Dual citizen here -I want to leave this country

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Anonymous wrote:A child needs a family with two parents more than a ‘better’ country. Grow up.

With all the mass shootings in this country it’s a gamble living here.

If we hadn't let in so many illegals then we wouldn't be in this situation.

Go read actual data about who commits most firearm homicides in the US.

Don’t ask Fix or some bro podcast. Read actual data. You are frighteningly uninformed!!

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Anonymous wrote:For all this country’s flaws, there is nowhere else that offers the same opportunities and nowhere without equal or greater flaws. There’s a reason millions try to immigrate here.

Whatever are you in about? Plenty of countries offer the same or better opportunities. Denmark, Sweden and Finland all rank higher than the US in the Global Opportunity Index created by the Milken Institute. And I would venture their flaws pale compared to the structural issues plaguing this country.

Far fewer job opportunities for the ambitious, salaries are typically much lower. Very unwelcoming to non natives. Not to mention long, dark, depressing winters.

I love Denmark but I'm not kidding myself either. There are virtues to Denmark, if you are Danish, and there are virtues to the US. And especially if you're not a "native" American.

Like this country is welcoming to non-natives? Come on, now.

And half the country has long, hot, miserably humid summers.

Just stop. You sound stupid.

America, with its original sins of slavery and genocide, is not a great country.

North America received just 4% of the slave trade that came to the Americas. While clearly the only acceptable percentage is zero, we definitely were not the main consumers in this hemisphere.

Why the 4% number to minimize slavery in the U.S?


"Approximately 388,000 Africans were directly imported to the US during the entire transatlantic slave trade.

The vast majority of enslaved people in the US (around 4 million by the time of the Civil War) were born into slavery within the US. "

NP - tired of the unique focus on the United States. Ever hear people browbeating Spain? Portugal? France? China? Japan? Korea? The Caribbean and Brazil imported millions of slaves, but many were worked to death.

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Anonymous wrote:But my partner (my daughter’s father) won’t go or let her go with me. The country I want to move to is safer (no Trump as they hate him, no guns, etc). I’m so extremely depressed because the USA is at an all time low. I don’t want to raise my daughter here if I have another option. Any advice? A judge would deny this I’m sure. Anyone gone through a similar situation?

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Anonymous wrote:What country?

PS - Saying you want to move because of Trump makes one sound crazy. (FTR, I’m a very liberal Democrat.)

What Trump is doing to the country is insane. Who wants to live in the USA now if they don’t have to?

You are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people are being such AHs to OP in this thread, but I am against it.

OP, you can’t “just leave”—it’s kidnapping.

But there is nothing wrong with feeling that this situation is too much for you right now. It’s a lot, it is in meaningful ways different from and more extreme than many of the harder times in American life before it, and there is no guarantee that it will work out well for any specific person who isn’t a billionaire.

My guess is that many of the ruder commenters here are jealous that you have a. option.

No, but all of you are watching and listening to news sources that are hyperbolic and hysterical. There is no situation here that is "more extreme than many of the harder times in American life before" unless you are an illegal gang member. Then, yes, it is more difficult than before, thank god. Otherwise, you all need to look at data, learn more about history and get a grip.

The international students not accused of any crime being kidnapped in broad daylight by men displaying no ID—or anything to reliably identify them as government employees—might differ.

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Hahaha!

OP thinks going someplace where no one is allowed to have a gun is going to make her safe.


That’s hilarious. All of the most dangerous places I’ve been in the world were places where no one had a gun except for the police and the military.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be a case for a lawyer. You would be giving your child such a wonderful opportunity in a better country! And safety. A judge could see that.
If your ex won’t let them go, child will grow to despise them because of the list opportunity.

OP said their “partner” - the child’s father. Not an ex.

Typically, DCUM has focused on the wrong part of this question.

This is a custody question, not a politics question.

What is in the best interest of the child? Two parents here or one parent there?

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn. The America is the bestest crowd are so tedious. Why are there people who are either unadventurous or lack the desire or opportunity to leave the US who always denigrate those who feel differently? That includes those people who travel as tourists or for work trips and think that somehow that affords them some special insight.

Honestly, the "Europe is the best crowd" is also and probably even more tedious because they lack knowledge about both the lifestyle there, and the level to which it is subsidized by both our defense and health care spending. Also tone deaf about race and immigration.

I agree it's tedious in both directions but I don't see any posts here saying "France (or whichever) is the best country in the world!" but I am seeing a multitude of posts saying "America is the best country" and people are branded disloyal for saying they would prefer to live elsewhere for any reason.

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I agree this is a custody question and OP should not make it political.

Can OP demonstrate and quantify that the child's life will be significantly better in the other country? Are there supportive extended family members there (including similar aged cousins) where the child will develop relationships? To include speaking in that language? Does the country offer free health insurance, free college educations?

