Dual citizen here -I want to leave this country

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What country?

PS - Saying you want to move because of Trump makes one sound crazy. (FTR, I’m a very liberal Democrat.)

What Trump is doing to the country is insane. Who wants to live in the USA now if they don’t have to?

Um…people who recognize our country is still the best and intend to fight for our democracy instead of throwing in the towel?

I’ll never understand the mentality of those who think peacing out is an appropriate response to Trump’s nonsense.

Similarly, I’ll never understand why so many immigrants from elsewhere opt to abandon their homeland in droves rather than work to fix their country. Nothing will ever improve when the prevailing mentality is “Screw you! I’m outta here!”

This country was never the best.

Watch the Jeff Daniels monologue in the opening of “The Newsroom.”

No other country in the world runs around thumping its chest, declaring it is the best. The fact that we so automatically disqualifies us for candidacy for that label.

Welcome to planet Earth. Here every country that has ever been a world power goes around thumping its chest declaring they are the best. Show me a country who doesn't. I challenge you. I've lived in 6 countries, and ALL, even the ones that have never been world powers go around with pride thumping their chest as you put it.

Are you 15? Or just naive?

DP here. I don’t think people have sufficient experience or knowledge to see that every country has plenty of dirty laundry. I don’t fall into the trap of “US is best” but, given the countries I’ve lived in, it’s definitely not bad.

People should make their own choices clear eyed and without the hyperbole. Moving to a different country is perfectly fine and normal. In my view, OP should prioritize staying with her kid. It would be crazy not to do that. Take the longer view and don’t react so strongly to temporary situations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all this country’s flaws, there is nowhere else that offers the same opportunities and nowhere without equal or greater flaws. There’s a reason millions try to immigrate here.

Whatever are you in about? Plenty of countries offer the same or better opportunities. Denmark, Sweden and Finland all rank higher than the US in the Global Opportunity Index created by the Milken Institute. And I would venture their flaws pale compared to the structural issues plaguing this country.

Far fewer job opportunities for the ambitious, salaries are typically much lower. Very unwelcoming to non natives. Not to mention long, dark, depressing winters.

I love Denmark but I'm not kidding myself either. There are virtues to Denmark, if you are Danish, and there are virtues to the US. And especially if you're not a "native" American.

Like this country is welcoming to non-natives? Come on, now.

And half the country has long, hot, miserably humid summers.

Just stop. You sound stupid.

America, with its original sins of slavery and genocide, is not a great country.

North America received just 4% of the slave trade that came to the Americas. While clearly the only acceptable percentage is zero, we definitely were not the main consumers in this hemisphere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What country?

PS - Saying you want to move because of Trump makes one sound crazy. (FTR, I’m a very liberal Democrat.)

What Trump is doing to the country is insane. Who wants to live in the USA now if they don’t have to?

Um…people who recognize our country is still the best and intend to fight for our democracy instead of throwing in the towel?

I’ll never understand the mentality of those who think peacing out is an appropriate response to Trump’s nonsense.

Similarly, I’ll never understand why so many immigrants from elsewhere opt to abandon their homeland in droves rather than work to fix their country. Nothing will ever improve when the prevailing mentality is “Screw you! I’m outta here!”

This country was never the best.

Watch the Jeff Daniels monologue in the opening of “The Newsroom.”

No other country in the world runs around thumping its chest, declaring it is the best. The fact that we so automatically disqualifies us for candidacy for that label.

Welcome to planet Earth. Here every country that has ever been a world power goes around thumping its chest declaring they are the best. Show me a country who doesn't. I challenge you. I've lived in 6 countries, and ALL, even the ones that have never been world powers go around with pride thumping their chest as you put it.

Are you 15? Or just naive?

DP here. I don’t think people have sufficient experience or knowledge to see that every country has plenty of dirty laundry. I don’t fall into the trap of “US is best” but, given the countries I’ve lived in, it’s definitely not bad.

People should make their own choices clear eyed and without the hyperbole. Moving to a different country is perfectly fine and normal. In my view, OP should prioritize staying with her kid. It would be crazy not to do that. Take the longer view and don’t react so strongly to temporary situations.

Yes, but you sound sane. You know this board is dominated by the crazies or the ones that get a kick out of stiring up crazy.

FWIW - I agree with you, but I don't make knee jerk decisions about anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what country doesn’t have any guns.

