The Pitt, Season 2

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

So I’m not sure this is correct now based on the info we have now about her epilepsy.

So now we know it was both -- she was diagnosed with epilepsy as a child but had been mostly seizure free as an adult, but she notes she had not worked on pediatric cases "since Afghanistan" and Baby Jane Doe was her first seizure of the day, perhaps brought on by the child crying and a stress response due to her experience in the maternity hospital in Afghanistan during the terror attack.

PTSD and epilepsy are 2 very different things. Someone (I assume you) stated that she has PTSD and that’s what caused her seizures and she likely sees a neurologist for PTSD. That’s not true. She sees a neurologist for seizures caused by epilepsy, not PTSD. Moreover, we don’t even know if she has PTSD.

She’d need a therapist for PTSD.

Sepideh Moafi (the actress who plays her) has something to say about herself, PTSD, and Robby
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/sepideh-moafi-dr-al-hashimi-robby-the-pitt-finale-interview-rcna332172

She says her character has PTSD. Ok. But that’s not what causes her absence seizures. That’s a brain condition and requires meds to control it. She’s had that since the age of 5. Absence seizures are not flashbacks like in PTSD. Her PTSD was not causing her seizures.

Just admit you had no idea about her epilepsy and were wrong to say her “episodes” were caused by PTSD.

She called her neurologist because of her seizures, not her PTSD.

You are rude! Stress can contribute to both of those. They are not siloed in the way you might imagine. Be nice!

What’s rude about facts? The seizures started at age 5 and were not due to stress. She had viral meningitis. PTSD is not the root cause of her seizures.

PTSD is completely different from an absence seizure medically. But do carry on.

DP (one of multiple people who thinks you are being ridiculous) but Baram literally says in the scene with Robby that she thinks the first seizure of the day (which occurred while she was looking down at Baby Jane Doe, who was crying) may have been triggered because it was her first pediatric case "since Afghanistan" (where she was in a terror attack at a maternity hospital). SHE is the one linking her epileptic seizures to her PTSD (which the actress confirmed she has). No one here is making these links -- it's in the text of the show.

Epileptic seizures are commonly brought on by stress. PTSD episodes are stress.

My original point stands. The initial comment way back when was only about her having PTSD and mentioned nothing about epilepsy. That poster had no idea about her epilepsy.

The seizures could be bought on by stress, but the seizure itself is not a PTSD episode. How do you not understand that?

How can you not understand that literally no one is suggesting her seizures were PTSD episodes? But her seizures are obviously linked to her PTSD, as the character herself said. It was speculated before she revealed her epilepsy diagnosis that her strange behavior may have been related to PTSD, and it was. No one suggested PTSD caused absence seizures, we didn't even know that's what was going on at the time. People thought it might be flashbacks. Turns out it's possible it was both.

It is so weird you are still fighting about this.

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

So I’m not sure this is correct now based on the info we have now about her epilepsy.

So now we know it was both -- she was diagnosed with epilepsy as a child but had been mostly seizure free as an adult, but she notes she had not worked on pediatric cases "since Afghanistan" and Baby Jane Doe was her first seizure of the day, perhaps brought on by the child crying and a stress response due to her experience in the maternity hospital in Afghanistan during the terror attack.

PTSD and epilepsy are 2 very different things. Someone (I assume you) stated that she has PTSD and that’s what caused her seizures and she likely sees a neurologist for PTSD. That’s not true. She sees a neurologist for seizures caused by epilepsy, not PTSD. Moreover, we don’t even know if she has PTSD.

She’d need a therapist for PTSD.

Sepideh Moafi (the actress who plays her) has something to say about herself, PTSD, and Robby
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/sepideh-moafi-dr-al-hashimi-robby-the-pitt-finale-interview-rcna332172

She says her character has PTSD. Ok. But that’s not what causes her absence seizures. That’s a brain condition and requires meds to control it. She’s had that since the age of 5. Absence seizures are not flashbacks like in PTSD. Her PTSD was not causing her seizures.

Just admit you had no idea about her epilepsy and were wrong to say her “episodes” were caused by PTSD.

She called her neurologist because of her seizures, not her PTSD.

You are rude! Stress can contribute to both of those. They are not siloed in the way you might imagine. Be nice!

What’s rude about facts? The seizures started at age 5 and were not due to stress. She had viral meningitis. PTSD is not the root cause of her seizures.