Would the child live in a home that was free from mortgage (like a family home) or at a significantly lower cost? Would that lower cost home allow the parent more free time with the child?

Can the child's other parent afford to visit child in the country with some frequency? At least once a quarter? Would they be willing to give it a trial for a year?

These are the practical things to look at - not politics.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people are being such AHs to OP in this thread, but I am against it.

OP, you can’t “just leave”—it’s kidnapping.

But there is nothing wrong with feeling that this situation is too much for you right now. It’s a lot, it is in meaningful ways different from and more extreme than many of the harder times in American life before it, and there is no guarantee that it will work out well for any specific person who isn’t a billionaire.

My guess is that many of the ruder commenters here are jealous that you have a. option.

No, but all of you are watching and listening to news sources that are hyperbolic and hysterical. There is no situation here that is "more extreme than many of the harder times in American life before" unless you are an illegal gang member. Then, yes, it is more difficult than before, thank god. Otherwise, you all need to look at data, learn more about history and get a grip.

+1. It makes me wonder if people zoned out during history class or otherwise were never interested in the subject. It’s a bit self absorbed and far fetched to claim that it’s so different and extreme now. I think people in every time period say this anyway so I suppose it’s not unusual. Continue to push for what you think is right but get a grip.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what country doesn’t have any guns.

It is completely illegal to own a handgun in the UK.

Yes, so they take their kitchen knives and slice up children in the streets - or at least they did when I lived there.

But is that the leading cause of death for children (under 18)?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people are being such AHs to OP in this thread, but I am against it.

OP, you can’t “just leave”—it’s kidnapping.

But there is nothing wrong with feeling that this situation is too much for you right now. It’s a lot, it is in meaningful ways different from and more extreme than many of the harder times in American life before it, and there is no guarantee that it will work out well for any specific person who isn’t a billionaire.

My guess is that many of the ruder commenters here are jealous that you have a. option.

No, but all of you are watching and listening to news sources that are hyperbolic and hysterical. There is no situation here that is "more extreme than many of the harder times in American life before" unless you are an illegal gang member. Then, yes, it is more difficult than before, thank god. Otherwise, you all need to look at data, learn more about history and get a grip.

+1. It makes me wonder if people zoned out during history class or otherwise were never interested in the subject. It’s a bit self absorbed and far fetched to claim that it’s so different and extreme now. I think people in every time period say this anyway so I suppose it’s not unusual. Continue to push for what you think is right but get a grip.

The administration is suspending due process for wider and wider swaths of the population. You are foolish if you don’t see that as the threat it is. It is not utterly unprecedented, but it is a perfectly good reason to be considering flight. It often ends poorly when governments start down this path—especially when there is no one acting as a check or balance.

-US historian

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Anonymous wrote:For all this country’s flaws, there is nowhere else that offers the same opportunities and nowhere without equal or greater flaws. There’s a reason millions try to immigrate here.

Whatever are you in about? Plenty of countries offer the same or better opportunities. Denmark, Sweden and Finland all rank higher than the US in the Global Opportunity Index created by the Milken Institute. And I would venture their flaws pale compared to the structural issues plaguing this country.

Far fewer job opportunities for the ambitious, salaries are typically much lower. Very unwelcoming to non natives. Not to mention long, dark, depressing winters.

I love Denmark but I'm not kidding myself either. There are virtues to Denmark, if you are Danish, and there are virtues to the US. And especially if you're not a "native" American.

Like this country is welcoming to non-natives? Come on, now.

And half the country has long, hot, miserably humid summers.

Just stop. You sound stupid.

America, with its original sins of slavery and genocide, is not a great country.

North America received just 4% of the slave trade that came to the Americas. While clearly the only acceptable percentage is zero, we definitely were not the main consumers in this hemisphere.

Why the 4% number to minimize slavery in the U.S?


"Approximately 388,000 Africans were directly imported to the US during the entire transatlantic slave trade.

The vast majority of enslaved people in the US (around 4 million by the time of the Civil War) were born into slavery within the US. "

NP - tired of the unique focus on the United States. Ever hear people browbeating Spain? Portugal? France? China? Japan? Korea? The Caribbean and Brazil imported millions of slaves, but many were worked to death.

Oops.

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Anonymous wrote:You are a parent, OP. The child’s welfare is the highest consideration. In this situation, it is in her best interest to have both parents. In addition, the father has the same parental rights as you do. So you either convince your partner to go, you go alone or you stay. You don’t get to take the child and go. That would be selfish and probably illegal if your child’s other parent opposes it.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:For all this country’s flaws, there is nowhere else that offers the same opportunities and nowhere without equal or greater flaws. There’s a reason millions try to immigrate here.

Inconvenient truth. Face it, OP.