ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:So you think MLSN will switch to SY too? (Just clarifying that that is separate from Academies.)

It’s not. Academies and Clubs are all in the same league. It’s all MLS regardless.

MLS has made it fairly clear that they don’t intend to change - hence why USSF gave 2 options - one for rec and ECNL, and one for MLSN.

What’s so fascinating to me is that now we have the SY option for ECNL, why have so many of my fellow SY folks convinced themselves that EVERYONE needs SY and that only if MLS / GA go SY will they survive…

At first we wanted it for the trapped kids in ECNL and now we want everyone else to do it too?

If p2p MLSNs stay in BY, they are stupid, or it is just your wishful thinking. MLS2 will be the same cutoff as MLS. If MLS2 can play HS soccer, then SY is a natural choice.

Why p2p MLSN have to stay in BY, to please BY parents?

Huh? MLSN has their own reasons for being BY. What is the issue? Why does it matter to you?

I don’t understand the obsession with now needing everyone to be SY?

You don't understand because you are dumb. My kid's team will become MLS2. If MLS2 stays BY, how are we going to play a big tournament like the Surf Cup? Will we spend money to fly there and to play up and be destroyed?

They (USSF) and all the other big leagues are literally working on all the details for how that will work. MLSN is staying BY with biobanding option.

BY crowd is trying hard on mental gymnastics convince themselves MLSN will stay in BY. It is good for mental health for the next 2 months.

Why does anyone care if MLSN stays By? They have biobanding so your kids can play down now if you wanted?

ECNL and the other leagues are strict with following BY so it makes sense people would want them to change to whatever favors their kid.

Also for what it’s worth MLSN/GA are staying BY and GA will add “late developer” for all age groups.

What is "late developer"? How you can have a late developer at 17 on the girls side? Seems like a rule ripe for abuse. Just go SY or BY.

Should have all the info by June. But will only be abused if GA allows it to be.
Also sounds like GA will not allow clubs to use guest or discovery players for more than 2 games per season.

Also If you play GA you only can guest play up to 5 games a year outside your own team. Unless it’s an ODP or regional team.Which won’t count against those 5 games.

So it sounds like it is de facto SY. Unless they are going to make girls submit to exams. Gross.

Idk if it will be thorough. Most likely height, weight, and birth month and year.

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Anonymous wrote:Lmao MLSN doesn't care about all these mommie and daddy concerns about age alignment with D teams in rec leagues. They've always been in favor of BY and this is why US Soccer said different leagues can follow their own age registration guidelines rather than mandating SY for all.

All the speculation about MLSN having to go to SY is wishful thinking from parents of Q4 kids who think their kid is suddenly gonna be signed by DC United academy because of this change.

It's a legitimate question; how will they fuse the two registrations together?

Do they really need to "fuse" the organizations together? They're not actually "together" now by just having the same age registration.

It's still the same overall pool of players under the organization. The birth dates of kids doesn't change.

But they will be recruiting from a SY system, which if history is an indicator will lean more heavily towards Q4 kids in a few years. How will they be able to scout for a BY system at that point, they will have to have an actual feeder league, or the discontinuity wouldn't be worth it. They just put out a release saying their scouting has been off, hence the change to quality of play, why would they make that aspect even more difficult?

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Anonymous wrote:Lmao MLSN doesn't care about all these mommie and daddy concerns about age alignment with D teams in rec leagues. They've always been in favor of BY and this is why US Soccer said different leagues can follow their own age registration guidelines rather than mandating SY for all.

All the speculation about MLSN having to go to SY is wishful thinking from parents of Q4 kids who think their kid is suddenly gonna be signed by DC United academy because of this change.

It's a legitimate question; how will they fuse the two registrations together?

Do they really need to "fuse" the organizations together? They're not actually "together" now by just having the same age registration.

It's still the same overall pool of players under the organization. The birth dates of kids doesn't change.

