USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

I’ve never argued that Israel should have been restrained from responding at all.

However, the extent and depth to which they have sunk in responding is so far past acceptable to humanity at this point, I’d have a hard time establishing a limit to what YOU should be expecting by way of response from Palestinians after the past nearly seven months of clearly genocidal actions taken by Israel.

Honestly, I would have a hard time sleeping at night or sending my child out into the world unaccompanied after what Israel has done. It was well past bad enough, the past 100+ years of Zionist terrorism. But the past seven months will lead to a whole new level of problems down the road. And I suppose that’s anticipated and welcomed by Bibi, Joe and our defense contractors.

Dude, I’m not defending Israel. I’m just saying that your position is extreme and generally not supported by Americans outside of the extreme left. And that’s why these protests aren’t resonating widely.

DP

What part is extreme?

Expecting Israel to act like a nation instead of like a hit squad?

Please, regale us with the extreme part of that post. I eagerly await a reply!

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Anonymous wrote:So what's up with all these protestors wearing facemasks or scarves? They are outdoors and Covid numbers are pretty much non-existent (not like college students care about it anyways). They are all wearing masks for one reason - to hide their identity. What a bunch of hypocrites. If they believed in their cause so much, why not show your face?

I think they’re cowards. While I have mixed feelings about the protests, I think the people who show their faces have more legitimacy in my eyes than the cowards who hide behind masks.

She says from behind her keyboard supporting genocide. Gotcha.

and what’s your first name and last name? Would you like to post your picture?

Hamas could have stopped this long time ago by returning the hostages. I see a lot of blame towards Israel, but none towards Hamas.

I am also not the one out there, protesting for what I believe in. If I would, I would not have my face covered.

Exactly. No demands against Hamas, no condemnation of them, no demands to return the hostages Hamas seized. So it’s very clear these are Hamas supporters.

I’m confused…. Are these university endowment funds invested in Hamas? Is the US government providing weapons of war to Hamas? What could the kids possible demand of their universities in regards to Hamas? They’ve already been sanctioned to oblivion and everyone doesn’t even have food now…

You are confused. Universities are absolutely funding, supporting, and enabling Hamas. Any protester seriously interested in peace should be calling for the following, at a minimum:

1. Fire faculty members who explicitly support and propagandize on behalf of Hamas (multiple examples; remember the prof who was "exhilarated" by 10/7).

2. Expel students who meet with Hamas affiliates to coordinate propaganda efforts. See the Columbia student leaders who met with PFLP terrorist.

3. Defund and remove recognition from student groups that explicitly support Hamas. See Harvard organizations who issued statement post 10/7, among others.

Oh, if only we could allow Zionists to call even more shots on U.S. soil.

Sorry, thought you wanted a serious answer to your question about how universities are supporting Hamas. Didn't realize you just wanted to engage in name-calling.

Let's do it your way. Terrorist.

You're not even talking to the same person. I was the person who originally asked the question. That was some other guy (and seemingly a few others who think you are a bit lost).

This is the USA. Free speech is allowed and encouraged.

It is UNACCEPTABLE to demand Americans lose their job over their stance on a political issue. WE HAVE A BILL OF RIGHTS to protect us for that very reason...

I think you need a basic refresher on the Bill of Rights. Do a bit of research and circle back.

+1

+2. Truly astonishing the number of people who have no clue what that means.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

I’ve never argued that Israel should have been restrained from responding at all.

However, the extent and depth to which they have sunk in responding is so far past acceptable to humanity at this point, I’d have a hard time establishing a limit to what YOU should be expecting by way of response from Palestinians after the past nearly seven months of clearly genocidal actions taken by Israel.

Honestly, I would have a hard time sleeping at night or sending my child out into the world unaccompanied after what Israel has done. It was well past bad enough, the past 100+ years of Zionist terrorism. But the past seven months will lead to a whole new level of problems down the road. And I suppose that’s anticipated and welcomed by Bibi, Joe and our defense contractors.