PTSD is completely different from an absence seizure medically. But do carry on.

It's clearly the character is worried that stress and her PTSD from a more recent event might be triggering the recurrence if her seizures. Especially two in one day which she is obviously freaked out by.

PTSD and epilepsy are different diagnoses but PTSD flashbacks could 100% cause an epileptic seizure in someone who already has epilepsy.

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Anonymous wrote:Favorite parts:

Digby with Whittaker’s badge and the mannequin in the shopping cart

Whitaker happily driving off with the farmer’s wife in a truck. Love that she got out so he could drive - that tickled me, so old fashioned!

Karaoke after the credits

The female characters with their hair down and in regular clothes on the roof.

Abbott being the one who could really get thru to Robby because he is an adrenaline junkie and ER doctor too. “I think it’s a song lyric” cracked me up.

I loved the sitting and charting and sleeping and kvetching scenes. Kind of a break from the medical stuff.

Langdon telling Robby he needed therapy.

Least favorites:
Robby and Dana- so boring this season ultimately

I did not love this, in fact was actively annoyed by it. Stupidly old fashioned, the man was dead tired after working something like 16 hours.

Agree. Disliked that.

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

So I’m not sure this is correct now based on the info we have now about her epilepsy.

So now we know it was both -- she was diagnosed with epilepsy as a child but had been mostly seizure free as an adult, but she notes she had not worked on pediatric cases "since Afghanistan" and Baby Jane Doe was her first seizure of the day, perhaps brought on by the child crying and a stress response due to her experience in the maternity hospital in Afghanistan during the terror attack.

PTSD and epilepsy are 2 very different things. Someone (I assume you) stated that she has PTSD and that’s what caused her seizures and she likely sees a neurologist for PTSD. That’s not true. She sees a neurologist for seizures caused by epilepsy, not PTSD. Moreover, we don’t even know if she has PTSD.

She’d need a therapist for PTSD.

Sepideh Moafi (the actress who plays her) has something to say about herself, PTSD, and Robby
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/sepideh-moafi-dr-al-hashimi-robby-the-pitt-finale-interview-rcna332172

She says her character has PTSD. Ok. But that’s not what causes her absence seizures. That’s a brain condition and requires meds to control it. She’s had that since the age of 5. Absence seizures are not flashbacks like in PTSD. Her PTSD was not causing her seizures.

Just admit you had no idea about her epilepsy and were wrong to say her “episodes” were caused by PTSD.

She called her neurologist because of her seizures, not her PTSD.

You are rude! Stress can contribute to both of those. They are not siloed in the way you might imagine. Be nice!

What’s rude about facts? The seizures started at age 5 and were not due to stress. She had viral meningitis. PTSD is not the root cause of her seizures.

PTSD is completely different from an absence seizure medically. But do carry on.

DP (one of multiple people who thinks you are being ridiculous) but Baram literally says in the scene with Robby that she thinks the first seizure of the day (which occurred while she was looking down at Baby Jane Doe, who was crying) may have been triggered because it was her first pediatric case "since Afghanistan" (where she was in a terror attack at a maternity hospital). SHE is the one linking her epileptic seizures to her PTSD (which the actress confirmed she has). No one here is making these links -- it's in the text of the show.

Epileptic seizures are commonly brought on by stress. PTSD episodes are stress.

My original point stands. The initial comment way back when was only about her having PTSD and mentioned nothing about epilepsy. That poster had no idea about her epilepsy.

The seizures could be bought on by stress, but the seizure itself is not a PTSD episode. How do you not understand that?

How can you not understand that literally no one is suggesting her seizures were PTSD episodes? But her seizures are obviously linked to her PTSD, as the character herself said. It was speculated before she revealed her epilepsy diagnosis that her strange behavior may have been related to PTSD, and it was. No one suggested PTSD caused absence seizures, we didn't even know that's what was going on at the time. People thought it might be flashbacks. Turns out it's possible it was both.

It is so weird you are still fighting about this.

The thread has already moved on and you’re bringing it up again? You need to go back and read the original comment then. Have a good day.

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

This is the original idea. This poster thought Hashimi was having a dissociative episode due to PTSD when she was actually having an absence seizure due to epilepsy.

This poster also thought she sees a neurologist to mange her PTSD but that is also not correct. She’s sees one to manage her epilepsy. We really don’t know if she’s treating her PTSD.