But they will be recruiting from a SY system, which if history is an indicator will lean more heavily towards Q4 kids in a few years. How will they be able to scout for a BY system at that point, they will have to have an actual feeder league, or the discontinuity wouldn't be worth it. They just put out a release saying their scouting has been off, hence the change to quality of play, why would they make that aspect even more difficult?

I personally think many people are overestimating this as a problem so extreme that it requires alignment with lower clubs. MLSN will likely prioritize with higher clubs - academy level, international academies, USNT, etc (international alignment was the main reason MLSN was in favor of the change to BY in 2016, and are still against changing to SY now).

MLSN likely won't care what "system" they're recruiting from. They're recruiting players based on skill, physical talents, decision making, and development potential, and already can base that off the quality of MLSN competition. They can invite the kid to ID sessions or to practice with the team. A Q4 kid could be dominating at the RCL level but still not be good enough for MLSN. Again, the actual birth date of a kid doesn't change and MLSN will know whether he/she is good enough, whether he/she is older or younger for his/her rec team. MLSN can recruit a standout from a church league if that kid is actually good. And kids who are good enough to play MLS Next basically have to play good enough to play a year or two up already.

These are logistical challenges and valid questions, but I don't personally believe MLSN's hand will be forced by this. They still no how to scout talent and recruit. And they likely would've announced already.

I could be wrong. And I won't be surprised if they do or do not change to SY. But the logistical challenges or evaluation concerns from the change won't be the reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Lmao MLSN doesn't care about all these mommie and daddy concerns about age alignment with D teams in rec leagues. They've always been in favor of BY and this is why US Soccer said different leagues can follow their own age registration guidelines rather than mandating SY for all.

All the speculation about MLSN having to go to SY is wishful thinking from parents of Q4 kids who think their kid is suddenly gonna be signed by DC United academy because of this change.

It's a legitimate question; how will they fuse the two registrations together?

Do they really need to "fuse" the organizations together? They're not actually "together" now by just having the same age registration.

It's still the same overall pool of players under the organization. The birth dates of kids doesn't change.

But they will be recruiting from a SY system, which if history is an indicator will lean more heavily towards Q4 kids in a few years. How will they be able to scout for a BY system at that point, they will have to have an actual feeder league, or the discontinuity wouldn't be worth it. They just put out a release saying their scouting has been off, hence the change to quality of play, why would they make that aspect even more difficult?

I personally think many people are overestimating this as a problem so extreme that it requires alignment with lower clubs. MLSN will likely prioritize with higher clubs - academy level, international academies, USNT, etc (international alignment was the main reason MLSN was in favor of the change to BY in 2016, and are still against changing to SY now).

MLSN likely won't care what "system" they're recruiting from. They're recruiting players based on skill, physical talents, decision making, and development potential, and already can base that off the quality of MLSN competition. They can invite the kid to ID sessions or to practice with the team. A Q4 kid could be dominating at the RCL level but still not be good enough for MLSN. Again, the actual birth date of a kid doesn't change and MLSN will know whether he/she is good enough, whether he/she is older or younger for his/her rec team. MLSN can recruit a standout from a church league if that kid is actually good. And kids who are good enough to play MLS Next basically have to play good enough to play a year or two up already.

These are logistical challenges and valid questions, but I don't personally believe MLSN's hand will be forced by this. They still no how to scout talent and recruit. And they likely would've announced already.

I could be wrong. And I won't be surprised if they do or do not change to SY. But the logistical challenges or evaluation concerns from the change won't be the reason.

You mistook p2p MLSN for MLSN Academy.

MLSN Academy will remain in BY. No one argues it.

p2p MLSN will be the same cutoff as MLS2, which should be SY to address to reduce trap player issues and better college recruiting. If they stay in BY, both MLSN and MLS2 will lose a lot of SepQ4 players, which means less revenue to club owners.

BY crowds are from p2p MLSN and worry about losing their status quo after p2p MLSN switches to SY. They won the mental gymnastics for the next two months.

