Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Wait, so you’re telling me a small time actor and producer of independent films sued one of the most powerful men in Hollywood and his wife and he didn’t win? That’s so weird. Money and power rarely come out on top of these kind of things right?!?!

The public sees right through this and sees it as the David and Goliath story that it is. Already people are speculating that judge Lyman‘s brother is in the industry and involved in some of Ryan’s projects. I personally am not going to go down that rabbit hole and it sounds like a conspiracy, but it gives you some insight into what the public is thinking. No one thinks this was a fair fight or that it was thrown out for legitimate reasons. They think that Blake and Ryan Bought the court.

This may be a legal victory for Blake, but it’s not a PR one.

If you actually read Liman's memo for this order, I think it's very hard to maintain this viewpoint. Baldoni's case was dismissed because it was bad. Liman said that even if you take everything Baldoni alleges as fact, he would lose in the law. They don't even attempt to make the elements if extortion or defamation.

Also, commentators do think this will be a major PR win for Blake. I was just listening to the Behind the Bar podcast and they think this swings sentiment from like 80-20 in favor of Justin to more like 50-50. Given how badly Lively was doing on the PR front, this is huge.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like "the public" just refers to people who participate in pro Baldoni online spaces?

I am literally just going by Instagram. People, just Jared, entertainment tonight, E news, supposedly unbiased articles that just state the news, click on the comments. You will find overwhelmingly people hating on Blake and supporting Justin. I’m not going on weird subreddits, I’m literally just looking at mainstream media and the comments people are posting.

But also explain how she has lost millions of followers, including 100,000 since yesterday’s news.

And explain why the sales of her drink lines and shampoo lines are faltering.

I agree most of the public probably doesn’t care about this and the rest are probably split. But Blake cares about PR because it helps her get cast in movies and it helps sell products. This case is not helping with either and actually doing the opposite and hurting her.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

You are overthinking and over analyzing the Taylor thing. Of course she didn’t take Baldoni side, they were never friends. Sounds like she met him once at the apartment and she’s pissed that she got dragged into this. It would be very weird for her to support Justin. Frankly, I support Justin, but I don’t like the guy. I think he’s a bit of a fraud and super annoying, I just don’t think he sexually harassed blake.

Taylor hasn’t been seen with Blake since October. I think she caught wind of this and was fed up. It’s pretty clear that even before the dragons text she felt like she was being used. It’s now coming out that a bunch of her friends have been warning Taylor about Blake lively for years. Selena Gomez in particular was very weary and always thought Blake was using her. I think seeing some of Blake’s actions and then seeing some of her resurfaced interviews as we all did in August made her very weary. She started distancing herself way before the Kalisi text.

The New Year’s Time article dropped December 21 and Taylor was silent and not supporting her. And that’s when we were all supporting her because the article was so one-sided! I for sure thought she’d been sexually harassed. So it was particularly damning for Taylor, who stands up for women, was silent about her best friend.

I mean, even Blake’s sisterhood of the traveling pants costars, and Amy Schumer issued statements of support at that time. But Taylor, totally silent. And not even willing to be seen with Blake. Or throw any kind of indicator that they were friends when the whole Super Bowl came and went, and Blake was not there.

So I’m a little confused why you’d say “I don’t know what to make of the Taylor thing.” there’s nothing to make of . It seems pretty clear that Taylor is set up with her and cut her out of her life and is not supporting her. Having Travis publicly Unfollow Ryan was icing on the cake, and talk about breadcrumbs, it was instantly picked up and it’s been months and she’s done nothing to say oh it was a mistake. There’s nothing really to make of it. It is what it is.

Filing a federal lawsuit based on actual lies is a big deal. I personally think that if Taylor believed Blake was lying about all this (as many JB supporters do), she would have cooperated more willingly with Baldoni's legal team to help him clear his name.

What I think is more likely is that Taylor believes Baldoni did the stuff Lively is alleging and that he sucks, but also that when she saw how Lively was using Taylor's name and rep in the Khaleesi email and in the IEWU press, she felt used.

I should also note that I don't believe the stuff Freedman alleges about Blake threatening Taylor or trying to get her to delete messages. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

Try convincing Taylor fans that if she thought he was a sexual harasser she would not be doing more to help. I’m sorry, but that just does not pass muster.

