What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:The sheriff said the husband was found sitting upright. That seems so odd to me. If there aren’t any trees to brace himself on and he’s done this long hike in extreme heat, what’s propping him up? How would he find the strength to sit upright? Wouldn’t he topple over in death? It takes an effort to be sitting upright when you’re feeling ill. I would have imagine he would lie down. Just so strange..

One theory is the frame hiking baby carrier held him up.

The reports indicate that the baby was beside him, though. I have assumed the baby was still in the carrier but maybe that’s not true. On websleuths someone speculated that the portion of the switchback they were on was so steep that you could rest against the bottom part of the next bend.

I suppose he could have been leaning against the carrier in a sitting up position. What's the relevance?

The crazies commenting think it indicates something nefarious and use it as a reason to argue against heat exhaustion. It is just more ridiculousness.

You know best.

The rest of us think that it is unusual for someone to die of heat stroke sitting up. The police thought so, too.

You haven't read much about the other cases of heat stroke where people were found sitting upright? It's ridiculous that you think this is abnormal.

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I think the baby died. The father sat down in shock. The mother ran off in panic then heat exhaustion + heat stroke took her out.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the baby died. The father sat down in shock. The mother ran off in panic then heat exhaustion + heat stroke took her out.

The timing just doesn't make sense to me, that they'd all die within a minute or two of each other.

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^^or just sit and wait to die.

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Anonymous wrote:The sheriff said the husband was found sitting upright. That seems so odd to me. If there aren’t any trees to brace himself on and he’s done this long hike in extreme heat, what’s propping him up? How would he find the strength to sit upright? Wouldn’t he topple over in death? It takes an effort to be sitting upright when you’re feeling ill. I would have imagine he would lie down. Just so strange..

One theory is the frame hiking baby carrier held him up.

The reports indicate that the baby was beside him, though. I have assumed the baby was still in the carrier but maybe that’s not true. On websleuths someone speculated that the portion of the switchback they were on was so steep that you could rest against the bottom part of the next bend.

I suppose he could have been leaning against the carrier in a sitting up position. What's the relevance?

The crazies commenting think it indicates something nefarious and use it as a reason to argue against heat exhaustion. It is just more ridiculousness.

You know best.

The rest of us think that it is unusual for someone to die of heat stroke sitting up. The police thought so, too.

You haven't read much about the other cases of heat stroke where people were found sitting upright? It's ridiculous that you think this is abnormal.

The word "ridiculous" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

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Anonymous wrote:The sheriff said the husband was found sitting upright. That seems so odd to me. If there aren’t any trees to brace himself on and he’s done this long hike in extreme heat, what’s propping him up? How would he find the strength to sit upright? Wouldn’t he topple over in death? It takes an effort to be sitting upright when you’re feeling ill. I would have imagine he would lie down. Just so strange..

One theory is the frame hiking baby carrier held him up.

The reports indicate that the baby was beside him, though. I have assumed the baby was still in the carrier but maybe that’s not true. On websleuths someone speculated that the portion of the switchback they were on was so steep that you could rest against the bottom part of the next bend.

I suppose he could have been leaning against the carrier in a sitting up position. What's the relevance?

The crazies commenting think it indicates something nefarious and use it as a reason to argue against heat exhaustion. It is just more ridiculousness.

You know best.

The rest of us think that it is unusual for someone to die of heat stroke sitting up. The police thought so, too.

No. The rest of us don’t think it’s that unusual. He could be leaning against the carrier, a rock, etc.

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I’m also convinced that if it’s not murder that they took the wrong trail. Were confused very soon and just kept walking. It makes sense to walk an easy road trail for an hour with the baby and dog but not what they did.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that the linked Update article says a witness saw them that day on the trail.

I wonder about the accuracy of the reporting. The article also said that they told friends and family that they were going on this hike. If that were true, why didn't any of them report the missing sooner?

I wish one of them expressed concern about taking the baby out in the heat and urge them to rethink their decision.

So now you are blaming the friends and family?

WTF is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the baby died. The father sat down in shock. The mother ran off in panic then heat exhaustion + heat stroke took her out.

The timing just doesn't make sense to me, that they'd all die within a minute or two of each other.

We don't know that they did. They might have all collapsed within minutes of each other (baby dying first - maybe she was too quiet and when they finally checked her they realized she wasn't breathing) and then the adults died were they fell. Could have taken hours. But since they weren't discovered until Tuesday (48 hours later) - it would be possible they were still alive but exhausted and dehydrated on Sunday/Monday.

You can survive without water for three days but you can't survive without water that long in such extreme temperatures. And their cell phones had no reception to call for aid.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the baby died. The father sat down in shock. The mother ran off in panic then heat exhaustion + heat stroke took her out.

The timing just doesn't make sense to me, that they'd all die within a minute or two of each other.

How many times have you posted this comment. No one has said they died within a minute or two of each other. No one has that kind of information.

Go read about other cases of couples or families who have died of heat stroke. F that. Just go read about heat stroke, heat exhaustion, extreme dehydration.

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If something happened to the baby up the trail - maybe the parents pushed hard to get to help but if they were say 4 miles away from their car and running in 103F weather it makes sense that heat exhaustion made them collapse.

They got all the way to the 1.5 mile mark and the father collapsed with the weighty pack. Mother struggled to continue on to get help and she collapsed too.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the baby died. The father sat down in shock. The mother ran off in panic then heat exhaustion + heat stroke took her out.

The timing just doesn't make sense to me, that they'd all die within a minute or two of each other.

How many times have you posted this comment. No one has said they died within a minute or two of each other. No one has that kind of information.

Go read about other cases of couples or families who have died of heat stroke. F that. Just go read about heat stroke, heat exhaustion, extreme dehydration.

NP -- I find it odd too. To have 4 living creatures of various sizes die from heat stroke close together just seems off to me. I am not discounting it but I think one of the parents would have gotten farther away (for help or delirium) before also dying. I get the dog and baby couldn't get away put being so close, unless they wandered and came back, just strikes me as off for heat exhaustion/stroke.

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A lot of you posters are going to look extremely foolish once the case is solved.

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Anonymous wrote:To the branches, biker, rock slides, cougar poster. Get with the program. No visible signs of trauma.

Get with the program yourself. I've known from before page 1 there were no signs of trauma. The environment contributes to stress, exertion, and exhaustion. Tripping over rocks, twisting ankles, stepping over fallen trees, fear of mountain lions, all can take a toll and not be visible.

I feel like everyone is discounting the potential for mountain lion involvement.

We should ask Bobcat Girl.

Good point.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the baby died. The father sat down in shock. The mother ran off in panic then heat exhaustion + heat stroke took her out.

The timing just doesn't make sense to me, that they'd all die within a minute or two of each other.

How many times have you posted this comment. No one has said they died within a minute or two of each other. No one has that kind of information.

Go read about other cases of couples or families who have died of heat stroke. F that. Just go read about heat stroke, heat exhaustion, extreme dehydration.

NP -- I find it odd too. To have 4 living creatures of various sizes die from heat stroke close together just seems off to me. I am not discounting it but I think one of the parents would have gotten farther away (for help or delirium) before also dying. I get the dog and baby couldn't get away put being so close, unless they wandered and came back, just strikes me as off for heat exhaustion/stroke.

How was the dog or baby going to wander off? The baby was in the carrier and the dog clipped to the husband.