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Anonymous wrote:Lmao MLSN doesn't care about all these mommie and daddy concerns about age alignment with D teams in rec leagues. They've always been in favor of BY and this is why US Soccer said different leagues can follow their own age registration guidelines rather than mandating SY for all.

All the speculation about MLSN having to go to SY is wishful thinking from parents of Q4 kids who think their kid is suddenly gonna be signed by DC United academy because of this change.

It's a legitimate question; how will they fuse the two registrations together?

Do they really need to "fuse" the organizations together? They're not actually "together" now by just having the same age registration.

It's still the same overall pool of players under the organization. The birth dates of kids doesn't change.

But they will be recruiting from a SY system, which if history is an indicator will lean more heavily towards Q4 kids in a few years. How will they be able to scout for a BY system at that point, they will have to have an actual feeder league, or the discontinuity wouldn't be worth it. They just put out a release saying their scouting has been off, hence the change to quality of play, why would they make that aspect even more difficult?

I personally think many people are overestimating this as a problem so extreme that it requires alignment with lower clubs. MLSN will likely prioritize with higher clubs - academy level, international academies, USNT, etc (international alignment was the main reason MLSN was in favor of the change to BY in 2016, and are still against changing to SY now).

MLSN likely won't care what "system" they're recruiting from. They're recruiting players based on skill, physical talents, decision making, and development potential, and already can base that off the quality of MLSN competition. They can invite the kid to ID sessions or to practice with the team. A Q4 kid could be dominating at the RCL level but still not be good enough for MLSN. Again, the actual birth date of a kid doesn't change and MLSN will know whether he/she is good enough, whether he/she is older or younger for his/her rec team. MLSN can recruit a standout from a church league if that kid is actually good. And kids who are good enough to play MLS Next basically have to play good enough to play a year or two up already.

These are logistical challenges and valid questions, but I don't personally believe MLSN's hand will be forced by this. They still no how to scout talent and recruit. And they likely would've announced already.

I could be wrong. And I won't be surprised if they do or do not change to SY. But the logistical challenges or evaluation concerns from the change won't be the reason.

You mistook p2p MLSN for MLSN Academy.

MLSN Academy will remain in BY. No one argues it.

p2p MLSN will be the same cutoff as MLS2, which should be SY to address to reduce trap player issues and better college recruiting. If they stay in BY, both MLSN and MLS2 will lose a lot of SepQ4 players, which means less revenue to club owners.

BY crowds are from p2p MLSN and worry about losing their status quo after p2p MLSN switches to SY. They won the mental gymnastics for the next two months.

You are correct academies stay BY. P2P MLSN is a feeder programs into academies, yes?

My point is that if P2P MLSN is faced with age alignment with lower clubs for recruitment purposes, or age alignment with higher academy clubs for feeder purposes to stay on their mission of pro pathway development, I believe they'd elect to not change from BY. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. But they've always wanted to align with higher competition over lesser.

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Anonymous wrote:Lmao MLSN doesn't care about all these mommie and daddy concerns about age alignment with D teams in rec leagues. They've always been in favor of BY and this is why US Soccer said different leagues can follow their own age registration guidelines rather than mandating SY for all.

All the speculation about MLSN having to go to SY is wishful thinking from parents of Q4 kids who think their kid is suddenly gonna be signed by DC United academy because of this change.

It's a legitimate question; how will they fuse the two registrations together?

Do they really need to "fuse" the organizations together? They're not actually "together" now by just having the same age registration.

It's still the same overall pool of players under the organization. The birth dates of kids doesn't change.

But they will be recruiting from a SY system, which if history is an indicator will lean more heavily towards Q4 kids in a few years. How will they be able to scout for a BY system at that point, they will have to have an actual feeder league, or the discontinuity wouldn't be worth it. They just put out a release saying their scouting has been off, hence the change to quality of play, why would they make that aspect even more difficult?

I personally think many people are overestimating this as a problem so extreme that it requires alignment with lower clubs. MLSN will likely prioritize with higher clubs - academy level, international academies, USNT, etc (international alignment was the main reason MLSN was in favor of the change to BY in 2016, and are still against changing to SY now).