I’m not disagreeing that Hashimi doesn’t have PTSD or that it can contribute to her seizures but this poster didn’t know about the epilepsy or the absence seizure.

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

This is the original idea. This poster thought Hashimi was having a dissociative episode due to PTSD when she was actually having an absence seizure due to epilepsy.

This poster also thought she sees a neurologist to mange her PTSD but that is also not correct. She’s sees one to manage her epilepsy. We really don’t know if she’s treating her PTSD.

I’m not disagreeing that Hashimi doesn’t have PTSD or that it can contribute to her seizures but this poster didn’t know about the epilepsy or the absence seizure.

Their ideas were good and based on the available knowledge at the time.

NOW we know:
Al-Hashimi contracted viral meningitis at age 5 leaving her with absence seizures, but she had been seizure free for a year UNTIL
Baby Jane Doe triggered her PTSD which triggered an absence seizure
Can we stop arguing about who pinpointed exactly what at what moment

WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF DETENTE WITH SANTOS AND LANGDON FANS

Let’s not throw that away

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

This is the original idea. This poster thought Hashimi was having a dissociative episode due to PTSD when she was actually having an absence seizure due to epilepsy.

This poster also thought she sees a neurologist to mange her PTSD but that is also not correct. She’s sees one to manage her epilepsy. We really don’t know if she’s treating her PTSD.

I’m not disagreeing that Hashimi doesn’t have PTSD or that it can contribute to her seizures but this poster didn’t know about the epilepsy or the absence seizure.

Their ideas were good and based on the available knowledge at the time.

NOW we know:
Al-Hashimi contracted viral meningitis at age 5 leaving her with absence seizures, but she had been seizure free for a year UNTIL
Baby Jane Doe triggered her PTSD which triggered an absence seizure
Can we stop arguing about who pinpointed exactly what at what moment

WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF DETENTE WITH SANTOS AND LANGDON FANS

Let’s not throw that away

[phone]

[Anonymous]

I’ll go first. I have loathed the Langdon character and really invested in Santos. I’m willing to look at how they are alike and the possibility that he’s not simply a manipulative addict and that he and Santos have some things in common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll go first. I have loathed the Langdon character and really invested in Santos. I’m willing to look at how they are alike and the possibility that he’s not simply a manipulative addict and that he and Santos have some things in common.

Agreed.

Langdon is every “good” white boy who overindulged. He should have been reported and his sobriety is far too new to be challenged in the environment he was using in. The light slap and expectation of his peers not needing time to process his return are challenging. I don’t trust him yet.

Santos could improve her people skills to put it briefly.

Both are brilliant and could be excellent. Both need to work on personal issues before going deeper into their careers.

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

This is the original idea. This poster thought Hashimi was having a dissociative episode due to PTSD when she was actually having an absence seizure due to epilepsy.

This poster also thought she sees a neurologist to mange her PTSD but that is also not correct. She’s sees one to manage her epilepsy. We really don’t know if she’s treating her PTSD.

I’m not disagreeing that Hashimi doesn’t have PTSD or that it can contribute to her seizures but this poster didn’t know about the epilepsy or the absence seizure.

Their ideas were good and based on the available knowledge at the time.

NOW we know:
Al-Hashimi contracted viral meningitis at age 5 leaving her with absence seizures, but she had been seizure free for a year UNTIL
Baby Jane Doe triggered her PTSD which triggered an absence seizure
Can we stop arguing about who pinpointed exactly what at what moment

WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF DETENTE WITH SANTOS AND LANGDON FANS

Let’s not throw that away

I’m the PP and I believe it or not I do agree with this as well!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

This is the original idea. This poster thought Hashimi was having a dissociative episode due to PTSD when she was actually having an absence seizure due to epilepsy.

This poster also thought she sees a neurologist to mange her PTSD but that is also not correct. She’s sees one to manage her epilepsy. We really don’t know if she’s treating her PTSD.

I’m not disagreeing that Hashimi doesn’t have PTSD or that it can contribute to her seizures but this poster didn’t know about the epilepsy or the absence seizure.

Their ideas were good and based on the available knowledge at the time.

NOW we know:
Al-Hashimi contracted viral meningitis at age 5 leaving her with absence seizures, but she had been seizure free for a year UNTIL
Baby Jane Doe triggered her PTSD which triggered an absence seizure
Can we stop arguing about who pinpointed exactly what at what moment

WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF DETENTE WITH SANTOS AND LANGDON FANS

Let’s not throw that away

lol. Love this!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

This is the original idea. This poster thought Hashimi was having a dissociative episode due to PTSD when she was actually having an absence seizure due to epilepsy.