Dude, I’m not defending Israel. I’m just saying that your position is extreme and generally not supported by Americans outside of the extreme left. And that’s why these protests aren’t resonating widely.

DP

What part is extreme?

Expecting Israel to act like a nation instead of like a hit squad?

Please, regale us with the extreme part of that post. I eagerly await a reply!

The demand for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire (eg no discussion of or consideration of the hostages) is extreme. PP is taking the position that if you do not agree with that position, you should not go outside or something. I’m sorry, but that is just nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

I’ve never argued that Israel should have been restrained from responding at all.

However, the extent and depth to which they have sunk in responding is so far past acceptable to humanity at this point, I’d have a hard time establishing a limit to what YOU should be expecting by way of response from Palestinians after the past nearly seven months of clearly genocidal actions taken by Israel.

Honestly, I would have a hard time sleeping at night or sending my child out into the world unaccompanied after what Israel has done. It was well past bad enough, the past 100+ years of Zionist terrorism. But the past seven months will lead to a whole new level of problems down the road. And I suppose that’s anticipated and welcomed by Bibi, Joe and our defense contractors.

Dude, I’m not defending Israel. I’m just saying that your position is extreme and generally not supported by Americans outside of the extreme left. And that’s why these protests aren’t resonating widely.

DP

What part is extreme?

Expecting Israel to act like a nation instead of like a hit squad?

Please, regale us with the extreme part of that post. I eagerly await a reply!

The demand for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire (eg no discussion of or consideration of the hostages) is extreme. PP is taking the position that if you do not agree with that position, you should not go outside or something. I’m sorry, but that is just nuts.

The entire world, save Israel and Uncle Sam, is calling for an unconditional ceasefire! Are you literally insane?

Is the Pope extreme now, too?

Wtf is going on? It’s insanity how this is being treated like the people suffering are the sane people with control over the hostages? Again, are you literally insane to expect a return of the hostages, held by an armed group, as the price to be paid by innocent civilians being blown apart every day?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

I’ve never argued that Israel should have been restrained from responding at all.

However, the extent and depth to which they have sunk in responding is so far past acceptable to humanity at this point, I’d have a hard time establishing a limit to what YOU should be expecting by way of response from Palestinians after the past nearly seven months of clearly genocidal actions taken by Israel.

Honestly, I would have a hard time sleeping at night or sending my child out into the world unaccompanied after what Israel has done. It was well past bad enough, the past 100+ years of Zionist terrorism. But the past seven months will lead to a whole new level of problems down the road. And I suppose that’s anticipated and welcomed by Bibi, Joe and our defense contractors.

Dude, I’m not defending Israel. I’m just saying that your position is extreme and generally not supported by Americans outside of the extreme left. And that’s why these protests aren’t resonating widely.

DP

What part is extreme?

Expecting Israel to act like a nation instead of like a hit squad?

Please, regale us with the extreme part of that post. I eagerly await a reply!

The demand for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire (eg no discussion of or consideration of the hostages) is extreme. PP is taking the position that if you do not agree with that position, you should not go outside or something. I’m sorry, but that is just nuts.

If you stand by this position, please justify identify yourself with a random word or phrase of your choice, like maybe cuckoo or batshit crazy, so people can disregard what you have to say in the future.

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Did you see Emory university in Atlanta? Brutal. Is this overreaction? Looks that way to me.
But whatever your politics, some advice:
DO NOT try to interfere with officers making an arrest
and if you did (as the professor says) “act impulsively and poke an officer on the head”
you have a RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT…. DO NOT confess on camera….This professor isn’t very smart…

https://youtu.be/L5t5ldOX...ure=shared

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Anonymous wrote:Did you see Emory university in Atlanta? Brutal. Is this overreaction? Looks that way to me.
But whatever your politics, some advice:
DO NOT try to interfere with officers making an arrest
and if you did (as the professor says) “act impulsively and poke an officer on the head”
you have a RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT…. DO NOT confess on camera….This professor isn’t very smart…

https://youtu.be/L5t5ldOX...ure=shared

link: https://youtu.be/L5t5ldOXvwQ?feature=shared

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Yes, she pissed her pants. Literally.