MLSN likely won't care what "system" they're recruiting from. They're recruiting players based on skill, physical talents, decision making, and development potential, and already can base that off the quality of MLSN competition. They can invite the kid to ID sessions or to practice with the team. A Q4 kid could be dominating at the RCL level but still not be good enough for MLSN. Again, the actual birth date of a kid doesn't change and MLSN will know whether he/she is good enough, whether he/she is older or younger for his/her rec team. MLSN can recruit a standout from a church league if that kid is actually good. And kids who are good enough to play MLS Next basically have to play good enough to play a year or two up already.

These are logistical challenges and valid questions, but I don't personally believe MLSN's hand will be forced by this. They still no how to scout talent and recruit. And they likely would've announced already.

I could be wrong. And I won't be surprised if they do or do not change to SY. But the logistical challenges or evaluation concerns from the change won't be the reason.

You mistook p2p MLSN for MLSN Academy.

MLSN Academy will remain in BY. No one argues it.

p2p MLSN will be the same cutoff as MLS2, which should be SY to address to reduce trap player issues and better college recruiting. If they stay in BY, both MLSN and MLS2 will lose a lot of SepQ4 players, which means less revenue to club owners.

BY crowds are from p2p MLSN and worry about losing their status quo after p2p MLSN switches to SY. They won the mental gymnastics for the next two months.

You are correct academies stay BY. P2P MLSN is a feeder programs into academies, yes?

My point is that if P2P MLSN is faced with age alignment with lower clubs for recruitment purposes, or age alignment with higher academy clubs for feeder purposes to stay on their mission of pro pathway development, I believe they'd elect to not change from BY. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. But they've always wanted to align with higher competition over lesser.

And MLSN has clearly never cared about trapped players. They constantly argue to be on BY, dating back to before the change to BY.

As for revenue, MLSN has plenty of players to choose from for a limited set of teams. They may have lost Q4 players with the change to BY in 2016 and yet they continue to expand. I doubt they're worried about losing players, as they're the higher standard most serious players want to strive for - not so much with HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Lmao MLSN doesn't care about all these mommie and daddy concerns about age alignment with D teams in rec leagues. They've always been in favor of BY and this is why US Soccer said different leagues can follow their own age registration guidelines rather than mandating SY for all.

All the speculation about MLSN having to go to SY is wishful thinking from parents of Q4 kids who think their kid is suddenly gonna be signed by DC United academy because of this change.

It's a legitimate question; how will they fuse the two registrations together?

Do they really need to "fuse" the organizations together? They're not actually "together" now by just having the same age registration.

It's still the same overall pool of players under the organization. The birth dates of kids doesn't change.

But they will be recruiting from a SY system, which if history is an indicator will lean more heavily towards Q4 kids in a few years. How will they be able to scout for a BY system at that point, they will have to have an actual feeder league, or the discontinuity wouldn't be worth it. They just put out a release saying their scouting has been off, hence the change to quality of play, why would they make that aspect even more difficult?

I personally think many people are overestimating this as a problem so extreme that it requires alignment with lower clubs. MLSN will likely prioritize with higher clubs - academy level, international academies, USNT, etc (international alignment was the main reason MLSN was in favor of the change to BY in 2016, and are still against changing to SY now).

MLSN likely won't care what "system" they're recruiting from. They're recruiting players based on skill, physical talents, decision making, and development potential, and already can base that off the quality of MLSN competition. They can invite the kid to ID sessions or to practice with the team. A Q4 kid could be dominating at the RCL level but still not be good enough for MLSN. Again, the actual birth date of a kid doesn't change and MLSN will know whether he/she is good enough, whether he/she is older or younger for his/her rec team. MLSN can recruit a standout from a church league if that kid is actually good. And kids who are good enough to play MLS Next basically have to play good enough to play a year or two up already.

