Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:okay, here is another angle. If you were with a friend who was going to point a gun at you, wouldn't you first check to see that the gun was not loaded?

So, my point being, yes, AB didn't check, but neither did the two people behind the camera, who, unlike AB, could be in danger and therefore had the most to lose. I think that goes to show their mentality of trusting the industry procedure (meaning, trusting the AD and the armorer.) I suspect that almost all the people on the set would share that mentality and no one who was handed the gun, or on the receiving end of the gun, would demand to check the gun. In that way, AB might be seen as not being negligent.

I think the place where "he was following procedure" falls short is the aim of his weapon. I can get past that he didn't check the chamber. But the people from this industry are pretty consistent in saying actors aren't allowed to aim at other people.

What if he didn't aim at them but, he was taking it out and it went off? I haven't heard anywhere where he pointed the gun at them.

I read that he aimed and pulled the trigger. But I've also read that he pulled it out and it misfired. In either scenario, you would have to aim at them because when a gun fires, the bullet goes in a straight line at whatever it is pointing at. That's why one of the rules is to keep the muzzle pointing to the ground.

[Anonymous]

Again, a misfire is when a gun does not fire. An accidental discharge is when it fires without you expecting it. An accidental discharge is caused by force, either dropping it or accidentally pulling the trigger. A gun does not magically go off in your hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:okay, here is another angle. If you were with a friend who was going to point a gun at you, wouldn't you first check to see that the gun was not loaded?

So, my point being, yes, AB didn't check, but neither did the two people behind the camera, who, unlike AB, could be in danger and therefore had the most to lose. I think that goes to show their mentality of trusting the industry procedure (meaning, trusting the AD and the armorer.) I suspect that almost all the people on the set would share that mentality and no one who was handed the gun, or on the receiving end of the gun, would demand to check the gun. In that way, AB might be seen as not being negligent.

I think the place where "he was following procedure" falls short is the aim of his weapon. I can get past that he didn't check the chamber. But the people from this industry are pretty consistent in saying actors aren't allowed to aim at other people.

What if he didn't aim at them but, he was taking it out and it went off? I haven't heard anywhere where he pointed the gun at them.

First, if it a bullet hit them, the gun was pointed at them.
Second, the scene called for him to cross-draw and then point the gun at the camera (and they were behind the camera)

[Anonymous]

While it appears Baldwin hasn't any liability he is using poor judgement in re-posting tweets, and talking to the press.

It's almost like he has some OCD and can't control himself.

They are mainly looking at that armorer. Even if there was a live round in the box, it was her job to spot it. I saw the live round and dummy and there a big enough difference.
Or it may be possible someone got a hold of the gun and put a live round in. Of course if I were in her position I would adamantly swear that gun was cleared when it was in her hands.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone seen any explanation about why the guns were sitting on a table for the AD to grab with the armorer apparently not even there? Was the armorer specifically told to break procedure this way? Or did she wander off to take a smoke break and leave the guns unattended? That is sort of the weirdest part to me. My understanding is that all guns are supposed to be under the constant supervision of the armorer or under lock and key, so her sabotage story doesn’t make a lot of sense unless either she neglected her duties or she was instructed not to perform her regular duties (in which case she probably should have filed an OSHA or union complaint but maybe that’s why they hired an armorer who was living in a ramshackle rental and couldn’t afford to complain).

[Anonymous]

It's all about slack security. There will be an enormous payout from the production company's insurance company, and Alex Baldwin is likely going to pay as well because he's one of the producers, and he actually pulled the trigger. But he was told the gun was "cold" meaning it was empty. The A.D. should be in trouble as well as the armorer, neither of whom was doing their jobs.

