Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

No he said he knew about the line (eg she had joked/sang it in private) but was shocked she actually sang it at the concert.

A couple of the blind sites have said it was actually way too much for him and he's already thinking of how to make an exit that won't get him stalked and threatened by the mega Taytay fans. She doesn't need to try so hard.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the parents are all going to meet. I think it’s a serious relationship but definitely if that happens. You may orchestrate some PR relationship (I fully get those happen), you just don’t involve your family.

I also don’t think you can fake the way he’s acting and how he looks at her and vice versa. I also don’t understand the point. What’s the motivation for either of them to fake a relationship when they can both find a new person easily.

lol, Swift's dad has been the ringleader of all of her stunts for like 20 years

I think that’s why he had Travis walk out of the tent to be seen by the public while greeting Taylor after a Buenos Aires show.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

No he said he knew about the line (eg she had joked/sang it in private) but was shocked she actually sang it at the concert.

A couple of the blind sites have said it was actually way too much for him and he's already thinking of how to make an exit that won't get him stalked and threatened by the mega Taytay fans. She doesn't need to try so hard.

Ooh interested in reading these blind items, an you link?

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

Did people forget about Taylor saying “This is about you, you know who you are. I love you” while on stage in May? That message was to Matty Healy!

How on earth do you know that?

What!? A million people record every show with their phones.

Matty Healy said the same phrase during his own show. It was an Easter egg designed to drive Swifties nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

No he said he knew about the line (eg she had joked/sang it in private) but was shocked she actually sang it at the concert.

A couple of the blind sites have said it was actually way too much for him and he's already thinking of how to make an exit that won't get him stalked and threatened by the mega Taytay fans. She doesn't need to try so hard.

Ooh interested in reading these blind items, an you link?

PP is making it up. Lots of cray-cray people posting on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

Where did he say that? Stop drinking the KoolAid.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

I think yes. But I don’t think her music career will be as prolific in the coming decades. She’s mastered it. She’s “won” so to speak, she owns all her own music now. I think her fan base and listenership will have a lot of longevity too. I hope she puts out a pure rock record at some point so I’ll be waiting for that.

I personally think she will take a lengthy break after this to start a family even though I hope it’s not with Travis Kelce but whatever, they’ll be gorgeous talented Amazonian babies. Why else would she do an Eras tour of all her music if it wasn’t a victory lap to deliver a sense of culmination and finality? She could have had just as much success touring Evermore, Folklore, and Midnight Rain alone.

But she’s definitely not going to sit around and do nothing and have a quiet life out of the public eye. She’s a workaholic and extremely competitive but also always wants to do something bigger and better than she did before. So I think she’ll have a few kids then move into directing or producing feature length films or start her own record label or something. I don’t know exactly, but I imagine she wants to expand to a true empire and become some kind of mogul kind of like Oprah. Not sure if that’s the right word but hopefully you get what I mean.

I might be 110% wrong though. She’s certainly unpredictable.

I wonder this too. I can’t predict. I pile see her stopping bc of a major life change, like marriage or kids or her mom dying. Or those could drive her creativity. I don’t know. She doesn’t need the money and she doesn’t always enjoy the attention. I think she has some goals she would still like to accomplish in terms of awards and recognition from other artists.

I agree.

She wants more Grammy awards and to beat all the past records including
Beyoncé and the guy who received the most.

Taylor structures her releases to gain the highest number of Grammy awards she can. While others have one album and maybe get one nod, Taylor will have two albums and multiple additional tracks out and get seven nods.

Someone on her team likely calculates this all.

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Anonymous wrote:Matty was rebound guy. Keep up.

Women can have multiple rebound guys. Ask me how I know Besides the Matty fling was cut short by her rabid fans and team who discovered some “problematic” interviews from his past. She didn’t get to enjoy that fling much.

Okay I guess. How long do you think this rebound relationship with Travis will last?

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

No he said he knew about the line (eg she had joked/sang it in private) but was shocked she actually sang it at the concert.

A couple of the blind sites have said it was actually way too much for him and he's already thinking of how to make an exit that won't get him stalked and threatened by the mega Taytay fans. She doesn't need to try so hard.

Deux says the opposite. Not blinds from sources.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

It was obvious he was listening for something. But getting a heads up that there might be a lyric change and then actually hearing it belted out in front of 65,000+ people is a whole other thing. He said he was shocked she “actually just did that.” That’s not exaggeration for the sake of a show. That’s a human reaction to a VERY big public gesture.

I like Taylor and Travis, even though they're playing it up for the public, but you have to be drinking the Koolaid to think he was all, What?! What just happened?!!! Come on.

