Real Concern: Does Hazing still happen in the Greek system?
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Anonymous
| I'm NOT looking for specific schools or frats/sororities. NOT looking to debate pros/cons. I'm unfamiliar with the system and my kid may be interested (in future, don't even know specific "house"). So my specific question is...Does physical and or sexual abuse happen within the system as a part of the initiation etc, or is this an out-dated concern? I'm thinking beatings (hazing), forced drinking, and God knows what else. I would be thrilled to be told I'm ridiculous to worry about this...but it rattles around in the back of my head and I'd like to have an idea if this is a real concern or not. Thank you. |
Anonymous
| Yes. |
Anonymous
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Yes. Search on here.
It’s quite bad. Even at T20. |
Anonymous
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What school is your kid at? At most of the top academic schools, you won’t see the crazy hazing you will at large state schools.
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Anonymous
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Yes, of course.
And it happens outside of frats. My college banned frats for hazing and then found the various clubs picked up the slack... the theater society or whatever it was was vicious—it was different vicious, no dog cages and elephant walks, but it was cruel, involved drugs, alcohol, sexual humiliation and sleep deprivation. Hell, I was the editor in chief of the student paper and we hazed the shit out of freshmen writers. 18-22 kids who are offered power/freedom from adult supervision are very mean to newbies. |
Anonymous
| My kids were Greek at UVA never personally experienced hazing at any time. My DS chose a fraternity that was known for not hazing and yes there were definitely some houses that did haze and subsequently got in trouble (kicked off). So the answer is yes it still happens but not in every chapter. |
Anonymous
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Yes.
According to NIH studies, the frequency and severity of binge drinking is much higher among people in Greek organizations than among others, including into adulthood. There are also much higher rates of sexual assault. |
Anonymous
Like Dartmouth? |
Anonymous
My DS left his fraternity at UVA because of the hazing and dangerous alcohol-related behavior generally. |
Anonymous
It definitely does. See this story from last Fall at Dartmouth: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dartmouth-sorority-fraternity-charged-student-dead-rcna181491 |
Anonymous
You won't find out about hazing unless it makes the local news, or your child quits. I was in a fraternity. First rule of pledging is you are sworn to secrecy. General rule of college: don't worry your parents if you can avoid it. Ask him in 5 years, you might get a different answer about hazing. |
Anonymous
Yes and the mother of the victim said her son called her and said that there was hazing by a sorority to drink until blackout drunk on multiple occasions since he was trying to get an internship the frat had connections to, so he felt he could not leave the frat. Here's another hazing incident at Dartmouth: https://vnews.com/2024/12/15/dartmouth-student-and-mom-break-code-of-silence-over-dartmouth-hazing-58395612/ |
Anonymous
| OP here - not the responses I was hoping for but I appreciate your honesty |
Anonymous
I'm not arguing, but I do know I did not tell my mother about any hazing that was done to me or that I did to others. "We don't do that stuff," I told her. And I even believed it. I wasn't being hazed, I was having fun! Those other houses THEY haze, because they're dbags. I'm drinking this handle of Jack Daniels that has been duct-taped to my hands because I'm a cool guy and my cool new friends should see that. |
Anonymous
| Yes. It’s all secretive, the rituals and the hazing. |