This poster also thought she sees a neurologist to mange her PTSD but that is also not correct. She’s sees one to manage her epilepsy. We really don’t know if she’s treating her PTSD.

I’m not disagreeing that Hashimi doesn’t have PTSD or that it can contribute to her seizures but this poster didn’t know about the epilepsy or the absence seizure.

Their ideas were good and based on the available knowledge at the time.

NOW we know:
Al-Hashimi contracted viral meningitis at age 5 leaving her with absence seizures, but she had been seizure free for a year UNTIL
Baby Jane Doe triggered her PTSD which triggered an absence seizure
Can we stop arguing about who pinpointed exactly what at what moment

WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF DETENTE WITH SANTOS AND LANGDON FANS

Let’s not throw that away

lol. Love this!

Ha ha, yes. I love both Santos AND Langdon ... it is possible!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

This is the original idea. This poster thought Hashimi was having a dissociative episode due to PTSD when she was actually having an absence seizure due to epilepsy.

This poster also thought she sees a neurologist to mange her PTSD but that is also not correct. She’s sees one to manage her epilepsy. We really don’t know if she’s treating her PTSD.

I’m not disagreeing that Hashimi doesn’t have PTSD or that it can contribute to her seizures but this poster didn’t know about the epilepsy or the absence seizure.

Their ideas were good and based on the available knowledge at the time.

NOW we know:
Al-Hashimi contracted viral meningitis at age 5 leaving her with absence seizures, but she had been seizure free for a year UNTIL
Baby Jane Doe triggered her PTSD which triggered an absence seizure
Can we stop arguing about who pinpointed exactly what at what moment

WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF DETENTE WITH SANTOS AND LANGDON FANS

Let’s not throw that away

lol. Love this!

Ha ha, yes. I love both Santos AND Langdon ... it is possible!

For the first time, I am giving Langdon the benefit of the doubt and empathizing with what it would be like to return to your high pressure work environment with everyone knowing that you had an addiction issue (even though they don't know the worst of it). One of the scenes in the finale that bothered me most was giving his urine sample. I thought he was so rude to the nurse who had to observe him and that fit with my general assessment of Langdon being an arrogant jerk. Looking with empathy I am imagining his humiliation and stress level and snapping in the moment.

Are they any reforming Santos haters? Maybe you're not falling in love but can you see her differently than you did before?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

This is the original idea. This poster thought Hashimi was having a dissociative episode due to PTSD when she was actually having an absence seizure due to epilepsy.

This poster also thought she sees a neurologist to mange her PTSD but that is also not correct. She’s sees one to manage her epilepsy. We really don’t know if she’s treating her PTSD.

I’m not disagreeing that Hashimi doesn’t have PTSD or that it can contribute to her seizures but this poster didn’t know about the epilepsy or the absence seizure.

Their ideas were good and based on the available knowledge at the time.

NOW we know:
Al-Hashimi contracted viral meningitis at age 5 leaving her with absence seizures, but she had been seizure free for a year UNTIL
Baby Jane Doe triggered her PTSD which triggered an absence seizure
Can we stop arguing about who pinpointed exactly what at what moment

WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF DETENTE WITH SANTOS AND LANGDON FANS

Let’s not throw that away

lol. Love this!

Ha ha, yes. I love both Santos AND Langdon ... it is possible!

For the first time, I am giving Langdon the benefit of the doubt and empathizing with what it would be like to return to your high pressure work environment with everyone knowing that you had an addiction issue (even though they don't know the worst of it). One of the scenes in the finale that bothered me most was giving his urine sample. I thought he was so rude to the nurse who had to observe him and that fit with my general assessment of Langdon being an arrogant jerk. Looking with empathy I am imagining his humiliation and stress level and snapping in the moment.

Are they any reforming Santos haters? Maybe you're not falling in love but can you see her differently than you did before?

Yes. The karaoke scene helped. Also, she didn’t snap at Langdon when he was near her. He laughed at one of her jokes. I see progress. I’ve been saying all along I want them to form a friendship.

[Anonymous]

Ok I’m just going to go out on a limb here…

Kumbaya my love…kumbaya!