Integrated Math roll out?

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Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

Right, which is why they are saying kids will have to do dual enrollment. They are not going to have MVC in all schools.

If a kid has a bad day and doesn’t do great on the ap exam, which has to be a 4 or 5, no 3 allowed, they cannot do dual enrollment for MC. So, that can leave them without a year of math to graduate if you include statistics one year.

You can take math 182 (calc 2)over the summer to fill in the gaps that left to getting a 3 (equivalent to a C) or lower on Calc BC. It's not a good idea to continue into calc 3 without a solid understanding of calc 1 and 2.

Just because you don't do well on the AP exam doesn't mean yu don't have a good understanding. Calc 3 is much easier than Calc BC. And, MCPS doesn't offer Calc BC over the summer and MC will not let you take Calc 2, without taking Calc 1 first.

Please... not the "bad test taker" myth. If you are solid, you will at least get a 4 on the exam, which has one of the highest pass rates.

No, its not.

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Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

Thanks for posting this. From a glance of the notes from the most recent 2 meetings, it seems like the committee seems to recognize there's a gap between AI2 and Pre-Calc and is trying to figure out how to bridge it.

DP. Where are you seeing that? Here is from one of the set of minutes:

Ruth Goldstraw and Kevin Dalismer raised concerns that some students may not be fully prepared for Precalculus after Integrated Algebra 2 and suggested an optional bridge course.

Robert Richardson clarified that (1) AP Precalculus requires no prerequisites beyond Integrated Algebra 2; (2) dual enrollment remains available in all pathways; and (3) Maryland intends to use co-requisite or alongside support rather than adding courses that could slow progress or create
inequitable tracking.

Sign your kids up for AOPS and RSM!

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/documents/dcaa/math/sfvc/secondary/2025-12-04-meeting-2-minutes-a.pdf

Also, AP precalculus is not a rigorous course. It's for kids who wouldn't normally take calculus to have a capstone math course. Honors is much harder. MCPS needs to think about how to transition kids from the integrated sequence to honors precalculus.

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Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

Thanks for posting this. From a glance of the notes from the most recent 2 meetings, it seems like the committee seems to recognize there's a gap between AI2 and Pre-Calc and is trying to figure out how to bridge it.

DP. Where are you seeing that? Here is from one of the set of minutes:

Ruth Goldstraw and Kevin Dalismer raised concerns that some students may not be fully prepared for Precalculus after Integrated Algebra 2 and suggested an optional bridge course.

Robert Richardson clarified that (1) AP Precalculus requires no prerequisites beyond Integrated Algebra 2; (2) dual enrollment remains available in all pathways; and (3) Maryland intends to use co-requisite or alongside support rather than adding courses that could slow progress or create
inequitable tracking.

Sign your kids up for AOPS and RSM!

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/documents/dcaa/math/sfvc/secondary/2025-12-04-meeting-2-minutes-a.pdf

I think that part of the conversation is around a suggestion that some kids get a "slow" track between integrated algebra and pre-calc (i.e. that would keep kids who take IA 1 in 9th and IA2 in 10th from getting to calculus in 12th if they're forced to take two years of pre-calc, and that they want to provide support/resource classes for those kids to keep them at the regular pace rather than making them go slower than their peers.

Different question from "do all kids need two years of classes between IA2 and calc?"

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Anonymous wrote:PP up there, please. ame a school and a year that had a class full of kids so tried to sign up for a class it were refused, so we can help advocate for them.

We have access to that data? Where?

Seriously, just turn your thought on its head. Show us the enrollment in all the classes for each school beyond those available/held regularly at all schools. Is every level of every non-Spanish/non-French language class at Whitman full? Same for all of their advanced STEM/electives not commonly available across the system? ELA/writing/Humanities? They don't have magnets in those subject areas (yet).

And that would just be one bit. How many class sections does Whitman need to run to address remedial need, and how does this affect available funding levels for the above (high-level/relatively bespoke class options) relative to other schools? How has having had those advanced/elective classes available for years enabled consideration/planning/reaching by families/students that would be less common in the catchments of schools where such options are less well known or simply known to be out of reach from the perspective of that which MCPS supplies to them with its paradigm?