These are logistical challenges and valid questions, but I don't personally believe MLSN's hand will be forced by this. They still no how to scout talent and recruit. And they likely would've announced already.

I could be wrong. And I won't be surprised if they do or do not change to SY. But the logistical challenges or evaluation concerns from the change won't be the reason.

MLSN didn't exist until 2020, you may be thinking of the now defunct DA but I am pretty sure it is completely different leadership today. The change was precipitated by the heads of the NT at that time and widely unsupported by youth soccer at the time...if you listen to them anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:So you think MLSN will switch to SY too? (Just clarifying that that is separate from Academies.)

It’s not. Academies and Clubs are all in the same league. It’s all MLS regardless.

MLS has made it fairly clear that they don’t intend to change - hence why USSF gave 2 options - one for rec and ECNL, and one for MLSN.

What’s so fascinating to me is that now we have the SY option for ECNL, why have so many of my fellow SY folks convinced themselves that EVERYONE needs SY and that only if MLS / GA go SY will they survive…

At first we wanted it for the trapped kids in ECNL and now we want everyone else to do it too?

If p2p MLSNs stay in BY, they are stupid, or it is just your wishful thinking. MLS2 will be the same cutoff as MLS. If MLS2 can play HS soccer, then SY is a natural choice.

Why p2p MLSN have to stay in BY, to please BY parents?

Huh? MLSN has their own reasons for being BY. What is the issue? Why does it matter to you?

I don’t understand the obsession with now needing everyone to be SY?

You don't understand because you are dumb. My kid's team will become MLS2. If MLS2 stays BY, how are we going to play a big tournament like the Surf Cup? Will we spend money to fly there and to play up and be destroyed?

They (USSF) and all the other big leagues are literally working on all the details for how that will work. MLSN is staying BY with biobanding option.

BY crowd is trying hard on mental gymnastics convince themselves MLSN will stay in BY. It is good for mental health for the next 2 months.

Why does anyone care if MLSN stays By? They have biobanding so your kids can play down now if you wanted?

ECNL and the other leagues are strict with following BY so it makes sense people would want them to change to whatever favors their kid.

Also for what it’s worth MLSN/GA are staying BY and GA will add “late developer” for all age groups.

What is "late developer"? How you can have a late developer at 17 on the girls side? Seems like a rule ripe for abuse. Just go SY or BY.

Should have all the info by June. But will only be abused if GA allows it to be.
Also sounds like GA will not allow clubs to use guest or discovery players for more than 2 games per season.

Also If you play GA you only can guest play up to 5 games a year outside your own team. Unless it’s an ODP or regional team.Which won’t count against those 5 games.

So it sounds like it is de facto SY. Unless they are going to make girls submit to exams. Gross.

Idk if it will be thorough. Most likely height, weight, and birth month and year.

They would need parental heights too if they really were concerned. Otherwise defacto SY

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ODP is supposedly going to stay BY, another potential way to ID players for MLSN (and/or GA if that matches) and maybe it'd regain some of its lost cachet.

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MLS Academy and MLS P2P play the same competitions: MLS Next 1 league and MLS tournaments?

How could be MLS Academy BY and MLS P2P SY, if they play the same league and tournaments?

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GA is staying BY and ECNL will goto SY next year for limited amount of players per team. GA will not allow its Q3/4 players to try and game the system by playing BY GA and SY ECNL.

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149 to go. You got this DCUM

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Anonymous wrote:GA is staying BY and ECNL will goto SY next year for limited amount of players per team. GA will not allow its Q3/4 players to try and game the system by playing BY GA and SY ECNL.

But everyone said ECNL wasn’t going to change… that’s not fair!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:GA is staying BY and ECNL will goto SY next year for limited amount of players per team. GA will not allow its Q3/4 players to try and game the system by playing BY GA and SY ECNL.

But everyone said ECNL wasn’t going to change… that’s not fair!!!!

ECNL showcases will be GY. Be ready for that. League/Nationals will be based off a new city off range.

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FIFA just announced they're changing to SY to align with American rec leagues.