You can downplay this all you want, but Taylor severing the friendship is the biggest PR blow Blake could possibly imagine and it’s going to be incredibly difficult to recover from.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

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So you think that after a decade of friendship, being godmother of her children, taking her to the Super Bowl, just randomly she decides that Blake sucks and she’s not going to support her? But she totally believe she was sexually harassed. It’s just that also at the same time she just thinks she sucks and she’s decided to very publicly break off the friendship. Nothing to do with this case, huh? Random coincidence. And deciding not just to go their separate ways, but to make it very publicly obvious and I do anything to tear down the hundred articles a day that comes out speculating the end of their friendship.

Sorry, I don’t think anyone is buying that. It’s pretty clear Taylor think she’s a liar and cut ties with her. There’s no universe that she totally supports Blake, believes her, but then just decided to have nothing to do with her publicly.

Believing Blake's allegations is not the same as believing she was SHed. Blake's case is fairly thin and her allegations might not add up to SH. Certainly even if she wins, it would be classified as a pretty mild example of workplace SH.

So Taylor could believe Blake is being truthful, still think Blake is blowing it out of proportion, and thus be particularly annoyed that Blake pulled Taylor's name into it.

The theory that Blake invented these allegations to take over the movie is a Reddit fantasy. I think the perception within Hollywood is more nuanced than that. It's more likely that this stuff did happen, but also Blake didn't behave great either, and that most people think both Blake and Justin suck and should have found a way to sort this out in private.

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It looks like Freedman has issued a statement, just read about it Us weekly. Looks like they do plan to amend the filings.

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Anonymous wrote:Did not realize until today that Liman is a nepobaby. Dad was Arthur Liman, a very famous lawyer for his role in investigating the Iran Contra affair among other things.

Me too. Total nepo baby!

More positing that the real problem here is the judge, lol.

FWIW, I believe I read somewhere that although he was a Trump appointee, he was essentially one of the judges from the "democratic" set of that group, though I don't know whether it's true or not and I don't know the judge's political affiliations.

Where did I say that? I always know it’s you when you post because you make huge leaps. That’s also why so many people challenge your legal credibility. Most lawyers have better analytical skills.

In any event, I don’t think the judge was conspiring or anything, and he certainly seems qualified. But it does look like he probably got some career boosts from his industry famous father. But I don’t think that means his decisions are bad etc. Just noticing

You just called the judge that issued a decision you very much don't like a "Total nepo baby!" and you think that is not a statement that he lacks certain qualifications to be a judge? "Nah I totes stand behind this nepo baby judge!" is what you were thinking?

Sure, Jan.

PS: I thought Baldoni's claims would get dismissed with prejudice and you didn't so I'll put my "analytical skills" up against yours any day. Just saying.

One can be a nepo baby and still be good at what they do. Sophia Coppola comes to mind. Nicholas Cage also. But yeah, most trial judges don’t have industry famous dads and brothers in Hollywood. It’s a fact. He’s nepo but he’s fine and I have no issues with his qualifications

You do not get a judicial nomination to the district court without a) really wanting to be a trial judge (because it is hard and not glamorous and does not pay well); and b) being very well qualified and/or POLITICALLY connected; and/or filling a political niche for whatever the cause du jour is.

While there can be a lot of shenanigans around judicial nominees, it’s just laughably ignorant to think that Liman’s dad had anything to do with it. In DC having been chief counsel of such and such decades ago is not impressive and those guys are a dime a dozen. I dunno maybe if his dad had been a Supreme Court justice or something; that might make a difference.

Liman has the exact profile of any other district court appointment from New York in that time period.

If you were familiar with who his dad was, there is literally no way it didn’t help him every step of the way. Literally like saying Kaia Gerber hasn’t benefitted from being the daughter of Cindy Crawford. It would be impossible. Not his fault, but by choosing to go into the same field in the same city, he has been given an enormous benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

You are overthinking and over analyzing the Taylor thing. Of course she didn’t take Baldoni side, they were never friends. Sounds like she met him once at the apartment and she’s pissed that she got dragged into this. It would be very weird for her to support Justin. Frankly, I support Justin, but I don’t like the guy. I think he’s a bit of a fraud and super annoying, I just don’t think he sexually harassed blake.

Taylor hasn’t been seen with Blake since October. I think she caught wind of this and was fed up. It’s pretty clear that even before the dragons text she felt like she was being used. It’s now coming out that a bunch of her friends have been warning Taylor about Blake lively for years. Selena Gomez in particular was very weary and always thought Blake was using her. I think seeing some of Blake’s actions and then seeing some of her resurfaced interviews as we all did in August made her very weary. She started distancing herself way before the Kalisi text.

The New Year’s Time article dropped December 21 and Taylor was silent and not supporting her. And that’s when we were all supporting her because the article was so one-sided! I for sure thought she’d been sexually harassed. So it was particularly damning for Taylor, who stands up for women, was silent about her best friend.

