USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:So what's up with all these protestors wearing facemasks or scarves? They are outdoors and Covid numbers are pretty much non-existent (not like college students care about it anyways). They are all wearing masks for one reason - to hide their identity. What a bunch of hypocrites. If they believed in their cause so much, why not show your face?

I think they’re cowards. While I have mixed feelings about the protests, I think the people who show their faces have more legitimacy in my eyes than the cowards who hide behind masks.

She says from behind her keyboard supporting genocide. Gotcha.

and what’s your first name and last name? Would you like to post your picture?

Hamas could have stopped this long time ago by returning the hostages. I see a lot of blame towards Israel, but none towards Hamas.

I am also not the one out there, protesting for what I believe in. If I would, I would not have my face covered.

Exactly. No demands against Hamas, no condemnation of them, no demands to return the hostages Hamas seized. So it’s very clear these are Hamas supporters.

I’m confused…. Are these university endowment funds invested in Hamas? Is the US government providing weapons of war to Hamas? What could the kids possible demand of their universities in regards to Hamas? They’ve already been sanctioned to oblivion and everyone doesn’t even have food now…

You are confused. Universities are absolutely funding, supporting, and enabling Hamas. Any protester seriously interested in peace should be calling for the following, at a minimum:

1. Fire faculty members who explicitly support and propagandize on behalf of Hamas (multiple examples; remember the prof who was "exhilarated" by 10/7).

2. Expel students who meet with Hamas affiliates to coordinate propaganda efforts. See the Columbia student leaders who met with PFLP terrorist.

3. Defund and remove recognition from student groups that explicitly support Hamas. See Harvard organizations who issued statement post 10/7, among others.

Oh, if only we could allow Zionists to call even more shots on U.S. soil.

Sorry, thought you wanted a serious answer to your question about how universities are supporting Hamas. Didn't realize you just wanted to engage in name-calling.

Let's do it your way. Terrorist.

I guess this will be the one time a clown like you can one-up me, I guess, since you’re a racist terrorist of a fraud, promoting a culture your ancestors co-opted and stole from actual historical figures.

My ancestors? Are Swedes involved in this in some way?

Sure, Jan. We found the one Swede who instinctively plays the terrorist card or the anti-semite card after someone calls them out for regurgitating Zionist propaganda. You probably are pasty and blue-eyed, though, I’ll give you that.

But you’re about as Swedish as the famous fish.

LOL. Want me to tell you about the horrors of lutefisk?

You found one of the people interested in serious discussion of the issues. But I'm also willing to have fun with the propaganda trolls, so keep it coming!

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Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of losers. Shouldn't they be studying for finals?

Student protests have changed the course of history - Vietnam, Tiannamen, May 4th, Soweto, and many of the gun violence protests in the US. I'm heartened to see the students leading the charge against genocide here. LEt's hope that they put enough pressure on our government - and government around the world - to put an end to Israeli terror.

NP. It is true that student protests have changed the course of history, but those changes only occur in the direction that students want if there is larger and quieter agreement in the larger society. Sometimes student protests work to serve the cause they are opposing, because the protests drive the moderates away and cause a hardening on the other side.

As an example, the Vietnam war protests did indeed change policy in favor of the protest goals, but that’s because the war was already wildly unpopular. The protests were buoyed by large amounts of quiet but firm anti-war sentiment among average Americans. The students were seen as radicals, but they were reflecting a position that had varying degrees of popular support. The same is true of the civil rights movement: in general, the civil rights movement had popular support, so the protests were understood. I’m not saying the average voter endorsed the techniques or the most radical positions, but at a high level, students protesting Vietnam or in favor of civil rights has a good measure of more widespread cultural support.

But that’s not always the case. Tiananmen Square caused an opposite reaction than what the protestors wanted, precisely because the protests gave the ruling party the cover to squelch dissent ruthlessly and that position was quietly supported by many Chinese people. There were many Chinese people in 1989 who had relatives in living memory who had died under the Great Leap Forward and who were petrified that the goals of the protestors would cause the nascent Chinese economic engine to falter. The protestors were seen as risking economic prosperity to many people in China, who, while they might have disapproved the violence used by the government, didn’t disagree with the end goal of the government. The Tianamen protests were not backed by widespread community support within China, and therefore in the end the protests had the exact opposite outcome than what was intended.

Here, I don’t get the sense that goals of the protestors are widely shared by most of the larger US population. The overt support of Hamas and calls for death to Jews that some of the organizers are putting out do not resonate with a lot of average Americans. Raising the flag of a foreign country while covered in masks isn’t something that a lot of Americans will get behind, even if they want to reduce military support to Israel or wash US hands of the matter.