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Absolutely disgusting that Jewish students are being denied their education simply because of their religious beliefs.

As a Jewish person, and as someone with many Jewish friends, we are all so scared right now with the aggressive, at times violent, protests calling for the dissolution of Israel “from the river to the sea,” and often celebrating Hamas and other terrorist organizations openly.

We, as a nation, need to set a reasonable line. Most of these kids are just college students who want to better their lives. They do not deserve to be screamed at and called a “Zionist” because they believe Israel has the right to exist, or to be told that their cousin is committing genocide because they are proudly serving in the IDF. These colleges need to figure out how they can respect student protesters’ rights while also protecting their Jewish students who have the exact same rights to participate in their educational services as any other student, without feeling like they are risking their lives every time they are walking into campus.

Let’s be real. These kids are not risking their lives for walking around on campus. It’s wild to even suggest that. If they are being verbally harassed, that’s not cool but I have not heard of one person who has been in legitimate physical danger where they could have lost their lives. When people are literally being slaughtered in Gaza and are so very unsafe , this centering is so grotesque and incredibly narcissistic.

"Zionists don't deserve to live... Be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists."

-Khymani James

Spokesperson for Columbia’s anti-Israel student group Apartheid Divest

Let's get real: if these protesters were protesting against DEI and were talking about killing URMs and meeting with violent white power organizations (as Columbia students met with a PFLP terrorist)?

The left would be FLIPPING OUT. And rightly so.

Time to look in the mirror.

If you’re quoting a very small minority of the protestors, try harder. People spew crazy crap all the time and it doesn’t make other people physically UNSAFE. Let’s get real.

DP. Try addressing what the PP said. If these threats had been made against any other group, you’d be outraged. But since he’s “only” threatening Jews, you’re a-ok with it. We all see how none of you have condemned this terrorist.

Zionists are not the same as Jews.

DP. Your hair-splitting doesn't matter. What you don't seem to grasp is that there are many of us without a dog in this fight who have long been angry about Jewish settlements, who loathe Netanyahu, who wish someone could force all these idiots to agree to a two-state solution and get the Israeli far-right and Hamas rot in hell. We also would never ever in a million years question Israel's right to exist. We find he chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" horrifying (oh and by the way, we're liberal).

This Khymani James person who has repeatedly said he would be happy to kill Zionists is an attention seeker with a long term plan of running for Congress. Hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin of his political aspirations

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Absolutely disgusting that Jewish students are being denied their education simply because of their religious beliefs.

As a Jewish person, and as someone with many Jewish friends, we are all so scared right now with the aggressive, at times violent, protests calling for the dissolution of Israel “from the river to the sea,” and often celebrating Hamas and other terrorist organizations openly.

We, as a nation, need to set a reasonable line. Most of these kids are just college students who want to better their lives. They do not deserve to be screamed at and called a “Zionist” because they believe Israel has the right to exist, or to be told that their cousin is committing genocide because they are proudly serving in the IDF. These colleges need to figure out how they can respect student protesters’ rights while also protecting their Jewish students who have the exact same rights to participate in their educational services as any other student, without feeling like they are risking their lives every time they are walking into campus.

Let’s be real. These kids are not risking their lives for walking around on campus. It’s wild to even suggest that. If they are being verbally harassed, that’s not cool but I have not heard of one person who has been in legitimate physical danger where they could have lost their lives. When people are literally being slaughtered in Gaza and are so very unsafe , this centering is so grotesque and incredibly narcissistic.

"Zionists don't deserve to live... Be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists."

-Khymani James

Spokesperson for Columbia’s anti-Israel student group Apartheid Divest

Let's get real: if these protesters were protesting against DEI and were talking about killing URMs and meeting with violent white power organizations (as Columbia students met with a PFLP terrorist)?

The left would be FLIPPING OUT. And rightly so.