With her dad next to him and 100 cameras aimed at him. Fake and cringe af.

+1 so cringey. Her Dad slapping his arm to get him to respond to what he may not have even heard.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

I think yes. But I don’t think her music career will be as prolific in the coming decades. She’s mastered it. She’s “won” so to speak, she owns all her own music now. I think her fan base and listenership will have a lot of longevity too. I hope she puts out a pure rock record at some point so I’ll be waiting for that.

I personally think she will take a lengthy break after this to start a family even though I hope it’s not with Travis Kelce but whatever, they’ll be gorgeous talented Amazonian babies. Why else would she do an Eras tour of all her music if it wasn’t a victory lap to deliver a sense of culmination and finality? She could have had just as much success touring Evermore, Folklore, and Midnight Rain alone.

But she’s definitely not going to sit around and do nothing and have a quiet life out of the public eye. She’s a workaholic and extremely competitive but also always wants to do something bigger and better than she did before. So I think she’ll have a few kids then move into directing or producing feature length films or start her own record label or something. I don’t know exactly, but I imagine she wants to expand to a true empire and become some kind of mogul kind of like Oprah. Not sure if that’s the right word but hopefully you get what I mean.

I might be 110% wrong though. She’s certainly unpredictable.

I wonder this too. I can’t predict. I pile see her stopping bc of a major life change, like marriage or kids or her mom dying. Or those could drive her creativity. I don’t know. She doesn’t need the money and she doesn’t always enjoy the attention. I think she has some goals she would still like to accomplish in terms of awards and recognition from other artists.

I agree.

She wants more Grammy awards and to beat all the past records including
Beyoncé and the guy who received the most.

Taylor structures her releases to gain the highest number of Grammy awards she can. While others have one album and maybe get one nod, Taylor will have two albums and multiple additional tracks out and get seven nods.

Someone on her team likely calculates this all.

Yes, she is highly invested in the Grammy hunt and strategies accordingly. I admire she is humble and honest enough to admit she cares about awards.

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Anonymous wrote:How can you not love these guys?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwXozMCJKEO/

IKR? Their bond is really heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/6StD_xLFp5A?feature=shared

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

I think yes. But I don’t think her music career will be as prolific in the coming decades. She’s mastered it. She’s “won” so to speak, she owns all her own music now. I think her fan base and listenership will have a lot of longevity too. I hope she puts out a pure rock record at some point so I’ll be waiting for that.

I personally think she will take a lengthy break after this to start a family even though I hope it’s not with Travis Kelce but whatever, they’ll be gorgeous talented Amazonian babies. Why else would she do an Eras tour of all her music if it wasn’t a victory lap to deliver a sense of culmination and finality? She could have had just as much success touring Evermore, Folklore, and Midnight Rain alone.

But she’s definitely not going to sit around and do nothing and have a quiet life out of the public eye. She’s a workaholic and extremely competitive but also always wants to do something bigger and better than she did before. So I think she’ll have a few kids then move into directing or producing feature length films or start her own record label or something. I don’t know exactly, but I imagine she wants to expand to a true empire and become some kind of mogul kind of like Oprah. Not sure if that’s the right word but hopefully you get what I mean.

I might be 110% wrong though. She’s certainly unpredictable.

I wonder this too. I can’t predict. I pile see her stopping bc of a major life change, like marriage or kids or her mom dying. Or those could drive her creativity. I don’t know. She doesn’t need the money and she doesn’t always enjoy the attention. I think she has some goals she would still like to accomplish in terms of awards and recognition from other artists.

I agree.

She wants more Grammy awards and to beat all the past records including
Beyoncé and the guy who received the most.

Taylor structures her releases to gain the highest number of Grammy awards she can. While others have one album and maybe get one nod, Taylor will have two albums and multiple additional tracks out and get seven nods.

Someone on her team likely calculates this all.

Yes, she is highly invested in the Grammy hunt and strategies accordingly. I admire she is humble and honest enough to admit she cares about awards.

Being competitive for an award is being humble? Lord swifties are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the swiftie level in this thread is astronomical. At best, Taylor and Travis are in a relationship but are playing it up because of how they know y’all will react. He admitted on his podcast that he knew she was going to add a line in the song for him. His exaggerated reaction was part of the show.

No he said he knew about the line (eg she had joked/sang it in private) but was shocked she actually sang it at the concert.

A couple of the blind sites have said it was actually way too much for him and he's already thinking of how to make an exit that won't get him stalked and threatened by the mega Taytay fans. She doesn't need to try so hard.

Deux says the opposite. Not blinds from sources.

What does Deux say?

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.