AAP Center Expansion?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Plus, once you get to HS, it truly is Honors for all! Or at least, honors for all who want it...

Yes and the difference from AAP middle school is staggering. We are back to unfocused, shouldn’t be there trouble makers even in honors classes in high school because it’s open enrollment. AAP classes in middle school were amazing. Honors classes in high school are a complete joke. You have to actually get to the AP level to weed out losers which sucks. AAP was nice. Wish they still have it in HS.

Wow.

I’m sure the apple fall far from the tree with the kid(s) of that parent. Karma may come back to bite them when AI replaces the positions for which they groomed their children so carefully.

Don’t worry. AI will also replace your kids jobs too. Barista, fry cook and Uber driver.

Nah my kids will have soft skills and connections to lean on. Unlike your socially stunted offspring.

Just make sure your kid leaves room for cream and sugar in my coffee. Thanks in advance.

I bet more than one person has spit in the coffee you ordered.

Just like how God spit on your life.

All good here! Sorry you’re mad that the rest of the world doesn’t think your kids are as special as you believe them to be. Make sure you link them up with a good therapist so they can work through the issues you created for them.

No one is mad here. Just make sure your kid gets my drive through order right and we’ll be all good honey.

In case you haven't noticed, elitists like you are getting your comeuppance right now. Hope you're enjoying the environment you helped create.

Just tell your kids to make my coffee great again!

Have you been tracking the unemployment data for college educated people? My kids are young and have time to ride out the storm. Yours are much more likely to be making my coffee in the near future.

The only way my kids would serve food or drink to yours is if they volunteered in soup kitchen for vagrants.

NP. Would you guys both just shut up? JFC. Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Does this mean that we will have enough busses to scrap the awful start time survey options they've sent out???

No, that’s what the idiots don’t understand. Eliminating busing to AAP centers won’t really help at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a full list, but Robinson has no AAP program.

Anonymous wrote:What middle schools do not currently offer some sort of AAP program? Chat GPT is failing me. I was hoping this could be done in one fell swoop along with the boundary changes, but with Reid mentioning a multi yea process, I assume those would be last to implement.

Key

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Anonymous wrote:Does this mean that we will have enough busses to scrap the awful start time survey options they've sent out???

No, that’s what the idiots don’t understand. Eliminating busing to AAP centers won’t really help at all.

Of course, it will help. We have multiple buses running through my neighborhood for middle school. Lots of neighborhoods have this. They should do the same with elementary schools, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Does this mean that we will have enough busses to scrap the awful start time survey options they've sent out???

No, that’s what the idiots don’t understand. Eliminating busing to AAP centers won’t really help at all.

Of course, it will help. We have multiple buses running through my neighborhood for middle school. Lots of neighborhoods have this. They should do the same with elementary schools, too.

Very few kids are within the walk zone for middle school.

Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

Where the benefit will occur is that if AAP is added to every middle school in the county, with zero AAP transfers between schools at the middle school level, is in the area of high school transfers, pupil placement to other high schools, and brain drain from the lower performing high schools.

Smart kids will be less likely to transfer out of their zoned high schools if they remain at their middle schools for AAP, raising test scores at the poor performing high schools.

Putting AAP at every middle school will benefit the high schools. It is a neutral for the middle schools, including bus costs.

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Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

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Few of those buses are overflowing. It will definitely cut the number of buses.
Most of those being bused to AAP centers out of their boundary are going longer distances. Longer distances require more buses because of the time required --in other words, they are not as able to take another run. And, it is greater gas expense.

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Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

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Few of those buses are overflowing. It will definitely cut the number of buses.
Most of those being bused to AAP centers out of their boundary are going longer distances. Longer distances require more buses because of the time required --in other words, they are not as able to take another run. And, it is greater gas expense.

No, it won't.

Those kids will still be on crowded busses, just going to a different school.

It will make no notable difference to the buss costs or crowded busses to put AAP at every middle school.

Most middle school students live outside of the walk zone, whether or not the school is an AAP center.

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Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

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Few of those buses are overflowing. It will definitely cut the number of buses.
Most of those being bused to AAP centers out of their boundary are going longer distances. Longer distances require more buses because of the time required --in other words, they are not as able to take another run. And, it is greater gas expense.

No, it won't.

Those kids will still be on crowded busses, just going to a different school.

It will make no notable difference to the buss costs or crowded busses to put AAP at every middle school.

Most middle school students live outside of the walk zone, whether or not the school is an AAP center.

Wow. Suggest you get a map and plot the routes. Double buses going through neighborhoods and longer distances. You really cannot understand that?

An example: Herndon neighborhoods going to Hughes instead of Herndon.
Extra buses and a longer distance. Multiply that across the county. It definitely adds up.

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Why not add AAP to all elementary schools too? The Board said kids reach different levels of learning throughout their lives and should have opportunities available to them so then shouldn’t you have AAP at all elementary schools by that logic? Especially considering they spend 7 years in elementary versus just 2 in middle? Why isn’t bussing an issue at the elementary level too, why only at the middle school level?