Time to look in the mirror.

If you’re quoting a very small minority of the protestors, try harder. People spew crazy crap all the time and it doesn’t make other people physically UNSAFE. Let’s get real.

DP. Try addressing what the PP said. If these threats had been made against any other group, you’d be outraged. But since he’s “only” threatening Jews, you’re a-ok with it. We all see how none of you have condemned this terrorist.

Zionists are not the same as Jews.

DP. Your hair-splitting doesn't matter. What you don't seem to grasp is that there are many of us without a dog in this fight who have long been angry about Jewish settlements, who loathe Netanyahu, who wish someone could force all these idiots to agree to a two-state solution and get the Israeli far-right and Hamas rot in hell. We also would never ever in a million years question Israel's right to exist. We find he chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" horrifying (oh and by the way, we're liberal).

This Khymani James person who has repeatedly said he would be happy to kill Zionists is an attention seeker with a long term plan of running for Congress. Hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin of his political aspirations

+1, agree with all of this. I also think James should be suspended or expelled; Columbia students deserve to have a campus free of people calling for their death.

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Absolutely disgusting that Jewish students are being denied their education simply because of their religious beliefs.

As a Jewish person, and as someone with many Jewish friends, we are all so scared right now with the aggressive, at times violent, protests calling for the dissolution of Israel “from the river to the sea,” and often celebrating Hamas and other terrorist organizations openly.

We, as a nation, need to set a reasonable line. Most of these kids are just college students who want to better their lives. They do not deserve to be screamed at and called a “Zionist” because they believe Israel has the right to exist, or to be told that their cousin is committing genocide because they are proudly serving in the IDF. These colleges need to figure out how they can respect student protesters’ rights while also protecting their Jewish students who have the exact same rights to participate in their educational services as any other student, without feeling like they are risking their lives every time they are walking into campus.

Let’s be real. These kids are not risking their lives for walking around on campus. It’s wild to even suggest that. If they are being verbally harassed, that’s not cool but I have not heard of one person who has been in legitimate physical danger where they could have lost their lives. When people are literally being slaughtered in Gaza and are so very unsafe , this centering is so grotesque and incredibly narcissistic.

"Zionists don't deserve to live... Be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists."

-Khymani James

Spokesperson for Columbia’s anti-Israel student group Apartheid Divest

Let's get real: if these protesters were protesting against DEI and were talking about killing URMs and meeting with violent white power organizations (as Columbia students met with a PFLP terrorist)?

The left would be FLIPPING OUT. And rightly so.

Time to look in the mirror.

If you’re quoting a very small minority of the protestors, try harder. People spew crazy crap all the time and it doesn’t make other people physically UNSAFE. Let’s get real.

DP. Try addressing what the PP said. If these threats had been made against any other group, you’d be outraged. But since he’s “only” threatening Jews, you’re a-ok with it. We all see how none of you have condemned this terrorist.

Zionists are not the same as Jews.

DP. Your hair-splitting doesn't matter. What you don't seem to grasp is that there are many of us without a dog in this fight who have long been angry about Jewish settlements, who loathe Netanyahu, who wish someone could force all these idiots to agree to a two-state solution and get the Israeli far-right and Hamas rot in hell. We also would never ever in a million years question Israel's right to exist. We find he chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" horrifying (oh and by the way, we're liberal).

This Khymani James person who has repeatedly said he would be happy to kill Zionists is an attention seeker with a long term plan of running for Congress. Hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin of his political aspirations

+1, agree with all of this. I also think James should be suspended or expelled; Columbia students deserve to have a campus free of people calling for their death.

He just got expelled. Good riddance.

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Absolutely disgusting that Jewish students are being denied their education simply because of their religious beliefs.

As a Jewish person, and as someone with many Jewish friends, we are all so scared right now with the aggressive, at times violent, protests calling for the dissolution of Israel “from the river to the sea,” and often celebrating Hamas and other terrorist organizations openly.

