Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

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Freedman's uncharacteristic silence makes me think he's either planning some insane PR stunt to re-take the narrative or..... he got fired.

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Anonymous wrote:So what happens to Justin PR agents since they were also plaintiffs? They just started their company. There's no coming back from this for them.

Their claims are all dismissed and they are still being sued by Blake for the retaliation. Abel ans Stephanie Jones are also suing each other.

Thanks. I am assuming they keep going or even appeal then. If it was just Justin I could see him settle so he can move on. There's too many people that will be affected though. Abel has to keep fighting. The a list clientele she desires aren't going to do business with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

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LOL where is the PP who was insisting that Blake’s lawyers were terrible and not prestigious enough? or the one insisting that the 1A case would go to trial? Lololol.

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Anonymous wrote:Did not realize until today that Liman is a nepobaby. Dad was Arthur Liman, a very famous lawyer for his role in investigating the Iran Contra affair among other things.

Me too. Total nepo baby!

I think this is a weird definition of nepo baby. Lots of people go into the same field as their parents. And Liman has very real bona fides for his job -- he went to Yale Law School where he was on the Law Review (you could argue his dad's connections could get him a spot at Yale Law maybe, but no one makes law review by pulling strings -- you have to earn it and it's hard) and then his career path is a bunch of extremely hard jobs where you can't coast or rest on connections: SCOTUS clerk, associate at Cravath, worked his way up at the US Attorneys office to become Deputy Chief of Appeals, then partnership at Wilmer and then Cleary before being nominated to a federal judgeship via a bipartisan nomination process (recommended by Democratic Senators and then formally nominated by a Republican).

I'm sure his dad's connections have helped him throughout his career but this is substantively distinct from an actor who gets a plum role in a major film at 16 because their parents know the director or producer. It sounds like he worked very hard to get to the place he's at now.

Also reading his decisions, he's not some intellectual slouch.

I also worked at one of those two firms and was on Law Review at an Ivy League law school. It’s pretty unusual to go from law firm partner to federal judge with no intermediary judicial positions.

No it’s not actually. And lol at the idea that a former Iran Contra investigator would have some kind of pull with judicial nominations.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL where is the PP who was insisting that Blake’s lawyers were terrible and not prestigious enough? or the one insisting that the 1A case would go to trial? Lololol.

I know, right? *crickets*

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Did not realize until today that Liman is a nepobaby. Dad was Arthur Liman, a very famous lawyer for his role in investigating the Iran Contra affair among other things.

Me too. Total nepo baby!

More positing that the real problem here is the judge, lol.

FWIW, I believe I read somewhere that although he was a Trump appointee, he was essentially one of the judges from the "democratic" set of that group, though I don't know whether it's true or not and I don't know the judge's political affiliations.

Where did I say that? I always know it’s you when you post because you make huge leaps. That’s also why so many people challenge your legal credibility. Most lawyers have better analytical skills.

In any event, I don’t think the judge was conspiring or anything, and he certainly seems qualified. But it does look like he probably got some career boosts from his industry famous father. But I don’t think that means his decisions are bad etc. Just noticing

You just called the judge that issued a decision you very much don't like a "Total nepo baby!" and you think that is not a statement that he lacks certain qualifications to be a judge? "Nah I totes stand behind this nepo baby judge!" is what you were thinking?

Sure, Jan.

PS: I thought Baldoni's claims would get dismissed with prejudice and you didn't so I'll put my "analytical skills" up against yours any day. Just saying.

One can be a nepo baby and still be good at what they do. Sophia Coppola comes to mind. Nicholas Cage also. But yeah, most trial judges don’t have industry famous dads and brothers in Hollywood. It’s a fact. He’s nepo but he’s fine and I have no issues with his qualifications

You do not get a judicial nomination to the district court without a) really wanting to be a trial judge (because it is hard and not glamorous and does not pay well); and b) being very well qualified and/or POLITICALLY connected; and/or filling a political niche for whatever the cause du jour is.

