“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:I did not take seriously the theories that this was leaked by a one of the conservative justices/clerks until I read this thread. But it makes a very compelling case that this probably came from the conservative side, most likely Alito/Thomas.

Yes, it’s a good analysis and has been posted a few times now. The right wingers are completely convinced that some liberal leaked this and I don’t see the benefit at all to the liberal side. All of this furor would be better at the end of June when the opinion was going to be released anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:BREAKING...OK gov. signs a new abortion bill banning abortion beyond 6 weeks of pregnancy into law, which is modeled after the Texas rule and takes effect immediately.

Watch more dominoes fall.... They're not even waiting until the formal SC ruling.




https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2022-05-03/oklahoma-governor-signs-texas-style-abortion-ban-into-law

The Act Blue awareness campaigns plus craziness like this *might* get people to call their representatives and insist on the Federal Law to protect women/abortion.

Schumer already said the Senate is going to hold a vote on what the House passed in the fall.

Manchin has said he will not allow it.

We’ll see what “I’m so shocked” Collins and Murkowski have to say. In the meantime, I’ve said it before and I’ve said it again. Put the screws to Manchin with his own constituents.

WV is a toxic shithole full of brainwashed republicans. I would not count of them to put pressure on Manchin to do the right thing here.

Are you kidding? Manchin’s constituents put huge pressure on him to vote for BBB, but whoever bought his vote paid him handsomely enough.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m making myself read the damn thing and I don’t think I’ve ever been more disgusted. Apparently women have no fundamental rights to bodily autonomy that are rooted in the country’s history. Well. That sounds about right.

Expand the court.

Just curious, did you support or were against mandatory Covid vaccinations in order to work, attend college, go to school, participate in life, travel, get hospital treatments, etc?

Just curious. Is pregnancy airborne?

Just curious. Does getting a vaccination to participate in social things last for 9 painful months of your body completely being altered in a potentially dangerous way and then needing to go through a long, extremely harrowing and bloody process to expel an expensive being that you'll be responsible for over the next 18 years?

Just curious, is someone actually strapping you to a table to inject the vaccination against your will? Or is it YOUR CHOICE whether you get it or not? Obviously that choice can have consequences. Just like the choice of whether to keep a pregnancy!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m making myself read the damn thing and I don’t think I’ve ever been more disgusted. Apparently women have no fundamental rights to bodily autonomy that are rooted in the country’s history. Well. That sounds about right.

Expand the court.

Also historians are pointing out that Alito’s main assumption is incorrect. In most states, abortion was legal before quickening. Deeply rooted in history.

Like facts are going to change the forced birther’s obsession with birth.

Seriously, is it a fetish? I’m beginning to suspect that the GOP is playing one giant nonconsensual sex game with us all.

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Anonymous wrote:Doctor writes of the harrowing discovery that an 11 year old patient was pregnant.

For today's GOP, it's the fetus inside her that was the more important entity. They would force girls like her to give birth.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/abortion-11-year-old-pregnant_n_6266e555e4b07c34e9e4cb27?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-huffpost&utm_content=later-26564348&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio&fbclid=IwAR1SKXK-6lcMF98-t85O9Bw_3K7KLsDdsdERFDoGZ5C0AEARZsq1oEU3ZII

Republicans are groomers and pedophiles who celebrate the forcible impregnation of children.

Truer words have never been written.

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This is a good thread

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Anonymous wrote:I’m making myself read the damn thing and I don’t think I’ve ever been more disgusted. Apparently women have no fundamental rights to bodily autonomy that are rooted in the country’s history. Well. That sounds about right.

Expand the court.

Also historians are pointing out that Alito’s main assumption is incorrect. In most states, abortion was legal before quickening. Deeply rooted in history.

Well then, historians don’t know that the absence of criminal prohibitions is not the same as the presence of a deeply rooted right. If it were tuxedo Wednesdays would be a fundamental right

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Thank you, on behalf of the f**king pieces of garbage on this thread who needs the obvious explained to them of why VASTLY limiting individual freedoms is a massive movement towards authoritarianism.