I mean, even Blake’s sisterhood of the traveling pants costars, and Amy Schumer issued statements of support at that time. But Taylor, totally silent. And not even willing to be seen with Blake. Or throw any kind of indicator that they were friends when the whole Super Bowl came and went, and Blake was not there.

So I’m a little confused why you’d say “I don’t know what to make of the Taylor thing.” there’s nothing to make of . It seems pretty clear that Taylor is set up with her and cut her out of her life and is not supporting her. Having Travis publicly Unfollow Ryan was icing on the cake, and talk about breadcrumbs, it was instantly picked up and it’s been months and she’s done nothing to say oh it was a mistake. There’s nothing really to make of it. It is what it is.

Filing a federal lawsuit based on actual lies is a big deal. I personally think that if Taylor believed Blake was lying about all this (as many JB supporters do), she would have cooperated more willingly with Baldoni's legal team to help him clear his name.

What I think is more likely is that Taylor believes Baldoni did the stuff Lively is alleging and that he sucks, but also that when she saw how Lively was using Taylor's name and rep in the Khaleesi email and in the IEWU press, she felt used.

I should also note that I don't believe the stuff Freedman alleges about Blake threatening Taylor or trying to get her to delete messages. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

Try convincing Taylor fans that if she thought he was a sexual harasser she would not be doing more to help. I’m sorry, but that just does not pass muster.

You can downplay this all you want, but Taylor severing the friendship is the biggest PR blow Blake could possibly imagine and it’s going to be incredibly difficult to recover from.

Most Taylor fans I know actually think Taylor secretly supports Blake and us just laying low to avoid making it look like she's throwing her weight to bury Baldoni, since he's already alleging that was the plan.

I don't actually know any Swifties who support Baldoni.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like "the public" just refers to people who participate in pro Baldoni online spaces?

I am literally just going by Instagram. People, just Jared, entertainment tonight, E news, supposedly unbiased articles that just state the news, click on the comments. You will find overwhelmingly people hating on Blake and supporting Justin. I’m not going on weird subreddits, I’m literally just looking at mainstream media and the comments people are posting.

But also explain how she has lost millions of followers, including 100,000 since yesterday’s news.

And explain why the sales of her drink lines and shampoo lines are faltering.

I agree most of the public probably doesn’t care about this and the rest are probably split. But Blake cares about PR because it helps her get cast in movies and it helps sell products. This case is not helping with either and actually doing the opposite and hurting her.

That's fair.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

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So you think that after a decade of friendship, being godmother of her children, taking her to the Super Bowl, just randomly she decides that Blake sucks and she’s not going to support her? But she totally believe she was sexually harassed. It’s just that also at the same time she just thinks she sucks and she’s decided to very publicly break off the friendship. Nothing to do with this case, huh? Random coincidence. And deciding not just to go their separate ways, but to make it very publicly obvious and I do anything to tear down the hundred articles a day that comes out speculating the end of their friendship.

Sorry, I don’t think anyone is buying that. It’s pretty clear Taylor think she’s a liar and cut ties with her. There’s no universe that she totally supports Blake, believes her, but then just decided to have nothing to do with her publicly.

Believing Blake's allegations is not the same as believing she was SHed. Blake's case is fairly thin and her allegations might not add up to SH. Certainly even if she wins, it would be classified as a pretty mild example of workplace SH.

So Taylor could believe Blake is being truthful, still think Blake is blowing it out of proportion, and thus be particularly annoyed that Blake pulled Taylor's name into it.

The theory that Blake invented these allegations to take over the movie is a Reddit fantasy. I think the perception within Hollywood is more nuanced than that. It's more likely that this stuff did happen, but also Blake didn't behave great either, and that most people think both Blake and Justin suck and should have found a way to sort this out in private.

Glad someone has a similar take to mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait, so you’re telling me a small time actor and producer of independent films sued one of the most powerful men in Hollywood and his wife and he didn’t win? That’s so weird. Money and power rarely come out on top of these kind of things right?!?!

The public sees right through this and sees it as the David and Goliath story that it is. Already people are speculating that judge Lyman‘s brother is in the industry and involved in some of Ryan’s projects. I personally am not going to go down that rabbit hole and it sounds like a conspiracy, but it gives you some insight into what the public is thinking. No one thinks this was a fair fight or that it was thrown out for legitimate reasons. They think that Blake and Ryan Bought the court.

This may be a legal victory for Blake, but it’s not a PR one.