Plenty. But it's not without problems. The UK replaces gun crime with chavs armed with knives. And they all live on top of each other. Knife crime is really bad in countries that lack guns. Knives kill fewer people, I suppose. Really, the question you should be asking is where can you go where mental health is treated and its associated impact is low. Canada? Finland? Netherlands? I really don't know - but those countries are doing it better than we are and they have very different gun laws - better health services though.

I lived in Canada for years and it’s no paradise. Surprisingly insular and racist.
People here are stupid and have no idea what it’s like elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The poorest state in the US (Mississippi) is about to surpass the richest country in Europe in GDP PPP:

https://www.euronews.com/business/2025/01/03/the-poorest-us-state-rivals-germany-gdp-per-capita-in-the-us-and-europe

Yes and in terms of opportunity those countries still manage to give more opportunities to their poorest citizens than the US gives a poor person from Mississippi. So what exactly is your point?

The old saying is:

Europe is a great place to be poor, and an awful place to be rich. US is an awful place to be poor, and a great place to be rich.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what country doesn’t have any guns.

Plenty. But it's not without problems. The UK replaces gun crime with chavs armed with knives. And they all live on top of each other. Knife crime is really bad in countries that lack guns. Knives kill fewer people, I suppose. Really, the question you should be asking is where can you go where mental health is treated and its associated impact is low. Canada? Finland? Netherlands? I really don't know - but those countries are doing it better than we are and they have very different gun laws - better health services though.

I lived in Canada for years and it’s no paradise. Surprisingly insular and racist.
People here are stupid and have no idea what it’s like elsewhere.

I had a Canadian boyfriend when I was younger. When I visited his hometown, he warned me that I might experience racism or at least stares, which surprised me. I’m Latina and that wasn’t something I would have expected and definitely had not experienced at home. He was from Ontario so not like someplace more remote like Yellowknife.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what country doesn’t have any guns.

Plenty. But it's not without problems. The UK replaces gun crime with chavs armed with knives. And they all live on top of each other. Knife crime is really bad in countries that lack guns. Knives kill fewer people, I suppose. Really, the question you should be asking is where can you go where mental health is treated and its associated impact is low. Canada? Finland? Netherlands? I really don't know - but those countries are doing it better than we are and they have very different gun laws - better health services though.

I lived in Canada for years and it’s no paradise. Surprisingly insular and racist.
People here are stupid and have no idea what it’s like elsewhere.

I had a Canadian boyfriend when I was younger. When I visited his hometown, he warned me that I might experience racism or at least stares, which surprised me. I’m Latina and that wasn’t something I would have expected and definitely had not experienced at home. He was from Ontario so not like someplace more remote like Yellowknife.

Can confirm. Pre-Covid I was traveling to Toronto, Ottawa, Quebec City, and the London areas for work, there for weeks at a time, and I was shocked by how segregated and racist each of those very different cities were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people are being such AHs to OP in this thread, but I am against it.

OP, you can’t “just leave”—it’s kidnapping.

But there is nothing wrong with feeling that this situation is too much for you right now. It’s a lot, it is in meaningful ways different from and more extreme than many of the harder times in American life before it, and there is no guarantee that it will work out well for any specific person who isn’t a billionaire.

My guess is that many of the ruder commenters here are jealous that you have a. option.

NP - I definitely am, for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what country doesn’t have any guns.

Plenty. But it's not without problems. The UK replaces gun crime with chavs armed with knives. And they all live on top of each other. Knife crime is really bad in countries that lack guns. Knives kill fewer people, I suppose. Really, the question you should be asking is where can you go where mental health is treated and its associated impact is low. Canada? Finland? Netherlands? I really don't know - but those countries are doing it better than we are and they have very different gun laws - better health services though.

I lived in Canada for years and it’s no paradise. Surprisingly insular and racist.
People here are stupid and have no idea what it’s like elsewhere.

I had a Canadian boyfriend when I was younger. When I visited his hometown, he warned me that I might experience racism or at least stares, which surprised me. I’m Latina and that wasn’t something I would have expected and definitely had not experienced at home. He was from Ontario so not like someplace more remote like Yellowknife.

Can confirm. Pre-Covid I was traveling to Toronto, Ottawa, Quebec City, and the London areas for work, there for weeks at a time, and I was shocked by how segregated and racist each of those very different cities were.

How is London segregated and racist? Specific examples please.