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Anonymous wrote:Doctor writes of the harrowing discovery that an 11 year old patient was pregnant.

For today's GOP, it's the fetus inside her that was the more important entity. They would force girls like her to give birth.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/abortion-11-year-old-pregnant_n_6266e555e4b07c34e9e4cb27?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-huffpost&utm_content=later-26564348&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio&fbclid=IwAR1SKXK-6lcMF98-t85O9Bw_3K7KLsDdsdERFDoGZ5C0AEARZsq1oEU3ZII

Republicans are groomers and pedophiles who celebrate the forcible impregnation of children.

Truer words have never been written.

Also in line w/ them being a literal death cult that seeks to cause the painful and unnecessary death of as many people as they possibly can without having to actually shoot us in the face directly. That’s coming, but they aren’t quite ready for that

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Anonymous wrote:I’m making myself read the damn thing and I don’t think I’ve ever been more disgusted. Apparently women have no fundamental rights to bodily autonomy that are rooted in the country’s history. Well. That sounds about right.

Expand the court.

Also historians are pointing out that Alito’s main assumption is incorrect. In most states, abortion was legal before quickening. Deeply rooted in history.

Abortion has been “legal” for far more centuries than it hasn’t. Women have always found ways to care for themselves and the families.

Abortion has been around for as long as humans have had sex. And it always will be. No matter what cons try to do to suppress it and how dangerous a procedure they make it by forcing it to go underground.

Exactly. And is it any surprise that abortion started becoming recognized as a fundamental right shortly after the full enfranchisement of women? damn these people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m making myself read the damn thing and I don’t think I’ve ever been more disgusted. Apparently women have no fundamental rights to bodily autonomy that are rooted in the country’s history. Well. That sounds about right.

Expand the court.

Also historians are pointing out that Alito’s main assumption is incorrect. In most states, abortion was legal before quickening. Deeply rooted in history.

Well then, historians don’t know that the absence of criminal prohibitions is not the same as the presence of a deeply rooted right. If it were tuxedo Wednesdays would be a fundamental right

So the presence of criminal prohibitions on certain activity means there is no underlying right being violated by those prohibitions? That’s how we get from constitutional democracy to authoritarianism folks.

[Anonymous]

I'm a Democrat, pro-choice, and a law professor. With that said, I agree with Justice Ginsburg: the logic of Roe was haphazardly pieced together. Casey is proof of that. My sincere hope is the final decision gives some limited federal protection at the federal level, kicks it back to the states, and opens the door for an equal protections argument in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democrat, pro-choice, and a law professor. With that said, I agree with Justice Ginsburg: the logic of Roe was haphazardly pieced together. Casey is proof of that. My sincere hope is the final decision gives some limited federal protection at the federal level, kicks it back to the states, and opens the door for an equal protections argument in the future.

In other words, you do not believe women have the right to bodily autonomy or to make their own medical decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democrat, pro-choice, and a law professor. With that said, I agree with Justice Ginsburg: the logic of Roe was haphazardly pieced together. Casey is proof of that. My sincere hope is the final decision gives some limited federal protection at the federal level, kicks it back to the states, and opens the door for an equal protections argument in the future.

In other words, you do not believe women have the right to bodily autonomy or to make their own medical decisions.

I do, but the Roe legal argument was not super great. Roe should be about equal protection, not privacy.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m making myself read the damn thing and I don’t think I’ve ever been more disgusted. Apparently women have no fundamental rights to bodily autonomy that are rooted in the country’s history. Well. That sounds about right.

Expand the court.

Also historians are pointing out that Alito’s main assumption is incorrect. In most states, abortion was legal before quickening. Deeply rooted in history.

Well then, historians don’t know that the absence of criminal prohibitions is not the same as the presence of a deeply rooted right. If it were tuxedo Wednesdays would be a fundamental right

Abortion and contraception was legal in the US before Emancipation. Chew on that, and understand what that REALLY means.