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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

No he said he knew about the line (eg she had joked/sang it in private) but was shocked she actually sang it at the concert.

A couple of the blind sites have said it was actually way too much for him and he's already thinking of how to make an exit that won't get him stalked and threatened by the mega Taytay fans. She doesn't need to try so hard.

What is a blind site?

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

This is true. She has worked hard on her craft but she’s not an outstanding vocalist.

I do think she is an outstanding songwriter and performer.

One of her many strengths is that she writes her own songs, fosters collaborations with talented musicians, and doesn’t depend upon on songwriters.

It also helps she doesn’t have a crazy family like Britney and appears overall nice and talented unlike Justin Timberlake.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

No he said he knew about the line (eg she had joked/sang it in private) but was shocked she actually sang it at the concert.

A couple of the blind sites have said it was actually way too much for him and he's already thinking of how to make an exit that won't get him stalked and threatened by the mega Taytay fans. She doesn't need to try so hard.

What is a blind site?

NP. Blind gossip sites. It’s basically just anonymous hearsay about celebrities, and usually completely fake.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

I think yes. But I don’t think her music career will be as prolific in the coming decades. She’s mastered it. She’s “won” so to speak, she owns all her own music now. I think her fan base and listenership will have a lot of longevity too. I hope she puts out a pure rock record at some point so I’ll be waiting for that.

I personally think she will take a lengthy break after this to start a family even though I hope it’s not with Travis Kelce but whatever, they’ll be gorgeous talented Amazonian babies. Why else would she do an Eras tour of all her music if it wasn’t a victory lap to deliver a sense of culmination and finality? She could have had just as much success touring Evermore, Folklore, and Midnight Rain alone.

But she’s definitely not going to sit around and do nothing and have a quiet life out of the public eye. She’s a workaholic and extremely competitive but also always wants to do something bigger and better than she did before. So I think she’ll have a few kids then move into directing or producing feature length films or start her own record label or something. I don’t know exactly, but I imagine she wants to expand to a true empire and become some kind of mogul kind of like Oprah. Not sure if that’s the right word but hopefully you get what I mean.

I might be 110% wrong though. She’s certainly unpredictable.

I wonder this too. I can’t predict. I pile see her stopping bc of a major life change, like marriage or kids or her mom dying. Or those could drive her creativity. I don’t know. She doesn’t need the money and she doesn’t always enjoy the attention. I think she has some goals she would still like to accomplish in terms of awards and recognition from other artists.

I agree.

She wants more Grammy awards and to beat all the past records including
Beyoncé and the guy who received the most.

Taylor structures her releases to gain the highest number of Grammy awards she can. While others have one album and maybe get one nod, Taylor will have two albums and multiple additional tracks out and get seven nods.

Someone on her team likely calculates this all.

Yes, she is highly invested in the Grammy hunt and strategies accordingly. I admire she is humble and honest enough to admit she cares about awards.

Same. I’m glad she’s honest that she loves the awards. We don’t have awards in my field and I was thinking how nice it is to receive them!

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

No he said he knew about the line (eg she had joked/sang it in private) but was shocked she actually sang it at the concert.

A couple of the blind sites have said it was actually way too much for him and he's already thinking of how to make an exit that won't get him stalked and threatened by the mega Taytay fans. She doesn't need to try so hard.

Deux says the opposite. Not blinds from sources.

What does Deux say?

They are all in and will be engaged next year. They both want to start a family soon.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

+1 also times were different for these artists. Fewer artists are getting through and the ones who are have to be mainstream and good at marketing to make enough. It is like the economy now- the ones who make it make it bigger and the rest of us are barely getting by. Big marketing is ruining creativity in the music industry. Taylor is big money.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

+1 also times were different for these artists. Fewer artists are getting through and the ones who are have to be mainstream and good at marketing to make enough. It is like the economy now- the ones who make it make it bigger and the rest of us are barely getting by. Big marketing is ruining creativity in the music industry. Taylor is big money.

Yeah yeah yeah. I read that article too.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

+1 also times were different for these artists. Fewer artists are getting through and the ones who are have to be mainstream and good at marketing to make enough. It is like the economy now- the ones who make it make it bigger and the rest of us are barely getting by. Big marketing is ruining creativity in the music industry. Taylor is big money.

Yeah yeah yeah. I read that article too.

It’s actually the opposite… It’s actually a lot harder now to make money off of music. It used to be that a few elite companies decided what we would hear on the radio, how often we would hear it, and who we would hear. If you were lucky enough to be picked, you were pretty much set .

Now it’s much more democratized with the Internet… Making it easier in some ways to get your stuff out there but also a lot harder because there’s a lot more noise and because there aren’t a few companies deciding. It’s also hell of a lot harder to actually sell albums these days.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So basically you are saying any artist can do what Taylor does if they are super talented, keep it together mentally and don't let fame and money go their head, work incredibly hard and stay committed, be talented and hard working enough to attract the best teams to help put their natural instincts forward and be strategic about it, and have the ability to geniunely connect with fans year after year.