We, as a nation, need to set a reasonable line. Most of these kids are just college students who want to better their lives. They do not deserve to be screamed at and called a “Zionist” because they believe Israel has the right to exist, or to be told that their cousin is committing genocide because they are proudly serving in the IDF. These colleges need to figure out how they can respect student protesters’ rights while also protecting their Jewish students who have the exact same rights to participate in their educational services as any other student, without feeling like they are risking their lives every time they are walking into campus.

Let’s be real. These kids are not risking their lives for walking around on campus. It’s wild to even suggest that. If they are being verbally harassed, that’s not cool but I have not heard of one person who has been in legitimate physical danger where they could have lost their lives. When people are literally being slaughtered in Gaza and are so very unsafe , this centering is so grotesque and incredibly narcissistic.

"Zionists don't deserve to live... Be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists."

-Khymani James

Spokesperson for Columbia’s anti-Israel student group Apartheid Divest

Let's get real: if these protesters were protesting against DEI and were talking about killing URMs and meeting with violent white power organizations (as Columbia students met with a PFLP terrorist)?

The left would be FLIPPING OUT. And rightly so.

Time to look in the mirror.

If you’re quoting a very small minority of the protestors, try harder. People spew crazy crap all the time and it doesn’t make other people physically UNSAFE. Let’s get real.

DP. Try addressing what the PP said. If these threats had been made against any other group, you’d be outraged. But since he’s “only” threatening Jews, you’re a-ok with it. We all see how none of you have condemned this terrorist.

Zionists are not the same as Jews.

DP. Your hair-splitting doesn't matter. What you don't seem to grasp is that there are many of us without a dog in this fight who have long been angry about Jewish settlements, who loathe Netanyahu, who wish someone could force all these idiots to agree to a two-state solution and get the Israeli far-right and Hamas rot in hell. We also would never ever in a million years question Israel's right to exist. We find he chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" horrifying (oh and by the way, we're liberal).

This Khymani James person who has repeatedly said he would be happy to kill Zionists is an attention seeker with a long term plan of running for Congress. Hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin of his political aspirations

+1, agree with all of this. I also think James should be suspended or expelled; Columbia students deserve to have a campus free of people calling for their death.

Think I’m probably one of the most critical of Israel posters here, and I agree with all of that, too, and applaud that student’s expulsion. Protesting and taking strong positions on moral grounds is fine. Talking about harming or killing innocent people is well beyond too far.

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Absolutely disgusting that Jewish students are being denied their education simply because of their religious beliefs.

As a Jewish person, and as someone with many Jewish friends, we are all so scared right now with the aggressive, at times violent, protests calling for the dissolution of Israel “from the river to the sea,” and often celebrating Hamas and other terrorist organizations openly.

We, as a nation, need to set a reasonable line. Most of these kids are just college students who want to better their lives. They do not deserve to be screamed at and called a “Zionist” because they believe Israel has the right to exist, or to be told that their cousin is committing genocide because they are proudly serving in the IDF. These colleges need to figure out how they can respect student protesters’ rights while also protecting their Jewish students who have the exact same rights to participate in their educational services as any other student, without feeling like they are risking their lives every time they are walking into campus.

Let’s be real. These kids are not risking their lives for walking around on campus. It’s wild to even suggest that. If they are being verbally harassed, that’s not cool but I have not heard of one person who has been in legitimate physical danger where they could have lost their lives. When people are literally being slaughtered in Gaza and are so very unsafe , this centering is so grotesque and incredibly narcissistic.

"Zionists don't deserve to live... Be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists."

-Khymani James

Spokesperson for Columbia’s anti-Israel student group Apartheid Divest

Let's get real: if these protesters were protesting against DEI and were talking about killing URMs and meeting with violent white power organizations (as Columbia students met with a PFLP terrorist)?

The left would be FLIPPING OUT. And rightly so.

Time to look in the mirror.

If you’re quoting a very small minority of the protestors, try harder. People spew crazy crap all the time and it doesn’t make other people physically UNSAFE. Let’s get real.

