Why do we have ageism in a dynamic labor market?

[Anonymous]

Why do we have ageism in a dynamic labor market?In the US unlike Europe, we can be hired on Monday, fired Tuesday next week and start another job the Friday after. In such a labor market, why are people over 50 not hired?

And is it me? Wrong perfection? It seems that 50 used to be you are too old. Now it's over 40. And yet we are living longer and longer and our own government wants us to work longer as well.

Or is it just that they want the unemployed people over 50 to forget that job in an office and instead dry school busses, work at the high school cafeteria, wipe older people's a**s and taken care of them

[Anonymous]

Cost. Perception is experienced people want more money than young people.

[Anonymous]

Because you only want a director level job where you don’t have to produce real work except taking in hour long meetings, and be paid 300k.
These middle management jobs are long gone since young ppl are comfortable trading using chats.

[Anonymous]

Do people over 50 not get jobs?

[Anonymous]

The age 50+ people at my job are almost always tech illiterate.

[Anonymous]

A lot is skills. I find senior people want to learn new tech on the job, while I can hire people out of school who are much better at the same thing.

If the senior person brings mentoring or management expertise, or they have relevant experience with customers, it might be worth to pay for upskilling.

I'm saying this as someone who has hired people in 50s and even 60s. When it's a good fit, it can be great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do people over 50 not get jobs?

Over 45 is tough, especially for women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people over 50 not get jobs?

Over 45 is tough, especially for women.

Semi tough as all the women my block just became SAHMs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do we have ageism in a dynamic labor market?In the US unlike Europe, we can be hired on Monday, fired Tuesday next week and start another job the Friday after. In such a labor market, why are people over 50 not hired?

And is it me? Wrong perfection? It seems that 50 used to be you are too old. Now it's over 40. And yet we are living longer and longer and our own government wants us to work longer as well.

Or is it just that they want the unemployed people over 50 to forget that job in an office and instead dry school busses, work at the high school cafeteria, wipe older people's a**s and taken care of them

We don't have a labor maket at all like this.

Unemployment is rising and will continue to do so.

[Anonymous]

A lot of workers are lazy in their 20s to 40s and it bites them later in career.

For example I have a 38 year old guy in my dept, nice enough, mediocre college, mediocre grades, bs major. Likes to WFH most days and when comes in he is running for door like building in fired at 425 pm.

No certifications. No graduate degree, no name brand companies on resume, half ass LinkedIn, does zero networking in work or out of work, little sloppy of a dresser.

He is good enough to get job done. No complaints about that. He is type of guy tell him what to do he does it. But not a free thinker.

What happens when he is let go at 55?

I would be expecting by 55, he managed staff, had a certification, MBA, good dresser, professional LinkedIn profile, maybe spoke some conferences, some name brand companies, worked in some interesting things.

It is a pyramid scheme there are way less VP and up jobs than staff. So at 55 he is way too old staff and way less qualified than the other 55 year olds

He most likely if stays my company does his little job he may find we merged, got a new boss and out he goes.

But his little pee brain at 38 does not realize he is 12 years to 50 and once 50 he is toast unless he ups his game

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of workers are lazy in their 20s to 40s and it bites them later in career.

For example I have a 38 year old guy in my dept, nice enough, mediocre college, mediocre grades, bs major. Likes to WFH most days and when comes in he is running for door like building in fired at 425 pm.

No certifications. No graduate degree, no name brand companies on resume, half ass LinkedIn, does zero networking in work or out of work, little sloppy of a dresser.

He is good enough to get job done. No complaints about that. He is type of guy tell him what to do he does it. But not a free thinker.

What happens when he is let go at 55?

I would be expecting by 55, he managed staff, had a certification, MBA, good dresser, professional LinkedIn profile, maybe spoke some conferences, some name brand companies, worked in some interesting things.

It is a pyramid scheme there are way less VP and up jobs than staff. So at 55 he is way too old staff and way less qualified than the other 55 year olds

He most likely if stays my company does his little job he may find we merged, got a new boss and out he goes.

But his little pee brain at 38 does not realize he is 12 years to 50 and once 50 he is toast unless he ups his game

Does brand name matter that much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The age 50+ people at my job are almost always tech illiterate.

In my experience, the 50+ people in leadership roles are mostly tech illiterate. The ones who have been ICs all along have kept up fine.

A lot of the young people think they’re tech geniuses because they’ve been grown up with a computer in their hands, but they don’t necessarily understand how anything works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of workers are lazy in their 20s to 40s and it bites them later in career.

For example I have a 38 year old guy in my dept, nice enough, mediocre college, mediocre grades, bs major. Likes to WFH most days and when comes in he is running for door like building in fired at 425 pm.

No certifications. No graduate degree, no name brand companies on resume, half ass LinkedIn, does zero networking in work or out of work, little sloppy of a dresser.

He is good enough to get job done. No complaints about that. He is type of guy tell him what to do he does it. But not a free thinker.

What happens when he is let go at 55?

I would be expecting by 55, he managed staff, had a certification, MBA, good dresser, professional LinkedIn profile, maybe spoke some conferences, some name brand companies, worked in some interesting things.

It is a pyramid scheme there are way less VP and up jobs than staff. So at 55 he is way too old staff and way less qualified than the other 55 year olds

He most likely if stays my company does his little job he may find we merged, got a new boss and out he goes.

But his little pee brain at 38 does not realize he is 12 years to 50 and once 50 he is toast unless he ups his game

Does brand name matter that much?

School? Yes. It’s an uphill battle for decent state school grads, let alone no name schools.

[Anonymous]

Health care is expensive in the US. People over 50 have higher health care needs.

The US is a very cruel country. We celebrate and put in the front work people who have succeeded. Those who "failed" we don't care about them, in fact in some cases we even hate them. We have been brainwashed to believe that people who don't achieve a certain level of success have noone but themselves to blame.

And we are surprised that corporations openly discriminate against older workers? It's even worse than that, they celebrate it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cost. Perception is experienced people want more money than young people.

+1. If older people are willing to accept a starting salary, then they will be hired more easily.