While there can be a lot of shenanigans around judicial nominees, it’s just laughably ignorant to think that Liman’s dad had anything to do with it. In DC having been chief counsel of such and such decades ago is not impressive and those guys are a dime a dozen. I dunno maybe if his dad had been a Supreme Court justice or something; that might make a difference.

Liman has the exact profile of any other district court appointment from New York in that time period.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

You are overthinking and over analyzing the Taylor thing. Of course she didn’t take Baldoni side, they were never friends. Sounds like she met him once at the apartment and she’s pissed that she got dragged into this. It would be very weird for her to support Justin. Frankly, I support Justin, but I don’t like the guy. I think he’s a bit of a fraud and super annoying, I just don’t think he sexually harassed blake.

Taylor hasn’t been seen with Blake since October. I think she caught wind of this and was fed up. It’s pretty clear that even before the dragons text she felt like she was being used. It’s now coming out that a bunch of her friends have been warning Taylor about Blake lively for years. Selena Gomez in particular was very weary and always thought Blake was using her. I think seeing some of Blake’s actions and then seeing some of her resurfaced interviews as we all did in August made her very weary. She started distancing herself way before the Kalisi text.

The New Year’s Time article dropped December 21 and Taylor was silent and not supporting her. And that’s when we were all supporting her because the article was so one-sided! I for sure thought she’d been sexually harassed. So it was particularly damning for Taylor, who stands up for women, was silent about her best friend.

I mean, even Blake’s sisterhood of the traveling pants costars, and Amy Schumer issued statements of support at that time. But Taylor, totally silent. And not even willing to be seen with Blake. Or throw any kind of indicator that they were friends when the whole Super Bowl came and went, and Blake was not there.

So I’m a little confused why you’d say “I don’t know what to make of the Taylor thing.” there’s nothing to make of . It seems pretty clear that Taylor is set up with her and cut her out of her life and is not supporting her. Having Travis publicly Unfollow Ryan was icing on the cake, and talk about breadcrumbs, it was instantly picked up and it’s been months and she’s done nothing to say oh it was a mistake. There’s nothing really to make of it. It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did not realize until today that Liman is a nepobaby. Dad was Arthur Liman, a very famous lawyer for his role in investigating the Iran Contra affair among other things.

Me too. Total nepo baby!

More positing that the real problem here is the judge, lol.

FWIW, I believe I read somewhere that although he was a Trump appointee, he was essentially one of the judges from the "democratic" set of that group, though I don't know whether it's true or not and I don't know the judge's political affiliations.

Where did I say that? I always know it’s you when you post because you make huge leaps. That’s also why so many people challenge your legal credibility. Most lawyers have better analytical skills.

In any event, I don’t think the judge was conspiring or anything, and he certainly seems qualified. But it does look like he probably got some career boosts from his industry famous father. But I don’t think that means his decisions are bad etc. Just noticing

You just called the judge that issued a decision you very much don't like a "Total nepo baby!" and you think that is not a statement that he lacks certain qualifications to be a judge? "Nah I totes stand behind this nepo baby judge!" is what you were thinking?

Sure, Jan.

PS: I thought Baldoni's claims would get dismissed with prejudice and you didn't so I'll put my "analytical skills" up against yours any day. Just saying.

One can be a nepo baby and still be good at what they do. Sophia Coppola comes to mind. Nicholas Cage also. But yeah, most trial judges don’t have industry famous dads and brothers in Hollywood. It’s a fact. He’s nepo but he’s fine and I have no issues with his qualifications

You do not get a judicial nomination to the district court without a) really wanting to be a trial judge (because it is hard and not glamorous and does not pay well); and b) being very well qualified and/or POLITICALLY connected; and/or filling a political niche for whatever the cause du jour is.