Nice declining to use the reply function so that that context and nuance of the equity thought you are challenging might get lost. The thought that MCPS should not have to address individual need on a reasonably equivalent basis across schools is flat out wrong, and the insinuation that students in less wealthy areas wouldn't be interested in greater academic opportunity in any number large enough to field a class is disgusting.

We aren't talking about Whitman that has enough classes. Get out of your W school bubble. Smart kids are all over the county.

You seem to have trouble understanding the intent of the post.

"Turn your thought on its head," remember? If the poster challenging the equity thought was doing so based on an insinuation that less wealthy schools denied options only when a class wouldn't be "full of kids" (as though that is reason enough not to provide it), then it makes sense that only classes similarly full of kids should be available at a place like Whitman, too.

We know Whitman has all of those courses. The post then was using the Whitman example to highlight, given the low likelihood that all of Whitman's advanced/not universally available classes are "full of kids," the ridiculousness of MCPS not ensuring similar opportunity at all of its schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

Thanks for posting this. From a glance of the notes from the most recent 2 meetings, it seems like the committee seems to recognize there's a gap between AI2 and Pre-Calc and is trying to figure out how to bridge it.

DP. Where are you seeing that? Here is from one of the set of minutes:

Ruth Goldstraw and Kevin Dalismer raised concerns that some students may not be fully prepared for Precalculus after Integrated Algebra 2 and suggested an optional bridge course.

Robert Richardson clarified that (1) AP Precalculus requires no prerequisites beyond Integrated Algebra 2; (2) dual enrollment remains available in all pathways; and (3) Maryland intends to use co-requisite or alongside support rather than adding courses that could slow progress or create
inequitable tracking.

Sign your kids up for AOPS and RSM!

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/documents/dcaa/math/sfvc/secondary/2025-12-04-meeting-2-minutes-a.pdf

Also, AP precalculus is not a rigorous course. It's for kids who wouldn't normally take calculus to have a capstone math course. Honors is much harder. MCPS needs to think about how to transition kids from the integrated sequence to honors precalculus.

You think they are going to keep Honors PreCalc, having to provide either the extra support or allow for differential pathways, when they could just keep the AP version, make some handwaiving claim about its carrying the same GPA boost and be done with it?

Except at the Ws, of course

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Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

Thanks for posting this. From a glance of the notes from the most recent 2 meetings, it seems like the committee seems to recognize there's a gap between AI2 and Pre-Calc and is trying to figure out how to bridge it.

DP. Where are you seeing that? Here is from one of the set of minutes:

Ruth Goldstraw and Kevin Dalismer raised concerns that some students may not be fully prepared for Precalculus after Integrated Algebra 2 and suggested an optional bridge course.

Robert Richardson clarified that (1) AP Precalculus requires no prerequisites beyond Integrated Algebra 2; (2) dual enrollment remains available in all pathways; and (3) Maryland intends to use co-requisite or alongside support rather than adding courses that could slow progress or create
inequitable tracking.

Sign your kids up for AOPS and RSM!

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/documents/dcaa/math/sfvc/secondary/2025-12-04-meeting-2-minutes-a.pdf

Also, AP precalculus is not a rigorous course. It's for kids who wouldn't normally take calculus to have a capstone math course. Honors is much harder. MCPS needs to think about how to transition kids from the integrated sequence to honors precalculus.

You think they are going to keep Honors PreCalc, having to provide either the extra support or allow for differential pathways, when they could just keep the AP version, make some handwaiving claim about its carrying the same GPA boost and be done with it?

Except at the Ws, of course

Many schools don’t have ap precal.

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Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

Thanks for posting this. From a glance of the notes from the most recent 2 meetings, it seems like the committee seems to recognize there's a gap between AI2 and Pre-Calc and is trying to figure out how to bridge it.

DP. Where are you seeing that? Here is from one of the set of minutes:

Ruth Goldstraw and Kevin Dalismer raised concerns that some students may not be fully prepared for Precalculus after Integrated Algebra 2 and suggested an optional bridge course.

Robert Richardson clarified that (1) AP Precalculus requires no prerequisites beyond Integrated Algebra 2; (2) dual enrollment remains available in all pathways; and (3) Maryland intends to use co-requisite or alongside support rather than adding courses that could slow progress or create
inequitable tracking.

