GT/AAP Appeals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The one Algebra test don't determine whole grade for the year. You get plenty of time to finish the science project.
You get chance to take SAT a few time. On average students take 3 times.

There might be cases that kids got really sick or had an accident. Of course there may be cases the parents are just making excuses.

Teachers konw the student best? Remember teachers' recommendations are only secondary reference when entering colleges.

Yeah, but how many Algebra tests does a kid have to not do well on before you step back and say. "Hmmm...maybe my kid isn't ready for algebra," as opposed to "The teachers and county are out to get my kid!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone here willing to admit that they paid for a WISC test and got a report that said thier darling wasn't intellectually gifted?

I agree that the wisc is also subjective based on the examiner. They KNOW why you are there and what you are looking for...a set of scores that can qualify your child for AAP.

Are you saying they manipulate the test results? Do those professionals artificially increse 115 score result to 128?

Like I posted above thsee test results are used throughout the county natioanlly to identify gifted children and students.

[Anonymous]

FACT: WISC and similar test scores are used all over the country nationally for identifying gifted children.

Teachers opinion? not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GBRS is subjective scoring system. It is done by 2nd grade teacher that barely knows the child since they only have 4-5 months before the GBRS rating. If the child is outgoing, most teachers will think that child must be gifted. If the child is shy or introvert, that child may not open up untill much later. The shy child maybe the most gifted child in the classroom however, because the child stays quite, the teacher is not going think that child is gifted. So, no matter how many opinions are posted on GBRS, it is a very subjective scoring system.

Wow. Are you a FFX County Teacher? Do you know a lot of them? If you don't think that the teacher knows his/her students by 4-5 months into school, you are crazy. I don't believe that teachers believe that an outgoing kid is automatically read as gifted and the shy child is ignored. That is just another excuse that doesn't pan out in reality. Quiet or not, teachers know their kids.

My child is painfully shy and never spoke up in class unless forced and she got into the AAP program with a 14 GBRS from the pool. The three most outspoken kids in her class aren't in the program at all. I know one was in the pool, didn't get in and her parents didn't bother appealing, but I have no idea about the other two. I just know that they aren't in the AAP program currently. I know about the one because she and my daughter are good friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll take a teacher's report on a kid any day over a tester who knows they're being paid to produce a score that will hopefully allow a child into GT, a child who wasn't accepted in the first place. It's ludicrous if you don't think anxious parents who are paying the tester don't have an influence on the eventual result.

Sorry, you don't make the decision. The committee doesn't agree with you at all.

Good WISC scores overturn poor GBRS. WISC is used nationally. GBRS? I don't think so.

I'm with the committee, I trust the test results more than teachers opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GBRS is subjective scoring system. It is done by 2nd grade teacher that barely knows the child since they only have 4-5 months before the GBRS rating. If the child is outgoing, most teachers will think that child must be gifted. If the child is shy or introvert, that child may not open up untill much later. The shy child maybe the most gifted child in the classroom however, because the child stays quite, the teacher is not going think that child is gifted. So, no matter how many opinions are posted on GBRS, it is a very subjective scoring system.

Wow. Are you a FFX County Teacher? Do you know a lot of them? If you don't think that the teacher knows his/her students by 4-5 months into school, you are crazy. I don't believe that teachers believe that an outgoing kid is automatically read as gifted and the shy child is ignored. That is just another excuse that doesn't pan out in reality. Quiet or not, teachers know their kids.

My child is painfully shy and never spoke up in class unless forced and she got into the AAP program with a 14 GBRS from the pool. The three most outspoken kids in her class aren't in the program at all. I know one was in the pool, didn't get in and her parents didn't bother appealing, but I have no idea about the other two. I just know that they aren't in the AAP program currently. I know about the one because she and my daughter are good friends.

The teachers are not trained for identifing gifted children. Some maybe better than others. That's the whole problem. INCONSISTENCY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FACT: WISC and similar test scores are used all over the country nationally for identifying gifted children.

Teachers opinion? not so much.

yes. for wisc scores of 145+ are used nationally. very few on this forum satisfy that.
just taking wisc does make one gifted. that is the point that is being missed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FACT: WISC and similar test scores are used all over the country nationally for identifying gifted children.

Teachers opinion? not so much.

yes. for wisc scores of 145+ are used nationally. very few on this forum satisfy that.
just taking wisc does make one gifted. that is the point that is being missed.

Nope. 145+ is for 'PROFOUNDLY' gifted.

FCPS just looks for little less than that for AAP. Nothing different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GBRS is subjective scoring system. It is done by 2nd grade teacher that barely knows the child since they only have 4-5 months before the GBRS rating. If the child is outgoing, most teachers will think that child must be gifted. If the child is shy or introvert, that child may not open up untill much later. The shy child maybe the most gifted child in the classroom however, because the child stays quite, the teacher is not going think that child is gifted. So, no matter how many opinions are posted on GBRS, it is a very subjective scoring system.

Wow. Are you a FFX County Teacher? Do you know a lot of them? If you don't think that the teacher knows his/her students by 4-5 months into school, you are crazy. I don't believe that teachers believe that an outgoing kid is automatically read as gifted and the shy child is ignored. That is just another excuse that doesn't pan out in reality. Quiet or not, teachers know their kids.

My child is painfully shy and never spoke up in class unless forced and she got into the AAP program with a 14 GBRS from the pool. The three most outspoken kids in her class aren't in the program at all. I know one was in the pool, didn't get in and her parents didn't bother appealing, but I have no idea about the other two. I just know that they aren't in the AAP program currently. I know about the one because she and my daughter are good friends.

You are lucky that your child was identified and a good teacher that recognized the talent. But the truth is that most of the time, shy kids will be IGNORED by "most of the teachers". You can call me crazy but that is the truth. Teachers are very inconsistent when it comes to GBRS scores.

[Anonymous]

A bored kid can get low gbrs. If the kid is an outgoing kid, and teacher may not know that the kid is bored. that is why parent input or extracurricular activity coaches input matters. this could be one of the situations which might call for the need of an appeal as the purpose of aap is to challenge kids so that they are not bored.


coming to wisc, scores less than 130 are considered average. so, what does it tell about the committee when it accepts these scores? committee is definitely not looking for gifted kids in the appeal process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A bored kid can get low gbrs. If the kid is an outgoing kid, and teacher may not know that the kid is bored. that is why parent input or extracurricular activity coaches input matters. this could be one of the situations which might call for the need of an appeal as the purpose of aap is to challenge kids so that they are not bored.

coming to wisc, scores less than 130 are considered average. so, what does it tell about the committee when it accepts these scores? committee is definitely not looking for gifted kids in the appeal process

My kid got 140+ on WISC, but please provide source for the statement.
I think not so much gifted kids also get in for the first round as well with barely over 130 score and relatively inflated GBRS.
The level they are looking for should be the same for the first round and appeal. In appeal, they at least got more data in decision making.

[Anonymous]

You guys are idiots. A WISC of 130 places the child in the top 2% of kids in the country in terms of IQ. A simple GOOGLE search will confirm that for you.

[Anonymous]

18:41 I strongly agree.

Troll is just recyling old arguments for the sake of arguing. We are taking the bait.

Gang, this idiot troll just likes conflict, and will not respond to logical argument. Let's move on.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

18:46, WTF?