While there can be a lot of shenanigans around judicial nominees, it’s just laughably ignorant to think that Liman’s dad had anything to do with it. In DC having been chief counsel of such and such decades ago is not impressive and those guys are a dime a dozen. I dunno maybe if his dad had been a Supreme Court justice or something; that might make a difference.

Liman has the exact profile of any other district court appointment from New York in that time period.

Agreed. Liman's dad's background has probably helped him in his legal career in terms of helping him know how to navigate the industry and also likely with some connections early on (perhaps to get into law school or to get his first jobs, though honestly once you've attended Yale and made law review, you can generally get whatever first job you want). But a former federal prosecutor and litigation partner at top notch law firms? That's a very standard resume for a federal judge. A lot of district court judges will first serve as a magistrate or bankruptcy judge, but it's not required and largely a function of when slots open up, which can be unpredictable.

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Wait, so you’re telling me a small time actor and producer of independent films sued one of the most powerful men in Hollywood and his wife and he didn’t win? That’s so weird. Money and power rarely come out on top of these kind of things right?!?!

The public sees right through this and sees it as the David and Goliath story that it is. Already people are speculating that judge Lyman‘s brother is in the industry and involved in some of Ryan’s projects. I personally am not going to go down that rabbit hole and it sounds like a conspiracy, but it gives you some insight into what the public is thinking. No one thinks this was a fair fight or that it was thrown out for legitimate reasons. They think that Blake and Ryan Bought the court.

This may be a legal victory for Blake, but it’s not a PR one.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

You are overthinking and over analyzing the Taylor thing. Of course she didn’t take Baldoni side, they were never friends. Sounds like she met him once at the apartment and she’s pissed that she got dragged into this. It would be very weird for her to support Justin. Frankly, I support Justin, but I don’t like the guy. I think he’s a bit of a fraud and super annoying, I just don’t think he sexually harassed blake.

Taylor hasn’t been seen with Blake since October. I think she caught wind of this and was fed up. It’s pretty clear that even before the dragons text she felt like she was being used. It’s now coming out that a bunch of her friends have been warning Taylor about Blake lively for years. Selena Gomez in particular was very weary and always thought Blake was using her. I think seeing some of Blake’s actions and then seeing some of her resurfaced interviews as we all did in August made her very weary. She started distancing herself way before the Kalisi text.

The New Year’s Time article dropped December 21 and Taylor was silent and not supporting her. And that’s when we were all supporting her because the article was so one-sided! I for sure thought she’d been sexually harassed. So it was particularly damning for Taylor, who stands up for women, was silent about her best friend.

I mean, even Blake’s sisterhood of the traveling pants costars, and Amy Schumer issued statements of support at that time. But Taylor, totally silent. And not even willing to be seen with Blake. Or throw any kind of indicator that they were friends when the whole Super Bowl came and went, and Blake was not there.

So I’m a little confused why you’d say “I don’t know what to make of the Taylor thing.” there’s nothing to make of . It seems pretty clear that Taylor is set up with her and cut her out of her life and is not supporting her. Having Travis publicly Unfollow Ryan was icing on the cake, and talk about breadcrumbs, it was instantly picked up and it’s been months and she’s done nothing to say oh it was a mistake. There’s nothing really to make of it. It is what it is.

Filing a federal lawsuit based on actual lies is a big deal. I personally think that if Taylor believed Blake was lying about all this (as many JB supporters do), she would have cooperated more willingly with Baldoni's legal team to help him clear his name.

What I think is more likely is that Taylor believes Baldoni did the stuff Lively is alleging and that he sucks, but also that when she saw how Lively was using Taylor's name and rep in the Khaleesi email and in the IEWU press, she felt used.

I should also note that I don't believe the stuff Freedman alleges about Blake threatening Taylor or trying to get her to delete messages. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

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Why does it seem like "the public" just refers to people who participate in pro Baldoni online spaces?