All in all, it's a tragedy that could have been prevented if everyone involved had followed strict safety rules. So sad for the woman's family and particularly for her young son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen any explanation about why the guns were sitting on a table for the AD to grab with the armorer apparently not even there? Was the armorer specifically told to break procedure this way? Or did she wander off to take a smoke break and leave the guns unattended? That is sort of the weirdest part to me. My understanding is that all guns are supposed to be under the constant supervision of the armorer or under lock and key, so her sabotage story doesn’t make a lot of sense unless either she neglected her duties or she was instructed not to perform her regular duties (in which case she probably should have filed an OSHA or union complaint but maybe that’s why they hired an armorer who was living in a ramshackle rental and couldn’t afford to complain).

This is what I don't understand. How could firearms be sitting out on a table, unattended? Even if they are limiting people due to COVID, that makes no sense whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen any explanation about why the guns were sitting on a table for the AD to grab with the armorer apparently not even there? Was the armorer specifically told to break procedure this way? Or did she wander off to take a smoke break and leave the guns unattended? That is sort of the weirdest part to me. My understanding is that all guns are supposed to be under the constant supervision of the armorer or under lock and key, so her sabotage story doesn’t make a lot of sense unless either she neglected her duties or she was instructed not to perform her regular duties (in which case she probably should have filed an OSHA or union complaint but maybe that’s why they hired an armorer who was living in a ramshackle rental and couldn’t afford to complain).

Don't be silly. She wasn't suppose to bird watch the prop guns. No one thought there was a live round, and this was the procedure on many sets.

[Anonymous]

The insurance companies will pay big time, and life will go on.

That will be the name of this game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's all about slack security. There will be an enormous payout from the production company's insurance company, and Alex Baldwin is likely going to pay as well because he's one of the producers, and he actually pulled the trigger. But he was told the gun was "cold" meaning it was empty. The A.D. should be in trouble as well as the armorer, neither of whom was doing their jobs.

All in all, it's a tragedy that could have been prevented if everyone involved had followed strict safety rules. So sad for the woman's family and particularly for her young son.

Alex Baldwin has nothing to do with this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's all about slack security. There will be an enormous payout from the production company's insurance company, and Alex Baldwin is likely going to pay as well because he's one of the producers, and he actually pulled the trigger. But he was told the gun was "cold" meaning it was empty. The A.D. should be in trouble as well as the armorer, neither of whom was doing their jobs.

All in all, it's a tragedy that could have been prevented if everyone involved had followed strict safety rules. So sad for the woman's family and particularly for her young son.

Alex Baldwin has nothing to do with this

I mean, he fired the gun that killed them. It's a bold claim that he has *nothing* to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen any explanation about why the guns were sitting on a table for the AD to grab with the armorer apparently not even there? Was the armorer specifically told to break procedure this way? Or did she wander off to take a smoke break and leave the guns unattended? That is sort of the weirdest part to me. My understanding is that all guns are supposed to be under the constant supervision of the armorer or under lock and key, so her sabotage story doesn’t make a lot of sense unless either she neglected her duties or she was instructed not to perform her regular duties (in which case she probably should have filed an OSHA or union complaint but maybe that’s why they hired an armorer who was living in a ramshackle rental and couldn’t afford to complain).

Don't be silly. She wasn't suppose to bird watch the prop guns. No one thought there was a live round, and this was the procedure on many sets.

Yes she was.

[Anonymous]

Omg someone taking down the set got bit by poisonous spider, get necrosis, sepsis, could lose his arm! I pray his arm is saved. Lord please have mercy on that man in the name of Jesus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's all about slack security. There will be an enormous payout from the production company's insurance company, and Alex Baldwin is likely going to pay as well because he's one of the producers, and he actually pulled the trigger. But he was told the gun was "cold" meaning it was empty. The A.D. should be in trouble as well as the armorer, neither of whom was doing their jobs.

All in all, it's a tragedy that could have been prevented if everyone involved had followed strict safety rules. So sad for the woman's family and particularly for her young son.

Alex Baldwin has nothing to do with this

I mean, he fired the gun that killed them. It's a bold claim that he has *nothing* to do with it.

I'm pretty sure the PP meant that ALEX Baldwin is not the same as ALEC Baldwin.

[Anonymous]

I hope he goes to jail for a long, long time.