DP. Try addressing what the PP said. If these threats had been made against any other group, you’d be outraged. But since he’s “only” threatening Jews, you’re a-ok with it. We all see how none of you have condemned this terrorist.

Zionists are not the same as Jews.

DP. Your hair-splitting doesn't matter. What you don't seem to grasp is that there are many of us without a dog in this fight who have long been angry about Jewish settlements, who loathe Netanyahu, who wish someone could force all these idiots to agree to a two-state solution and get the Israeli far-right and Hamas rot in hell. We also would never ever in a million years question Israel's right to exist. We find he chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" horrifying (oh and by the way, we're liberal).

This Khymani James person who has repeatedly said he would be happy to kill Zionists is an attention seeker with a long term plan of running for Congress. Hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin of his political aspirations

+1, agree with all of this. I also think James should be suspended or expelled; Columbia students deserve to have a campus free of people calling for their death.

He just got expelled. Good riddance.

You must have that good information stuff because it’s apparently not even been disclosed to the media yet.

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Absolutely disgusting that Jewish students are being denied their education simply because of their religious beliefs.

As a Jewish person, and as someone with many Jewish friends, we are all so scared right now with the aggressive, at times violent, protests calling for the dissolution of Israel “from the river to the sea,” and often celebrating Hamas and other terrorist organizations openly.

We, as a nation, need to set a reasonable line. Most of these kids are just college students who want to better their lives. They do not deserve to be screamed at and called a “Zionist” because they believe Israel has the right to exist, or to be told that their cousin is committing genocide because they are proudly serving in the IDF. These colleges need to figure out how they can respect student protesters’ rights while also protecting their Jewish students who have the exact same rights to participate in their educational services as any other student, without feeling like they are risking their lives every time they are walking into campus.

Let’s be real. These kids are not risking their lives for walking around on campus. It’s wild to even suggest that. If they are being verbally harassed, that’s not cool but I have not heard of one person who has been in legitimate physical danger where they could have lost their lives. When people are literally being slaughtered in Gaza and are so very unsafe , this centering is so grotesque and incredibly narcissistic.

"Zionists don't deserve to live... Be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists."

-Khymani James

Spokesperson for Columbia’s anti-Israel student group Apartheid Divest

Let's get real: if these protesters were protesting against DEI and were talking about killing URMs and meeting with violent white power organizations (as Columbia students met with a PFLP terrorist)?

The left would be FLIPPING OUT. And rightly so.

Time to look in the mirror.

If you’re quoting a very small minority of the protestors, try harder. People spew crazy crap all the time and it doesn’t make other people physically UNSAFE. Let’s get real.

DP. Try addressing what the PP said. If these threats had been made against any other group, you’d be outraged. But since he’s “only” threatening Jews, you’re a-ok with it. We all see how none of you have condemned this terrorist.

Zionists are not the same as Jews.

DP. Your hair-splitting doesn't matter. What you don't seem to grasp is that there are many of us without a dog in this fight who have long been angry about Jewish settlements, who loathe Netanyahu, who wish someone could force all these idiots to agree to a two-state solution and get the Israeli far-right and Hamas rot in hell. We also would never ever in a million years question Israel's right to exist. We find he chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" horrifying (oh and by the way, we're liberal).

This Khymani James person who has repeatedly said he would be happy to kill Zionists is an attention seeker with a long term plan of running for Congress. Hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin of his political aspirations

+1, agree with all of this. I also think James should be suspended or expelled; Columbia students deserve to have a campus free of people calling for their death.

He just got expelled. Good riddance.

You must have that good information stuff because it’s apparently not even been disclosed to the media yet.

It’s all over X. Twitter.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind, for perspective, is that a vast majority of college students are likely to have views that are quite different from the protestors.

I have a kid at one of the Ivies where the protests are occurring. According to him, none among his large group of friends and anyone else he knows personally would dream of join these protestors, who they see as the radical types - a tiny but loud and habitually aggrieved minority on campus who happen to protest a lot and take extreme positions on every issue. It's also common knowledge that the protests include a large number of outside agitators, especially if the campus is in a big city.