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this suggested on Reddit and thought it was interesting (link to thread here, this quote is from the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1l7o47r/did_people_actually_read_all_the_legal_filings/):

"Baldoni’s entire defense was that Blake supposedly made up the sexual harassment to steal the movie. That claim’s been thrown out and can’t be brought up again. I have no idea what Baldoni’s defense is even going to be now. Why did she “lie” about being sexually harassed?"

I am not sure this is true or not and would be curious what others think. But if it is true, this would make this loss a much bigger deal that I think a lot of people currently think it is, because it could have implications for how well Justin can defend himself against the SH allegations. I'm curious if a jury will be as persuaded by just a straightforward defense (this didn't happen, she is lying or her perception is wrong) rather than this theory they've been putting forward that she was lying on purpose in order to gain control of the movie or obtain the rights to the sequel.

I’m not sure how much they can prove she was trying to get rights to the sequel. It’s not a stretch in my mind, but I have no idea if they can prove that or convince a jury.

However it seems very easy to show she was taking control of the movie via of the sexual harassment allegations. They absolutely advanced her role in the movie and it’s hard to argue otherwise. She simply would not have gotten PGA credit, which is a very powerful and sought after credential if you want to do things like direct and produce, which apparently she did. It was smart of Wayfare to write that letter and file it with their legal team to show that they did it under duress.

She also took control of the marketing of the movie which financially benefited Ryan, she blatantly sad that she wouldn’t charge the use of his marketing firm to the film and then she did. So they got paid, but also it allowed her to take control of the marketing and launch her hair products during promotions for the film as well as shill for Ryan’s gin line. Yes, inexplicably she had drinks made with his gin and her booze line even named after characters in the film during promotional events.

She also levered the fact that Ryan wrote the rooftop scene and was able to share that on the red carpet which helped them create the Barbenheimer effect they were trying to create. Tons of red carpet footage of her talking about Ryan and Deadpool. Showing that Deadpool was playing in the marquis next door etc.

It seemed like wayfarer was blindsided by the list after the strike and she used the list to leverage a lot of control over the film. I don’t know how all of it will shake out or even if it will go to trial, but it’s hard not to see that she got a lot of things when her lawyers started sending threatening letters to Wayfarer and alleging sexual harassment.

Gotta appreciate the hopefulness here I guess after a day like yesterday I guess. Not even Freedman is out there spouting this rn so good job you I guess.

I don’t understand what you are talking about. Blake lively still very much has to show sexual harassment and retaliation took place.

Her former best friends don’t believe her, Hollywood doesn’t believe her, but I’m sure she is glad some anonymous poster on DCUM is shilling for her.

I don't think you can conclude "Hollywood" doesn't believe her. She's gotten quite a bit of support. Agent hasn't dropped her, she still gets invited to stuff, she's been seen publicly with Hollywood people. I think people are wary of her because of the bad press but that's different than thinking she's lying.

No idea what to make of the Taylor falling out, would love to know what the issue was there. But I'm not convinced that Taylor thinks she's lying -- Taylor didn't seem particularly in Baldoni's side, and if she thought Blake was just making it all up, I would think she would have been more supportive of Baldoni. Instead it just seemed like she was annoyed to be brought into it at all and annoyed with both Blake and Baldoni. Which reads to me like she thinks they both suck, which is very different from thinking Blake is lying.

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So you think that after a decade of friendship, being godmother of her children, taking her to the Super Bowl, just randomly she decides that Blake sucks and she’s not going to support her? But she totally believe she was sexually harassed. It’s just that also at the same time she just thinks she sucks and she’s decided to very publicly break off the friendship. Nothing to do with this case, huh? Random coincidence. And deciding not just to go their separate ways, but to make it very publicly obvious and I do anything to tear down the hundred articles a day that comes out speculating the end of their friendship.

Sorry, I don’t think anyone is buying that. It’s pretty clear Taylor think she’s a liar and cut ties with her. There’s no universe that she totally supports Blake, believes her, but then just decided to have nothing to do with her publicly.