It’s not clear to me what is going to happen here but my gut sense is that these protests are not doing much to persuade average Americans that we should be changing policy with respect to Israel. What I do think they are doing is driving moderates towards the Republicans because they are cementing the perception that the Democratic Party has been taken over by progressive nutcases. So, in the end, I think the result is going to be that these protests help elect Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

DP.

Actually, most of the polls suggest that most "neutral people" (a) want a ceasefire, but (b) are generally are more sympathetic to Israel than to Palestinians.

So, yeah, the PP's son is entirely typical, I'd say.

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Absolutely disgusting that Jewish students are being denied their education simply because of their religious beliefs.

As a Jewish person, and as someone with many Jewish friends, we are all so scared right now with the aggressive, at times violent, protests calling for the dissolution of Israel “from the river to the sea,” and often celebrating Hamas and other terrorist organizations openly.

We, as a nation, need to set a reasonable line. Most of these kids are just college students who want to better their lives. They do not deserve to be screamed at and called a “Zionist” because they believe Israel has the right to exist, or to be told that their cousin is committing genocide because they are proudly serving in the IDF. These colleges need to figure out how they can respect student protesters’ rights while also protecting their Jewish students who have the exact same rights to participate in their educational services as any other student, without feeling like they are risking their lives every time they are walking into campus.

Let’s be real. These kids are not risking their lives for walking around on campus. It’s wild to even suggest that. If they are being verbally harassed, that’s not cool but I have not heard of one person who has been in legitimate physical danger where they could have lost their lives. When people are literally being slaughtered in Gaza and are so very unsafe , this centering is so grotesque and incredibly narcissistic.

"Zionists don't deserve to live... Be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists."

-Khymani James

Spokesperson for Columbia’s anti-Israel student group Apartheid Divest

Let's get real: if these protesters were protesting against DEI and were talking about killing URMs and meeting with violent white power organizations (as Columbia students met with a PFLP terrorist)?

The left would be FLIPPING OUT. And rightly so.

Time to look in the mirror.

If you’re quoting a very small minority of the protestors, try harder. People spew crazy crap all the time and it doesn’t make other people physically UNSAFE. Let’s get real.

I absolutely believe that most of the protesters are peaceful.

However, we've now seen literally hundreds examples of support for violence or threats of violence.

Again, if the shoe were on the other foot, the left would ABSOLUTELY be screaming bloody murder.

So, let's agree on a consistent approach here. Two choices:

1. We agree that protests involving significant quantities of violent rhetoric are a real danger, or

2. We allow such protests to proceed without canceling, regardless of political position?

Which approach do you prefer?

New poster, but I dramatically prefer the 2nd approach. This is a fundamental freedom that sets the US apart. Free speech means sometimes offensive speech.

PP here. Agreed re: public protests.

Would you apply the same rule at private universities? Should mostly peaceful protests that involve some support for/calls for violence be allowed?

I'd say no in these circumstances, but it's a close call for me.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

DP.

Actually, most of the polls suggest that most "neutral people" (a) want a ceasefire, but (b) are generally are more sympathetic to Israel than to Palestinians.

So, yeah, the PP's son is entirely typical, I'd say.

You should learn (A) how polling is conducted, and (B) how racism in this country didn’t just magically evaporate into the air once the Gettysburg Address was made. Your view of poll results would differ a bit from where it stands presently, I’d wager.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

DP.

Actually, most of the polls suggest that most "neutral people" (a) want a ceasefire, but (b) are generally are more sympathetic to Israel than to Palestinians.

So, yeah, the PP's son is entirely typical, I'd say.

You should learn (A) how polling is conducted, and (B) how racism in this country didn’t just magically evaporate into the air once the Gettysburg Address was made. Your view of poll results would differ a bit from where it stands presently, I’d wager.

My brown daughters would say that your post should offend me, but I'll let you slide this time.

My Cal stats professor won't be so forgiving.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

DP.

Actually, most of the polls suggest that most "neutral people" (a) want a ceasefire, but (b) are generally are more sympathetic to Israel than to Palestinians.

So, yeah, the PP's son is entirely typical, I'd say.

You should learn (A) how polling is conducted, and (B) how racism in this country didn’t just magically evaporate into the air once the Gettysburg Address was made. Your view of poll results would differ a bit from where it stands presently, I’d wager.

My brown daughters would say that your post should offend me, but I'll let you slide this time.

My Cal stats professor won't be so forgiving.

Ha! Touché, I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

I’ve never argued that Israel should have been restrained from responding at all.