[Anonymous]

Yawn. The America is the bestest crowd are so tedious. Why are there people who are either unadventurous or lack the desire or opportunity to leave the US who always denigrate those who feel differently? That includes those people who travel as tourists or for work trips and think that somehow that affords them some special insight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What country?

PS - Saying you want to move because of Trump makes one sound crazy. (FTR, I’m a very liberal Democrat.)

What Trump is doing to the country is insane. Who wants to live in the USA now if they don’t have to?

Um…people who recognize our country is still the best and intend to fight for our democracy instead of throwing in the towel?

I’ll never understand the mentality of those who think peacing out is an appropriate response to Trump’s nonsense.

Similarly, I’ll never understand why so many immigrants from elsewhere opt to abandon their homeland in droves rather than work to fix their country. Nothing will ever improve when the prevailing mentality is “Screw you! I’m outta here!”

And how should we so superior Americans "fix" our great US of A? Maybe with your enlightened ideas, those immigrants can learn from you how to "fix" the country they may want to move back to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all this country’s flaws, there is nowhere else that offers the same opportunities and nowhere without equal or greater flaws. There’s a reason millions try to immigrate here.

Whatever are you in about? Plenty of countries offer the same or better opportunities. Denmark, Sweden and Finland all rank higher than the US in the Global Opportunity Index created by the Milken Institute. And I would venture their flaws pale compared to the structural issues plaguing this country.

Far fewer job opportunities for the ambitious, salaries are typically much lower. Very unwelcoming to non natives. Not to mention long, dark, depressing winters.

I love Denmark but I'm not kidding myself either. There are virtues to Denmark, if you are Danish, and there are virtues to the US. And especially if you're not a "native" American.

Like this country is welcoming to non-natives? Come on, now.

And half the country has long, hot, miserably humid summers.

Just stop. You sound stupid.

America, with its original sins of slavery and genocide, is not a great country.

North America received just 4% of the slave trade that came to the Americas. While clearly the only acceptable percentage is zero, we definitely were not the main consumers in this hemisphere.

Why the 4% number to minimize slavery in the U.S?


"Approximately 388,000 Africans were directly imported to the US during the entire transatlantic slave trade.

The vast majority of enslaved people in the US (around 4 million by the time of the Civil War) were born into slavery within the US. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But my partner (my daughter’s father) won’t go or let her go with me. The country I want to move to is safer (no Trump as they hate him, no guns, etc). I’m so extremely depressed because the USA is at an all time low. I don’t want to raise my daughter here if I have another option. Any advice? A judge would deny this I’m sure. Anyone gone through a similar situation?

Not even reading this whole inane thing. If you want to leave, then leave. Your daughter can visit you during the summer.

[Anonymous]

Make America Welcoming Again to common sense and harmony.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What country?

PS - Saying you want to move because of Trump makes one sound crazy. (FTR, I’m a very liberal Democrat.)

What Trump is doing to the country is insane. Who wants to live in the USA now if they don’t have to?

Um…people who recognize our country is still the best and intend to fight for our democracy instead of throwing in the towel?

I’ll never understand the mentality of those who think peacing out is an appropriate response to Trump’s nonsense.

Similarly, I’ll never understand why so many immigrants from elsewhere opt to abandon their homeland in droves rather than work to fix their country. Nothing will ever improve when the prevailing mentality is “Screw you! I’m outta here!”

I'll never understand your mentality PP - you can't fix the country. Why fight for the country that supports the head of the country whom is a monster? You my friend are in denial. Trump was elected by a majority of the popular vote regardless of how slim the margin and i believe he won this election fair and square. He won 7 battleground states. What are you actually fighting for because nobody shares your sense of patriotism except for MAGA. Leave before total corruption and destruction because the US you love does not exist as you remember it.

So when you are on the losing side you flee? Good strategy. Run away, run away. We don't want to be a nation of cowards.

That’s an absurd accusation. People who care about this country living up to its values of personal freedom, tolerance, and democratic voice in government have been losing for decades now. Deciding to leave today is hardly a precipitous reaction.

Everyone who escaped the territory Hitler annexed before he annexed it looks like a lucky genius in retrospect. It required full-scale international invasion to turn around, and if you’d called a Jew who happened to make it to New York City in the 1930s a coward you would now be graven in history as a complete AH.

Your guy and his team openly admire Hitler. It’s not that hard to connect the dots.