Sign your kids up for AOPS and RSM!

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/documents/dcaa/math/sfvc/secondary/2025-12-04-meeting-2-minutes-a.pdf

Also, AP precalculus is not a rigorous course. It's for kids who wouldn't normally take calculus to have a capstone math course. Honors is much harder. MCPS needs to think about how to transition kids from the integrated sequence to honors precalculus.

You think they are going to keep Honors PreCalc, having to provide either the extra support or allow for differential pathways, when they could just keep the AP version, make some handwaiving claim about its carrying the same GPA boost and be done with it?

Except at the Ws, of course

Many schools don’t have ap precal.

And, so...???

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Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

Right, which is why they are saying kids will have to do dual enrollment. They are not going to have MVC in all schools.

If a kid has a bad day and doesn’t do great on the ap exam, which has to be a 4 or 5, no 3 allowed, they cannot do dual enrollment for MC. So, that can leave them without a year of math to graduate if you include statistics one year.

You can take math 182 (calc 2)over the summer to fill in the gaps that left to getting a 3 (equivalent to a C) or lower on Calc BC. It's not a good idea to continue into calc 3 without a solid understanding of calc 1 and 2.

Just because you don't do well on the AP exam doesn't mean yu don't have a good understanding. Calc 3 is much easier than Calc BC. And, MCPS doesn't offer Calc BC over the summer and MC will not let you take Calc 2, without taking Calc 1 first.

Please... not the "bad test taker" myth. If you are solid, you will at least get a 4 on the exam, which has one of the highest pass rates.

No, its not.

Again, you need to know something before posting:

2025 Score Distribution:
AP Calculus BC 44.0% 21.9% 12.8% 15.2% 6.2% 78.6%

44% of the test takers received 5s; another 22% 4s; a total of 78.6% passed. If your "solid" student was in the bottom 34%, they should re-take Calc 2.

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Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

Right, which is why they are saying kids will have to do dual enrollment. They are not going to have MVC in all schools.

If a kid has a bad day and doesn’t do great on the ap exam, which has to be a 4 or 5, no 3 allowed, they cannot do dual enrollment for MC. So, that can leave them without a year of math to graduate if you include statistics one year.

You can take math 182 (calc 2)over the summer to fill in the gaps that left to getting a 3 (equivalent to a C) or lower on Calc BC. It's not a good idea to continue into calc 3 without a solid understanding of calc 1 and 2.

You could also repeat AP Calculus BC for a higher grade. Though it would have been better for someone like that to start with AB and then continue to BC.

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Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

Thanks for posting this. From a glance of the notes from the most recent 2 meetings, it seems like the committee seems to recognize there's a gap between AI2 and Pre-Calc and is trying to figure out how to bridge it.

DP. Where are you seeing that? Here is from one of the set of minutes:

Ruth Goldstraw and Kevin Dalismer raised concerns that some students may not be fully prepared for Precalculus after Integrated Algebra 2 and suggested an optional bridge course.

Robert Richardson clarified that (1) AP Precalculus requires no prerequisites beyond Integrated Algebra 2; (2) dual enrollment remains available in all pathways; and (3) Maryland intends to use co-requisite or alongside support rather than adding courses that could slow progress or create
inequitable tracking.

Sign your kids up for AOPS and RSM!

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/documents/dcaa/math/sfvc/secondary/2025-12-04-meeting-2-minutes-a.pdf

Also, AP precalculus is not a rigorous course. It's for kids who wouldn't normally take calculus to have a capstone math course. Honors is much harder. MCPS needs to think about how to transition kids from the integrated sequence to honors precalculus.

You think they are going to keep Honors PreCalc, having to provide either the extra support or allow for differential pathways, when they could just keep the AP version, make some handwaiving claim about its carrying the same GPA boost and be done with it?

Except at the Ws, of course

Many schools don’t have ap precal.

Which is a good thing. It's a joke of a course. Just a College Board money grab.

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Anonymous wrote:Integrated Algebra 1 and 2. Wow. MSDE themselves say that it might not provide enough material, so get what they go and do. After Integrated Algebra 2 they say that you pick "a math elective class based on the student's career" and one of these choices is called... Guess what, Algebraic Foundations of Calculus. Don't we already have Precalculus? Do we really need this? Why don't you just do the 1, 2 and 3 to make it less confusing.