My son says that he would join a peace vigil, as he and his friends did the day after Oct 7. He also thinks if there were a gathering of students where they clearly call for peace on all sides - Israel to stop bombing, Hamas to release all the hostages, and both sides to pledge a commitment to co-existence and take steps toward that, he and all his friends would join. To be clear, these are mostly liberals and moderates, not Trumpies. They just might be the silent majority who want the war to end, but do not blame one side for it exclusively and are disgusted by Hamas and the Israeli far-right including Bibi.

They also think it's genuinely asinine to ask universities to stop academic partnerships with Israeli universities, which includes research on things that are important for human progress. One of his pals, who has been to one of these universities for research in an area of medical science, thinks that demand just by itself removes any claim to seriousness of these protests. This student also points out that the universities are the bastions of liberal and progressive movements in Israel, and students there would find it demoralizing that the so-called "left" here is screaming for their colleges to sever connections with them.

This is great and all, but I’ve never seen a single person not already irrevocably committed to Israel’s interests playing the “I’m disgusted with Bono, too!” card.

It would be nice if people disclosed their obvious bias, that’s all. Nobody neutral or opposed to the outrageous ethos of Zionism feels the way your son and his friends appear to. Neutral people, insofar as they are also civilized, want a ceasefire now, and without condition. Those opposed to the harm caused by Zionism obviously feel the same way.

It’s only those who are already elbow deep in support for Israel who think it’s cute to argue over conditions to a ceasefire while innocent women and children are dying every single day.

Well, then, you will have to take the position that the majority of Americans disagree with you. Your position is both polarized and radical, and most Americans don’t agree.

The reality is that even many Americans who want to cut support for Israel entirely don’t really have too much problem with Israel responding to Oct. 7th. Arguing that Israel shouldn’t respond at all to Oct. 7th just isn’t a very strongly held position outside of radical progressive circles.

Who said anything about not responding at all? What a straw man pile of garbage.

That seems to be the position held by progressives at this point. I’ve never hear a clear elucidation of what they view a permitted response to be.

I’ve never argued that Israel should have been restrained from responding at all.

However, the extent and depth to which they have sunk in responding is so far past acceptable to humanity at this point, I’d have a hard time establishing a limit to what YOU should be expecting by way of response from Palestinians after the past nearly seven months of clearly genocidal actions taken by Israel.

Honestly, I would have a hard time sleeping at night or sending my child out into the world unaccompanied after what Israel has done. It was well past bad enough, the past 100+ years of Zionist terrorism. But the past seven months will lead to a whole new level of problems down the road. And I suppose that’s anticipated and welcomed by Bibi, Joe and our defense contractors.

Dude, I’m not defending Israel. I’m just saying that your position is extreme and generally not supported by Americans outside of the extreme left. And that’s why these protests aren’t resonating widely.

DP

What part is extreme?

Expecting Israel to act like a nation instead of like a hit squad?

Please, regale us with the extreme part of that post. I eagerly await a reply!

The demand for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire (eg no discussion of or consideration of the hostages) is extreme. PP is taking the position that if you do not agree with that position, you should not go outside or something. I’m sorry, but that is just nuts.

The entire world, save Israel and Uncle Sam, is calling for an unconditional ceasefire! Are you literally insane?

Is the Pope extreme now, too?

Wtf is going on? It’s insanity how this is being treated like the people suffering are the sane people with control over the hostages? Again, are you literally insane to expect a return of the hostages, held by an armed group, as the price to be paid by innocent civilians being blown apart every day?

Israel does not care about the hostages. It revived the Hannibal doctrine and tried to kill as many as it could while they were being taken into Gaza.

It rejected a hostage release in exchange for no Gaza ground invasion.

It indiscriminately bombed and flattened Gaza, rendering the hostages lives meaningless.

The hostages are nothing more than a useful piece of propaganda to these butchers. To Israel, dead Jews are more valuable than alive ones.