is currently considered to be Israel. Every one of us has a history of residence in Africa, which is where our species originated. Does that mean we can take over Ethiopia and evict the current indigenous people? Many of us have a history of residence in what is now Israel, as our ancestors lived in that land on their journey out of Africa. It was the first land traversed by ancient humans as they exited Africa. UN Resolution 181 was a terrible mistake. It should have been mitigated by UN Resolution 194, but Zionists, true to their overweening cultural narcissism, believe they can pick and choose which international laws suit them.

The land currently called Israel has been continuously inhabited by humans for possibly more than 100,000 years. It was certainly inhabited tens of thousands of years before Judaism was even invented. It has been conquered and re-conquered repeatedly. Why should one group that lived there 2,000 years ago and then left and mingled with other populations suddenly be given the region? If we were to apply that precedent the world over, there would be absolute chaos.

Do you ever stop to think of the rights of Palestinians, or do you consider them so ethnically inferior that they can simply be evicted or exterminated for the convenience of Zionists? Do you want to murder them all so you can build new settlements in Gaza or the West Bank before their bodies are cold? Many Palestinians are the descendants of people who lived in the region millennia before Judaism was invented. Some are descendants of Jews and had ancestors that converted to Islam or Christianity. In what world should THESE people suddenly lose their rights to invading hordes who had been absent for thousands of years and were as much native to Poland or Russia as to Palestine? During the Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were murdered, raped, and had their land and belongings stolen by Zionist invaders, and about three-quarters of a million of them were evicted from their homes, driven across borders, and murdered if they tried to revisit their homes. This is an absolutely despicable blot on human history. Israel should be doing what Germany does. It should admit it conducted genocide during the Nakba and is continuing to do so now and then redress the atrocities of its past. That is the way forward for all of us as we collectively come to terms with our primitive and bloodthirsty history and attempt to reinvent ourselves as ethical and equitable.

There is breathtaking irony in your attempts to weaponize "antisemitism" to allow the genocide of indigenous Palestinians. Breathtaking.

First, it is clear you do not understand the history of Israel.

Certainly there have been many different populations that called Israel home - the Egyptians, Romans, Turks, British, and Palestinians have all, at different times, emigrated into Israel, however the one constant over thousands of years has been that Jewish people. Unlike these invaders, who were historically drawn by the regions’ economic and environmental prosperity and the Jewish people’s hospitality, Jewish people have been consistently present in the region, and considered to be the sole native population, up until the last decade or so in which Iran and Palestinian Allie’s have spread the lie that Jews only entered Israel in the 1940s. This is not true, the Jewish identify was the primary, dominant culture in the region going back to thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, and were never fully removed from the area, as other cultures invaded, faded, were replaced, and shifted.

Of course I consider the right of Palestinians. As does Israel. Many Palestinians live in Israel with the same rights as any other Israeli, serve in the IDF, and support the current mission. The removal of Hamas is in the best interest of all innocent Palestinians. If you support Palestinians and Palestine, you should be strongly supporting Israel in its current mission, as their intentions and the intentions of innocent Palestinians are the same.

What many are misrepresenting as supporting Palestinians is actually supporting Hamas - calling for a ceasefire before Hamas is removed from power over the Palestinian people, calling for the reimplementation of the previous corrupt Humanitarian aid program so Hamas can continue to siphon off aid and sell it to support their war plans, etc… None of that is moving towards a better world where the Palestinian people. The reality you people refuse to accept is that the Palestinian people are far better off right now then they were on 10/6, and the reason for that is solely because Israel has intervened and is currently hard at work removing their oppressive Hamas overlords.

No one considers Jews the sole native population of the region. That’s your own personal wet dream.

Different poster. It's in the bible. Once again every has different standards for Jews than other minority groups.

Who cares about what’s in the Bible?

There is also copious archeological evidence.

Everyone loves ranting about indigenous peoples, especially from their living rooms, built on indigenous land. Except, when the indigenous people are Jews.