However, the extent and depth to which they have sunk in responding is so far past acceptable to humanity at this point, I’d have a hard time establishing a limit to what YOU should be expecting by way of response from Palestinians after the past nearly seven months of clearly genocidal actions taken by Israel.

Honestly, I would have a hard time sleeping at night or sending my child out into the world unaccompanied after what Israel has done. It was well past bad enough, the past 100+ years of Zionist terrorism. But the past seven months will lead to a whole new level of problems down the road. And I suppose that’s anticipated and welcomed by Bibi, Joe and our defense contractors.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

I’ve never argued that Israel should have been restrained from responding at all.

However, the extent and depth to which they have sunk in responding is so far past acceptable to humanity at this point, I’d have a hard time establishing a limit to what YOU should be expecting by way of response from Palestinians after the past nearly seven months of clearly genocidal actions taken by Israel.

Honestly, I would have a hard time sleeping at night or sending my child out into the world unaccompanied after what Israel has done. It was well past bad enough, the past 100+ years of Zionist terrorism. But the past seven months will lead to a whole new level of problems down the road. And I suppose that’s anticipated and welcomed by Bibi, Joe and our defense contractors.

Dude, I’m not defending Israel. I’m just saying that your position is extreme and generally not supported by Americans outside of the extreme left. And that’s why these protests aren’t resonating widely.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

I’ve never argued that Israel should have been restrained from responding at all.

However, the extent and depth to which they have sunk in responding is so far past acceptable to humanity at this point, I’d have a hard time establishing a limit to what YOU should be expecting by way of response from Palestinians after the past nearly seven months of clearly genocidal actions taken by Israel.

Honestly, I would have a hard time sleeping at night or sending my child out into the world unaccompanied after what Israel has done. It was well past bad enough, the past 100+ years of Zionist terrorism. But the past seven months will lead to a whole new level of problems down the road. And I suppose that’s anticipated and welcomed by Bibi, Joe and our defense contractors.

DP. Ah. Now we see who you truly are. Curious - but not unexpected - that you simply ignore the decades of terrorist attacks from Hamas onto Israel. Every conflict was started by Hamas terrorism. But, you knew that.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-israel-history-confrontation-2021-05-14/

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Anonymous wrote:So what's up with all these protestors wearing facemasks or scarves? They are outdoors and Covid numbers are pretty much non-existent (not like college students care about it anyways). They are all wearing masks for one reason - to hide their identity. What a bunch of hypocrites. If they believed in their cause so much, why not show your face?

I think they’re cowards. While I have mixed feelings about the protests, I think the people who show their faces have more legitimacy in my eyes than the cowards who hide behind masks.

She says from behind her keyboard supporting genocide. Gotcha.

and what’s your first name and last name? Would you like to post your picture?

Hamas could have stopped this long time ago by returning the hostages. I see a lot of blame towards Israel, but none towards Hamas.

I am also not the one out there, protesting for what I believe in. If I would, I would not have my face covered.

Exactly. No demands against Hamas, no condemnation of them, no demands to return the hostages Hamas seized. So it’s very clear these are Hamas supporters.

I’m confused…. Are these university endowment funds invested in Hamas? Is the US government providing weapons of war to Hamas? What could the kids possible demand of their universities in regards to Hamas? They’ve already been sanctioned to oblivion and everyone doesn’t even have food now…

You are confused. Universities are absolutely funding, supporting, and enabling Hamas. Any protester seriously interested in peace should be calling for the following, at a minimum:

1. Fire faculty members who explicitly support and propagandize on behalf of Hamas (multiple examples; remember the prof who was "exhilarated" by 10/7).

2. Expel students who meet with Hamas affiliates to coordinate propaganda efforts. See the Columbia student leaders who met with PFLP terrorist.

3. Defund and remove recognition from student groups that explicitly support Hamas. See Harvard organizations who issued statement post 10/7, among others.

Oh, if only we could allow Zionists to call even more shots on U.S. soil.

Sorry, thought you wanted a serious answer to your question about how universities are supporting Hamas. Didn't realize you just wanted to engage in name-calling.

Let's do it your way. Terrorist.

You're not even talking to the same person. I was the person who originally asked the question. That was some other guy (and seemingly a few others who think you are a bit lost).

This is the USA. Free speech is allowed and encouraged.

It is UNACCEPTABLE to demand Americans lose their job over their stance on a political issue. WE HAVE A BILL OF RIGHTS to protect us for that very reason...

I think you need a basic refresher on the Bill of Rights. Do a bit of research and circle back.

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