Integrated Math roll out?

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Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

Right, which is why they are saying kids will have to do dual enrollment. They are not going to have MVC in all schools.

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Is the mcps secondary math office consulting with any colleges/universities with this roll out?

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Anonymous wrote:Is the mcps secondary math office consulting with any colleges/universities with this roll out?

I don't think so. At this point, they are just trying to work through everything to be able to meet state requirements. This is a big change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

There's going to be four different two-class math sequences offered at all schools for 11th and 12th graders. So if they finish calc early they can do one of the others, like stats or data science.

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Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

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this seems like a problem for students transferring into an mcps high school having taken just Alg 1 in 8th and not "integrated"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

There's going to be four different two-class math sequences offered at all schools for 11th and 12th graders. So if they finish calc early they can do one of the others, like stats or data science.

Unless you are a math-attuned student at one of the wealthy schools. Then you'll be accessing post-Calc BC college-level courses like MVC, DE & LA right at your own school for your junior and senior year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

There's going to be four different two-class math sequences offered at all schools for 11th and 12th graders. So if they finish calc early they can do one of the others, like stats or data science.

Unless you are a math-attuned student at one of the wealthy schools. Then you'll be accessing post-Calc BC college-level courses like MVC, DE & LA right at your own school for your junior and senior year.

It's not based on wealth; it's based on number of student able and willing to enroll in the course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this seems like a problem for students transferring into an mcps high school having taken just Alg 1 in 8th and not "integrated"

And the reverse is also a problem today. USA doesn't have standardized curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

There's going to be four different two-class math sequences offered at all schools for 11th and 12th graders. So if they finish calc early they can do one of the others, like stats or data science.

More likely they will do DE, because they didn't get 2 years ahead in math just to switch to social science afterwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

Please cite your sources.

Jennifer Loznak, Supervisor, Secondary Mathematics

That's hearsay, not a source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

This is incorrect. The new integrated sequence is trimming material not needed for NON calculus track.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

Thanks for posting this. From a glance of the notes from the most recent 2 meetings, it seems like the committee seems to recognize there's a gap between AI2 and Pre-Calc and is trying to figure out how to bridge it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

There's going to be four different two-class math sequences offered at all schools for 11th and 12th graders. So if they finish calc early they can do one of the others, like stats or data science.

Unless you are a math-attuned student at one of the wealthy schools. Then you'll be accessing post-Calc BC college-level courses like MVC, DE & LA right at your own school for your junior and senior year.

It's not based on wealth; it's based on number of student able and willing to enroll in the course.

You really have not been paying attention, have you?

Schools with greater needs associated with lack of wealth and difficulty with language have used their limited funding, which is not fully proportional to that need, more and more for those populations, particularly as test data shows widening gaps. In doing so, they have reduced funding for such classes for students at those schools with higher academic need. They have reinforced this by discouraging students from reaching for advanced options in the first place and imposing unnecessary prerequisite requirements, even when there are enough students able and willing to enroll in a course. (E.g., "I don't care what other schools allow. Here we say Calc AB before Calc BC." -- BC incorporates AB, of course, just moving faster to cover the next level, but that approach lets them stretch it over two years so they don't have to offer more to advanced students).

The results? Better students apply to magnets just to access what should be available at their home school, but few get in. The marginal brain drain, meanwhile, is self-reinforcing, with the kicker of fewer helping provide examples to others combining with lack of awareness of options among the community, hampering the very progress among those not performing well which they seek to engender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

There's going to be four different two-class math sequences offered at all schools for 11th and 12th graders. So if they finish calc early they can do one of the others, like stats or data science.

Unless you are a math-attuned student at one of the wealthy schools. Then you'll be accessing post-Calc BC college-level courses like MVC, DE & LA right at your own school for your junior and senior year.

It's not based on wealth; it's based on number of student able and willing to enroll in the course.

You really have not been paying attention, have you?

Schools with greater needs associated with lack of wealth and difficulty with language have used their limited funding, which is not fully proportional to that need, more and more for those populations, particularly as test data shows widening gaps. In doing so, they have reduced funding for such classes for students at those schools with higher academic need. They have reinforced this by discouraging students from reaching for advanced options in the first place and imposing unnecessary prerequisite requirements, even when there are enough students able and willing to enroll in a course. (E.g., "I don't care what other schools allow. Here we say Calc AB before Calc BC." -- BC incorporates AB, of course, just moving faster to cover the next level, but that approach lets them stretch it over two years so they don't have to offer more to advanced students).

The results? Better students apply to magnets just to access what should be available at their home school, but few get in. The marginal brain drain, meanwhile, is self-reinforcing, with the kicker of fewer helping provide examples to others combining with lack of awareness of options among the community, hampering the very progress among those not performing well which they seek to engender.

This!