How hard is it to get to Ivy Law School from State Flagship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

I think that tells you that Ivy grads don't choose UVA for law school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to a top 3 Ivy law school from a state school. Your DD needs a stellar gpa, needs to ace the LSAT, and needs some interesting additional resume content (internships or extracurriculars).

This. It's about showing that the applicant is exceptional in some way.

[Anonymous]

Not "Ivy law." It's T14.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

I think that tells you that Ivy grads don't choose UVA for law school.

It's informative. I'm sure people would appreciate it if the Ivy schools and other private schools would share a similar breakdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

As the PP shows, the #1 feeder for any law school is it's undergraduate institution.

Perhaps you want to target a state flagship with a top law school like UCB, UCLA, UVA, Michigan (? does it have a top law school). You will be fine career-wise with a law degree from those schools.

Michigan troll. Don’t comment if you don’t know. Quick Google search would answer this for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Easy !
Both of my kids started at VA Tech and ended up at Ivy's - One Yale, One UPenn.

Complete BS that your kids went to Law school at Yale or Penn from VT. VT lists all destinations, even allowing answers to where the JD will be such as “applying after gap years” . The law schools from VT are Fordham, Kentucky, and the like. You can see every masters and doctorate school: there are zero top law schools and zero top med schools. The only occasional top doctorate are ones for phD in stem. One can search multiple years and find very similar lackluster outcomes. VT is not a good place for prelaw.
https://fds.career.vt.edu/GradSchoolList?cohort=2022-2023.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, not all Ivies have law schools and not all top law schools are Ivies.

What she will want is the T14, the top 14 law schools, which have been roughly the same 14 schools for many many years. You can google this list.

College GPA and LSAT are the primary determinants of admission. She might also want some post-college work experience, which can be helpful.

Your state flagship is fine for undergrad for the purpose of law school admission.

+1. Focus on the stuff that matters for admissions.

[Anonymous]

OP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy !
Both of my kids started at VA Tech and ended up at Ivy's - One Yale, One UPenn.

Complete BS that your kids went to Law school at Yale or Penn from VT. VT lists all destinations, even allowing answers to where the JD will be such as “applying after gap years” . The law schools from VT are Fordham, Kentucky, and the like. You can see every masters and doctorate school: there are zero top law schools and zero top med schools. The only occasional top doctorate are ones for phD in stem. One can search multiple years and find very similar lackluster outcomes. VT is not a good place for prelaw.
https://fds.career.vt.edu/GradSchoolList?cohort=2022-2023.

Somebody’s kid did recently because VT is listed on YLS’s undergrad list. https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics/undergraduate-institutions-represented

Also, I went to a T14 from VT (albeit not YLS) and never appeared on that first destination list because I worked for two years.

[Anonymous]

Students usually say they are aiming for T14 schools, not Ivy for law school. If you are fortunate enoigh to get into Stanford or Chicago Law, you go

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

OP, this is a problem.You need to read more to figure out how you are going to pay the half because it will fall to you, not her, to finance this. Have you run the NPC for those schools in the 90k range? what did it say. Most families with a HHI of over $205k will ne told by FAFSA that it will be expected that you cover 100% of your child's education Your child's only option is the federal unsubsidized loans which is only $5500 the first year with small incremental increases each year for a grand total of around $23,000 for all four years.

Your child will have a hard time finding private loans because she has no collateral. If you find one you will have to co-sign. After 3 kids going thru college and never getting any financial aid or merit, we had to refinance our home to finish the last one. You don't want to do this.

You need to figure this out long before you talk about Ivy law schools, most of which do not offer merit aid and like Harvard run $115k a year.

There are many books on this. Consult a financial advisor or CPA (ours knew nothing). look into Parent Plus loans. Run those NPCs. Ask grandparents for help. Look at in-state schools. Talk to your high school counselor. Consider hiring a private counselor. This will affect the list of schools to which your daughter will apply because it sounds like your DD will need to go in-state or chase merit

[Anonymous]

My co-clerks went from Penn State to HLS and Oregon to YLS.

That said, I think the whole T14 law school business is malarkey. I wish I'd gone to a law school ranked from 20-50 and saved a ton of money. Most people quickly burn out on big firm practice, and it really sucks to need a high-income job because you're carrying a six-figure law-school debt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

I think that tells you that Ivy grads don't choose UVA for law school.

Yeah. Don't know what the purpose of that post was--since it was not directed to the question being posed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

I think that tells you that Ivy grads don't choose UVA for law school.

Yeah. Don't know what the purpose of that post was--since it was not directed to the question being posed.

I did it because I don’t think the four Ivy Law Schools post numbers - just a list of where their enrollees come from. UVA was only T14 I found that lists its most prevalent schools for each class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

I think that tells you that Ivy grads don't choose UVA for law school.

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