If you actually read Liman's memo for this order, I think it's very hard to maintain this viewpoint. Baldoni's case was dismissed because it was bad. Liman said that even if you take everything Baldoni alleges as fact, he would lose in the law. They don't even attempt to make the elements if extortion or defamation.

Also, commentators do think this will be a major PR win for Blake. I was just listening to the Behind the Bar podcast and they think this swings sentiment from like 80-20 in favor of Justin to more like 50-50. Given how badly Lively was doing on the PR front, this is huge.

I don’t think Baldoni supporters really understand the enormity of this loss and what it means yet re how Freedman has chosen to pursue the case so far. Legally, Freedman’s decisions have caused an ENORMOUS waste of time and resources. There is a serious chance that Lively is going to be awarded attorneys fees (trebled?) for the work performed so far — that’s millions of dollars and all of that was just to destroy most of what Freedman put out as a legal case since December.

I mean, there *were* those 162 Baldoni supporters who wanted to sign the petition for an amicus brief. So there’s those people.

Wait until you start seeing think pieces that take stock of this decision and what it means that male feminist Justin Baldoni filed a $400M defamation suit to scare the woman who charged him with sexual harassment that was SO FLIMSY IT GOT TOSSED OUT. 400 million dollar joke.

They did this to themselves.

Baldoni should have been offering tens of millions to settle this a long time ago. Now all his leverage is gone. *poof*

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Anonymous wrote:Who knew a judge’s ruling was the end all be all on this sub forum. Page after page of whining over how Johnny Depo dodged accountability and “won” in court only because he was the more famous A-lister with all the connections. The whiners continue to call Johnny an abusive sociopath. Same dynamic here: Blake and notably her husband are A-listers with exponentially more wealthy and Hollywood connections. Blake gets a court “win” and we’re supposed to forget she and her husband manufactured this hoax from thin air?

This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

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So you think that after a decade of friendship, being godmother of her children, taking her to the Super Bowl, just randomly she decides that Blake sucks and she’s not going to support her? But she totally believe she was sexually harassed. It’s just that also at the same time she just thinks she sucks and she’s decided to very publicly break off the friendship. Nothing to do with this case, huh? Random coincidence. And deciding not just to go their separate ways, but to make it very publicly obvious and I do anything to tear down the hundred articles a day that comes out speculating the end of their friendship.

Sorry, I don’t think anyone is buying that. It’s pretty clear Taylor think she’s a liar and cut ties with her. There’s no universe that she totally supports Blake, believes her, but then just decided to have nothing to do with her publicly.

Believing Blake's allegations is not the same as believing she was SHed. Blake's case is fairly thin and her allegations might not add up to SH. Certainly even if she wins, it would be classified as a pretty mild example of workplace SH.

So Taylor could believe Blake is being truthful, still think Blake is blowing it out of proportion, and thus be particularly annoyed that Blake pulled Taylor's name into it.

The theory that Blake invented these allegations to take over the movie is a Reddit fantasy. I think the perception within Hollywood is more nuanced than that. It's more likely that this stuff did happen, but also Blake didn't behave great either, and that most people think both Blake and Justin suck and should have found a way to sort this out in private.

The Taylor copium continues to amaze. She doesn’t believe Blake. If she did, she would have supported her from the get go.

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This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

And yet they correctly predicted dismissal.

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Anonymous wrote:Watch when Blake drops all of this hoax nonsense in a few weeks. July 4th week is my guess. Hush hush settlement, NDAs all around and everyone carries on like this never happened. Hollywood is just an evil fake place. The only winners here are the parasitic lawyers and bottom feeding bot armies.

If there’s a settlement now, it will be a settlement where Sarowitz/Baldoni pays Lively millions of dollars, and not the other way around as the Baldoni supporters who have been urging for months have said previously. Actions have consequences and that MTD Order that we’ve been warning you about for months was devastating.

But otherwise, sure, keep pushing your settlement wish.

She can keep bleeding attorney fees all she wants on this hoax. It’s a lose lose for all involved and the harm has already been done to her and her husband’s reputations.

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Anonymous wrote:Who knew a judge’s ruling was the end all be all on this sub forum. Page after page of whining over how Johnny Depo dodged accountability and “won” in court only because he was the more famous A-lister with all the connections. The whiners continue to call Johnny an abusive sociopath. Same dynamic here: Blake and notably her husband are A-listers with exponentially more wealthy and Hollywood connections. Blake gets a court “win” and we’re supposed to forget she and her husband manufactured this hoax from thin air?

This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

And yet they correctly predicted dismissal.

Yes, it was always an uphill battle. That doesn’t absolve these hoax scam artists. Just as OJ wasn’t innocent.