OK, let's make the hypothetical case of two people living "between the river and the sea." Person A, who is Jewish, lives in Tel Aviv. Person B, who is Palestinian, lived in Khan Younis until the IDF destroyed his house, so he is currently homeless, itinerant, and starving in the Gaza Strip. Let's assume they both descend from the same tribe that inhabited the area in 3000 BCE. Another tribe attacked them and did the usual thing for the time -- killed the men and "assimilated" the women. This continued for centuries, with various tribes attacking one another and doing the same. They both have ancestors who were Jewish and others who practiced ancient Canaanite and other religions. Eventually, A's immediate family, whom the Romans regarded as Zealots, flees to Poland, where they intermarry with the locals. Person A has fair skin and light eyes, reflecting his 80% European heritage. In the 1800s, Person A's great-great-great-grandfather moves to the U.S. and marries someone with a similar European heritage. Meanwhile, Person B's ancestors are also Jewish at around 50 CE but convert to Christianity. Those not fed to the lions continue to work the land. Some centuries later, they learn about this cool, new religion, Islam, and give that a whirl. Person B's grandparents live happily in a little village called Al-Dawayima until the IDF targets it for "depopulation." Meanwhile, Person A's grandfather lives comfortably in the U.S. and learns of free land available in this nice, warm place in the Mediterranean. He joins the IDF and participates in the attack on Al-Dawayima. He and other IDF forces encounter no resistance or violence from the villagers, so they are free to enjoy their unobstructed rampage around the village, shooting men, women, and children indiscriminately. Person A's grandfather finds some of Person B's cousins cowering behind a wall and smashes their heads in with a stick. Then he has a field day blockading the villagers' homes and blowing them up. After that, he and his cronies experience the fresh joy of invading a mosque, where they execute about 75 villagers. Then they rampage around the area killing survivors, who they find trying to hide in caves and grottoes nearby. That little adventure happily concluded, Person A's grandfather, who fancies himself a painter, settles in a pretty stone cottage in Ein Hod, an artist's colony. The Palestinian owners of the cottage have been exterminated or evicted, but who cares. The cottage is cozy and pleasant, and how convenient! It's already furnished with beautiful items, lovingly handmade by the former Palestinian inhabitants. In 1955, the cottage is becoming too small for his growing family, so he moves to the newly-created moshav of Amatzia, which is being built on the ruins of Al-Dawayima. He visits the building site of his future home to find a few bones have been unearthed, and he casually wonders whether they belong to someone he murdered seven years previously. Meanwhile, Person B's grandfather has been murdered at Al-Dawayima. Person B's father, then a little boy, flees with some other survivors and eventually ends up at a refugee camp in Gaza, where Person B is born. Meanwhile, Person A's father grows up in Amatzia and later moves to Tel Aviv, where Person A is born.

How stupid does one have to be to believe the lie that Person A is indigenous but Person B is not? This is an insult to one's intelligence. And in what world is what happened to Person B's family ever acceptable? Under UN Resolution, Person B has the right of return or compensation, but Israel is too selfish to comply. Why would any decent person soil their conscience by supporting this genocide of Palestinians?

For a history of Al-Dawayima, read https://truthout.org/articles/genocide-in-gaza-is-making-nakba-survivors-relive-their-own-ethnic-cleansing/#:~:text=The%20Dawayima%20village%20was%20the,up%20by%20the%20Israeli%20government.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have patience for terrorism, so that's where I draw the line. So far the only acts of terrorism I have seen are on the part of Palestinians, PLO onwards. I have no doubt Israel has, does and will act in some terrible manners but acts of terrorism differentiate Palestinians from all the rest of the at times terrible peoples if the world.

How about the acts of terrorism inherent in blowing up the King David Hotel and exterminating and butchering Palestinians during the Nakba? How about the acts of terrorism in the West Bank, in which crazy settlers attack and sometimes kill Palestinians and burn their homes, usually with complete impunity? How about the acts of terrorism going on in Gaza against innocent civilians, aid workers, and journalists? Doctors in Gaza are seeing small children, seven and eight years old, coming in with single bullet wounds to the head or chest, which they see as evidence of deliberate, targeted sniper attacks. Isn't it terrorism to hunt down and execute children? Executing doctors who refuse to abandon their patients is terrorism.

One would have to be extremely racist to view Israeli atrocities in a different light from Hamas's atrocities. There's really no difference ethically between the two.