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Anonymous wrote:Why not add AAP to all elementary schools too? The Board said kids reach different levels of learning throughout their lives and should have opportunities available to them so then shouldn’t you have AAP at all elementary schools by that logic? Especially considering they spend 7 years in elementary versus just 2 in middle? Why isn’t bussing an issue at the elementary level too, why only at the middle school level?

Yes! This.

I was a teacher and I know that kids take spurts at different times. And, AAP is definitely not the old GT.

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Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

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Few of those buses are overflowing. It will definitely cut the number of buses.
Most of those being bused to AAP centers out of their boundary are going longer distances. Longer distances require more buses because of the time required --in other words, they are not as able to take another run. And, it is greater gas expense.

No, it won't.

Those kids will still be on crowded busses, just going to a different school.

It will make no notable difference to the buss costs or crowded busses to put AAP at every middle school.

Most middle school students live outside of the walk zone, whether or not the school is an AAP center.

Wow. Suggest you get a map and plot the routes. Double buses going through neighborhoods and longer distances. You really cannot understand that?

An example: Herndon neighborhoods going to Hughes instead of Herndon.
Extra buses and a longer distance. Multiply that across the county. It definitely adds up.

It does not equate to more buses. It equates to more bus stops and therefore longer bus runs. The primary saving is in time. Kids spending less time on a bus is a good thing.

Long bus routes won’t be eliminated, though, so it’s doubtful this will have any impact on school start times.

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Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

Disagree:

Few of those buses are overflowing. It will definitely cut the number of buses.
Most of those being bused to AAP centers out of their boundary are going longer distances. Longer distances require more buses because of the time required --in other words, they are not as able to take another run. And, it is greater gas expense.

No, it won't.

Those kids will still be on crowded busses, just going to a different school.

It will make no notable difference to the buss costs or crowded busses to put AAP at every middle school.

Most middle school students live outside of the walk zone, whether or not the school is an AAP center.

Wow. Suggest you get a map and plot the routes. Double buses going through neighborhoods and longer distances. You really cannot understand that?

An example: Herndon neighborhoods going to Hughes instead of Herndon.
Extra buses and a longer distance. Multiply that across the county. It definitely adds up.

It does not equate to more buses. It equates to more bus stops and therefore longer bus runs. The primary saving is in time. Kids spending less time on a bus is a good thing.

Long bus routes won’t be eliminated, though, so it’s doubtful this will have any impact on school start times.

You've never worked in logistics have you?

Of course, many long bus routes will be eliminated. I've no idea how many, but it might have a positive effect on school start times. If they would do this at the elementary schools, it would definitely have an impact on school start times.
In any case, it will be a money savings and likely make the bus routes more economical. It makes sense.

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Half of the middle schools have no AAP center. That means that half of the middle schools have double busing to another middle school.

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Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

Disagree:

Few of those buses are overflowing. It will definitely cut the number of buses.
Most of those being bused to AAP centers out of their boundary are going longer distances. Longer distances require more buses because of the time required --in other words, they are not as able to take another run. And, it is greater gas expense.

No, it won't.

Those kids will still be on crowded busses, just going to a different school.

It will make no notable difference to the buss costs or crowded busses to put AAP at every middle school.

Most middle school students live outside of the walk zone, whether or not the school is an AAP center.

Wow. Suggest you get a map and plot the routes. Double buses going through neighborhoods and longer distances. You really cannot understand that?

An example: Herndon neighborhoods going to Hughes instead of Herndon.
Extra buses and a longer distance. Multiply that across the county. It definitely adds up.

It does not equate to more buses. It equates to more bus stops and therefore longer bus runs. The primary saving is in time. Kids spending less time on a bus is a good thing.

Long bus routes won’t be eliminated, though, so it’s doubtful this will have any impact on school start times.

You've never worked in logistics have you?

Of course, many long bus routes will be eliminated. I've no idea how many, but it might have a positive effect on school start times. If they would do this at the elementary schools, it would definitely have an impact on school start times.
In any case, it will be a money savings and likely make the bus routes more economical. It makes sense.

You are wrong.

[Anonymous]

From Kyle McDaniel’s email this morning:

“Right now, there are 12 middle schools that have no AAP center, representing 10 high school pyramids: Herndon, Madison, Mount Vernon, Centreville, Robinson, West Springfield, Westfield, Hayfield, Lewis, and Annandale. My colleague, Dr. Anderson from the Mason District, moved a separate item to establish an AAP center at Poe Middle School to serve the Annandale pyramid, which I was happy to second and support.”

I think this change to put AAP in all middles is a good thing. It should reduce transportation costs and times at the very least. Like right now, kids in bounds for Key/Lewis are being bussed to either Twain or Lake Braddock for AAP and kids at Hayfield are also being bussed to Twain. If you’re out in Clifton zoned for Robinson, you’re also at LB for AAP and that is a haul.