How hard is it to get to Ivy Law School from State Flagship?

[Anonymous]

Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

[Anonymous]

no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

[Anonymous]

HLS took students from 146 undergraduate schools: https://hls.harvard.edu/jdadmissions/apply-to-harvard-law-school/jdapplicants/hls-profile-and-facts/undergraduate-institutions/

[Anonymous]

Not hard; honestly a smart route so long as grades and LSAT are high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

If she wants IVY for law then she should be at the schools that send the most there, which are other ivies and Stanford and Duke and Chicago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

As the PP shows, the #1 feeder for any law school is it's undergraduate institution.

Perhaps you want to target a state flagship with a top law school like UCB, UCLA, UVA, Michigan (? does it have a top law school). You will be fine career-wise with a law degree from those schools.

[Anonymous]

I went to a top 3 Ivy law school from a state school. Your DD needs a stellar gpa, needs to ace the LSAT, and needs some interesting additional resume content (internships or extracurriculars).

[Anonymous]

The undergraduate schools represented at Yale law are posted on another thread. Harvard has been posted many times on DCUM. There may be 86 and 146 different schools represented but one needs to look into the details to see that the ivies and top privates make up the majority of the class. Sure, each ivy may take one kid a year from some subset of average state flagships, but many years there are none from specific schools. Now if the state flagship is UVA or Berkeley then it matters a lot less as these undergrad institutions are well represented in ivy law schools.

[Anonymous]

OP, not all Ivies have law schools and not all top law schools are Ivies.

What she will want is the T14, the top 14 law schools, which have been roughly the same 14 schools for many many years. You can google this list.

College GPA and LSAT are the primary determinants of admission. She might also want some post-college work experience, which can be helpful.

Your state flagship is fine for undergrad for the purpose of law school admission.

[Anonymous]

Easy !
Both of my kids started at VA Tech and ended up at Ivy's - One Yale, One UPenn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, not all Ivies have law schools and not all top law schools are Ivies.

What she will want is the T14, the top 14 law schools, which have been roughly the same 14 schools for many many years. You can google this list.

College GPA and LSAT are the primary determinants of admission. She might also want some post-college work experience, which can be helpful.

Your state flagship is fine for undergrad for the purpose of law school admission.

This is the correct answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

To be blunt, if these are “targets” for undergrad not likelies then your kid must not be a true ivy-level high schooler(ie has SAT over 1500 and has taken difficult APs and gotten 4s and 5s.). Sure one can get in to ivies with less but the vast majority there have those numbers, and hence the vast majority ace the LSATs. Look at the ivy law school LSAT 25-75th %ile ranges. It is much harder to be in the top 5% of LSAT scores than it is to be in the top 1% of SAT. A kid from a state school like UF has to have both GPA and LSAT off the chart to have a shot at an ivy law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

To be blunt, if these are “targets” for undergrad not likelies then your kid must not be a true ivy-level high schooler(ie has SAT over 1500 and has taken difficult APs and gotten 4s and 5s.). Sure one can get in to ivies with less but the vast majority there have those numbers, and hence the vast majority ace the LSATs. Look at the ivy law school LSAT 25-75th %ile ranges. It is much harder to be in the top 5% of LSAT scores than it is to be in the top 1% of SAT. A kid from a state school like UF has to have both GPA and LSAT off the chart to have a shot at an ivy law.

OP did not provide stats. Tufts is a reach for all applicants, with a 9.5% acceptance rate. UF would be a low reach, maybe high target, for a high stats applicant - 23% acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

So she's still in HS? What does she even know about BigLaw? This is silly. Just go to the best undergrad that fits her and that you can afford. She may change her path entirely. she is 18!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Easy !
Both of my kids started at VA Tech and ended up at Ivy's - One Yale, One UPenn.

My friend - Pitt to Harvard Law