Guesstimated % of unhooked kids- ivies- without parental pushing

[Anonymous]

What percent of students do you think get into Ivy leagues who are both:

- completely unhooked and by that I mean, including Rural, first GEN, low income, minority, athletes, feeder schools, come from states that produce few applicants, etc.

AND

- have zero pushing from parents (to join/start/continue activities, college admissions counselors, essay help, etc) OR anything that results in a curated college app.

[Anonymous]

LOL

Zero!

I saw that crazy 10-bulletpoint activity list yesterday, no way a kid is willing to go through that without "pushing". No. No matter what you say.

[Anonymous]

It depends. A standard smart kid from the 'burbs has no shot at Harvard or Yale. But Cornell is still accessible for smart and talented students without hooks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It depends. A standard smart kid from the 'burbs has no shot at Harvard or Yale. But Cornell is still accessible for smart and talented students without hooks.

Even Cornell CALs / ILR still requires quite a bit of activities to get in. Dentist rich 'burb parents are the most zealous push.

Agree that Cornell is the easiest among ivies, followed by Penn non-Wharton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends. A standard smart kid from the 'burbs has no shot at Harvard or Yale. But Cornell is still accessible for smart and talented students without hooks.

Even Cornell CALs / ILR still requires quite a bit of activities to get in. Dentist rich 'burb parents are the most zealous push.

Agree that Cornell is the easiest among ivies, followed by Penn non-Wharton.

So what’s your answer to the question in the post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It depends. A standard smart kid from the 'burbs has no shot at Harvard or Yale. But Cornell is still accessible for smart and talented students without hooks.

OP here:

Unhooked AND no outside help is what I am asking about. You didn’t address the latter part…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL

Zero!

I saw that crazy 10-bulletpoint activity list yesterday, no way a kid is willing to go through that without "pushing". No. No matter what you say.

Yes that crazy 10-bullet point activity list was unhinged. I saw it and gasped. No way that is remotely normal or organic for even motivated teens.

[Anonymous]

I missed 10 bullet point activity list yesterday. Where was it posted? Thanks!

[Anonymous]

My DD sort of qualifies. We encouraged her to take her studies seriously but never discussed college or her "resume" until after her sophomore year. At that point, she had near perfect grades, artistic talent, and several ECs. As she started her junior year, we started looking into colleges and realized that (a) admissions are way more competitive and (b) college is way more expensive than the 90's. We never hired a consultant or even paid for SAT classes. But I learned about current admissions through books, forums, and podcasts and did my best to advise DD on potential colleges and application strategies. That said, I don't think she did anything in terms of classes or ECs that she wouldn't have done anyway. But I think I was able to help her craft her various doings and accomplishments into a kind of application theme/persona. I can't affirmative say that my help made any difference, but she did very well in the application process.

So, in my mind we didn't push DD to do anything new, but we definitely tried to help her capitalize on what she did organically in her applications. Do with that what you will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD sort of qualifies. We encouraged her to take her studies seriously but never discussed college or her "resume" until after her sophomore year. At that point, she had near perfect grades, artistic talent, and several ECs. As she started her junior year, we started looking into colleges and realized that (a) admissions are way more competitive and (b) college is way more expensive than the 90's. We never hired a consultant or even paid for SAT classes. But I learned about current admissions through books, forums, and podcasts and did my best to advise DD on potential colleges and application strategies. That said, I don't think she did anything in terms of classes or ECs that she wouldn't have done anyway. But I think I was able to help her craft her various doings and accomplishments into a kind of application theme/persona. I can't affirmative say that my help made any difference, but she did very well in the application process.

So, in my mind we didn't push DD to do anything new, but we definitely tried to help her capitalize on what she did organically in her applications. Do with that what you will.

It sounds like you helped her curate her application. Where do you live?

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD sort of qualifies. We encouraged her to take her studies seriously but never discussed college or her "resume" until after her sophomore year. At that point, she had near perfect grades, artistic talent, and several ECs. As she started her junior year, we started looking into colleges and realized that (a) admissions are way more competitive and (b) college is way more expensive than the 90's. We never hired a consultant or even paid for SAT classes. But I learned about current admissions through books, forums, and podcasts and did my best to advise DD on potential colleges and application strategies. That said, I don't think she did anything in terms of classes or ECs that she wouldn't have done anyway. But I think I was able to help her craft her various doings and accomplishments into a kind of application theme/persona. I can't affirmative say that my help made any difference, but she did very well in the application process.

So, in my mind we didn't push DD to do anything new, but we definitely tried to help her capitalize on what she did organically in her applications. Do with that what you will.

Your first sentence is in 100% opposition to everything else you wrote. You curated her profile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What percent of students do you think get into Ivy leagues who are both:

- completely unhooked and by that I mean, including Rural, first GEN, low income, minority, athletes, feeder schools, come from states that produce few applicants, etc.

AND

- have zero pushing from parents (to join/start/continue activities, college admissions counselors, essay help, etc) OR anything that results in a curated college app.

The ivies have always been hard to get into if you are unhooked. If you are going to count geographic diversity and low income as hooks, I'd bet there are very few completely unhooked kids getting into ivies ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of students do you think get into Ivy leagues who are both:

- completely unhooked and by that I mean, including Rural, first GEN, low income, minority, athletes, feeder schools, come from states that produce few applicants, etc.

AND

- have zero pushing from parents (to join/start/continue activities, college admissions counselors, essay help, etc) OR anything that results in a curated college app.

The ivies have always been hard to get into if you are unhooked. If you are going to count geographic diversity and low income as hooks, I'd bet there are very few completely unhooked kids getting into ivies ever.

Put another way...what UMC parent these days just doesn't give a shit about their kid's activities (or call it their lack of involvement in any) or their class schedule (that matters too) or their college prospects?

Most don't even care about the Ivy league, but they aren't doing nothing.

It's hard to understand who qualifies under OP's guidelines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of students do you think get into Ivy leagues who are both:

- completely unhooked and by that I mean, including Rural, first GEN, low income, minority, athletes, feeder schools, come from states that produce few applicants, etc.

AND

- have zero pushing from parents (to join/start/continue activities, college admissions counselors, essay help, etc) OR anything that results in a curated college app.

The ivies have always been hard to get into if you are unhooked. If you are going to count geographic diversity and low income as hooks, I'd bet there are very few completely unhooked kids getting into ivies ever.

Put another way...what UMC parent these days just doesn't give a shit about their kid's activities (or call it their lack of involvement in any) or their class schedule (that matters too) or their college prospects?

Most don't even care about the Ivy league, but they aren't doing nothing.

It's hard to understand who qualifies under OP's guidelines.

Yes. I agree with you.