Pretty sure it's because they want to get the kids who are not on the calc track into other classes quicker rather than make them take 3 years of integrated algebra.

And yet MCPS is saying the state won’t let them create an integrated math 3 class for those just on the calc track. Makes no sense.

This is still TBD (well, it wouldn't be three years of integrated algebra, but instead two years of pre-calc, but same basic effect.). If you want to track what the state is thinking on this, follow this page and the minutes of the committees developing the recommendations on this: https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/pages/dcaa/math/sfvc-secondary-mathematics-pathways.aspx

Thanks for posting this. From a glance of the notes from the most recent 2 meetings, it seems like the committee seems to recognize there's a gap between AI2 and Pre-Calc and is trying to figure out how to bridge it.

DP. Where are you seeing that? Here is from one of the set of minutes:

Ruth Goldstraw and Kevin Dalismer raised concerns that some students may not be fully prepared for Precalculus after Integrated Algebra 2 and suggested an optional bridge course.

Robert Richardson clarified that (1) AP Precalculus requires no prerequisites beyond Integrated Algebra 2; (2) dual enrollment remains available in all pathways; and (3) Maryland intends to use co-requisite or alongside support rather than adding courses that could slow progress or create
inequitable tracking.

Sign your kids up for AOPS and RSM!

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/documents/dcaa/math/sfvc/secondary/2025-12-04-meeting-2-minutes-a.pdf

Also, AP precalculus is not a rigorous course. It's for kids who wouldn't normally take calculus to have a capstone math course. Honors is much harder. MCPS needs to think about how to transition kids from the integrated sequence to honors precalculus.

You think they are going to keep Honors PreCalc, having to provide either the extra support or allow for differential pathways, when they could just keep the AP version, make some handwaiving claim about its carrying the same GPA boost and be done with it?

Except at the Ws, of course

Many schools don’t have ap precal.

Which is a good thing. It's a joke of a course. Just a College Board money grab.

If the teacher used the textbook I would think its better. When the kids take AP classes without textbooks, often all the material isn't covered so exept if they self-study its impossible to do well. Its not a money grab as colleges want AP exams so its helpful for kids who aren't going to take AP Calc.

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Anonymous wrote:Could MCPS just make a "Pre-Calc 1" and "Pre-Calc 2" two-year sequence?

They could. For the moment, it does not appear that they intend to do so.

If there was such developed, they would need to overlap/preserve the current PreCalc options for a year so that those exiting from the three-year Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 would have something relevant to them at the same time that those (originally a year behind them) exiting the two-year Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 sequence. And maybe develop a one-year accelerated PreCalc (combining PreCalc 1 & 2 like the current PreAlgebra combines Math 7 & Math 8) for those needing that greater pace.

Hopefully they do. With this set up, a lot of kids will be taking Pre-Calc in 9th, right? And not all of them will be at schools that have post-Calc math. So unless they get rid of the requirement for 4 math credits in HS...

MCPS is saying thatbis what dial enrollment is for.

They do not intent to have a two-year precalc sequence. They say the new integrated sequence will prepare kids for honors pre-calc becauee it arranged materials better than the current theee-year sequence. It will take more kids failing than do now for them to change their minds. Which will eventually happen. But watch out if your kids are caught up in the start of this rollout.

If kids start this in 7th, without geometry at some schools they will not have enough math classes to graduate.

Right, which is why they are saying kids will have to do dual enrollment. They are not going to have MVC in all schools.

If a kid has a bad day and doesn’t do great on the ap exam, which has to be a 4 or 5, no 3 allowed, they cannot do dual enrollment for MC. So, that can leave them without a year of math to graduate if you include statistics one year.

You can take math 182 (calc 2)over the summer to fill in the gaps that left to getting a 3 (equivalent to a C) or lower on Calc BC. It's not a good idea to continue into calc 3 without a solid understanding of calc 1 and 2.

You could also repeat AP Calculus BC for a higher grade. Though it would have been better for someone like that to start with AB and then continue to BC.

You are better just doing dual enrollment from the start. You cannot repeat it for a higher grade if you did well in the class and got A's.