It's super easy, got it.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So basically you are saying any artist can do what Taylor does if they are super talented, keep it together mentally and don't let fame and money go their head, work incredibly hard and stay committed, be talented and hard working enough to attract the best teams to help put their natural instincts forward and be strategic about it, and have the ability to geniunely connect with fans year after year.

It's super easy, got it.

She isn’t genuinely connecting with you. (She doesn’t really know you.) and yeah to the rest.

A bunch of it is luck and having the right people. There is a reason why so many of scooters artists did well and it wasn’t all talent. He is horrible but he did get results. Her dad was smart to sign her with him from a career standpoint. (Maybe not mental health wise?)

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So basically you are saying any artist can do what Taylor does if they are super talented, keep it together mentally and don't let fame and money go their head, work incredibly hard and stay committed, be talented and hard working enough to attract the best teams to help put their natural instincts forward and be strategic about it, and have the ability to geniunely connect with fans year after year.

It's super easy, got it.

She isn’t genuinely connecting with you. (She doesn’t really know you.) and yeah to the rest.

A bunch of it is luck and having the right people. There is a reason why so many of scooters artists did well and it wasn’t all talent. He is horrible but he did get results. Her dad was smart to sign her with him from a career standpoint. (Maybe not mental health wise?)

Cut the condescending crap. I wasn't talking about me.

It's actually okay for people to listen to an artist's music and feel connected, or go to a live concert and feel like you are connecting to something larger.

But go ahead and twist yourself into a pretzel trying to downplay someone else's success or talents.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So basically you are saying any artist can do what Taylor does if they are super talented, keep it together mentally and don't let fame and money go their head, work incredibly hard and stay committed, be talented and hard working enough to attract the best teams to help put their natural instincts forward and be strategic about it, and have the ability to geniunely connect with fans year after year.

It's super easy, got it.

She isn’t genuinely connecting with you. (She doesn’t really know you.) and yeah to the rest.

A bunch of it is luck and having the right people. There is a reason why so many of scooters artists did well and it wasn’t all talent. He is horrible but he did get results. Her dad was smart to sign her with him from a career standpoint. (Maybe not mental health wise?)

Cut the condescending crap. I wasn't talking about me.

It's actually okay for people to listen to an artist's music and feel connected, or go to a live concert and feel like you are connecting to something larger.

But go ahead and twist yourself into a pretzel trying to downplay someone else's success or talents.

sure but fans get that from all
Music. iit is music that builds community: any music Teacher or preacher can tell you that.

That doesn’t make u connected to the musician on insta or that musician stalks you unless you are marketing taylor swift. She capitalized on that.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So basically you are saying any artist can do what Taylor does if they are super talented, keep it together mentally and don't let fame and money go their head, work incredibly hard and stay committed, be talented and hard working enough to attract the best teams to help put their natural instincts forward and be strategic about it, and have the ability to geniunely connect with fans year after year.

It's super easy, got it.

She isn’t genuinely connecting with you. (She doesn’t really know you.) and yeah to the rest.

A bunch of it is luck and having the right people. There is a reason why so many of scooters artists did well and it wasn’t all talent. He is horrible but he did get results. Her dad was smart to sign her with him from a career standpoint. (Maybe not mental health wise?)

Cut the condescending crap. I wasn't talking about me.

It's actually okay for people to listen to an artist's music and feel connected, or go to a live concert and feel like you are connecting to something larger.

But go ahead and twist yourself into a pretzel trying to downplay someone else's success or talents.

sure but fans get that from all
Music. iit is music that builds community: any music Teacher or preacher can tell you that.

That doesn’t make u connected to the musician on insta or that musician stalks you unless you are marketing taylor swift. She capitalized on that.

Who cares? Why is that bad…. Seems like a win-win for her, her team, and the fans. Reading this thread makes it seem like inherently bad or evil.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So basically you are saying any artist can do what Taylor does if they are super talented, keep it together mentally and don't let fame and money go their head, work incredibly hard and stay committed, be talented and hard working enough to attract the best teams to help put their natural instincts forward and be strategic about it, and have the ability to geniunely connect with fans year after year.

It's super easy, got it.

She isn’t genuinely connecting with you. (She doesn’t really know you.) and yeah to the rest.

A bunch of it is luck and having the right people. There is a reason why so many of scooters artists did well and it wasn’t all talent. He is horrible but he did get results. Her dad was smart to sign her with him from a career standpoint. (Maybe not mental health wise?)

Cut the condescending crap. I wasn't talking about me.

It's actually okay for people to listen to an artist's music and feel connected, or go to a live concert and feel like you are connecting to something larger.

But go ahead and twist yourself into a pretzel trying to downplay someone else's success or talents.

sure but fans get that from all
Music. iit is music that builds community: any music Teacher or preacher can tell you that.

That doesn’t make u connected to the musician on insta or that musician stalks you unless you are marketing taylor swift. She capitalized on that.

If that was easy to accomplish they would all be doing it. It’s not a secret. She’s out there doing it, and no one else can come close. It’s not a secret, but it sure is a mystery.