LLIV - how many of the kids in the class are principal placed?
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Anonymous
| We are at a school with three classes per grade and one is an AAP class. If its true that only 10% of the kids in a school are AAP, then does that mean 2/3 of the kids in the LLIV class are principal placed, and if so how do they justify keeping those same 15-20 kids in that class for four years and not giving other kids a chance? |
Anonymous
Around 20% of the FCPS population is admitted into AAP. Principal placement happens on an annual basis, so the kids selected in 3rd grade won't necessarily be principal placed in 4th. Placement the next year will depend on classroom performance, end of year tests, SOL scores, etc. At many schools, principal placement is subject based, such that the kids who are strong in language arts but weaker in math will be placed in the LLIV classroom for AAP language arts, but then switch classes for math. Other kids who are strong at math but average in language arts will switch into the AAP classroom for math. |
Anonymous
Hm, our school has kept the same kids in LLIV from 3rd-6th with only one or two moving in and out each year. I really can't imagine that 1/3 of the school is actually LLIV. |
Anonymous
| I teach at a LL4 with one class. Honestly, it varies by year. Some years 75 percent are Level 4 and the rest aren’t. Other years it is 50/50 or 40/60. I teach Upper ES and by the time they are in 5th/6th numbers tend to be higher of LL4 kids since kids get status after 3rd grade. For example, 3rd grades numbers right now are 30/60. But by the time they are in 5th/6th it will probably be 50/50 or 60/40. |
Anonymous
1/3 of the kids are likely good enough students that they're capable of handling the LLIV curriculum. Around 40% of FCPS students are in advanced math or AAP math. Any gen ed advanced math kid would be fine in AAP math, since they're nominally the same class. Any kid who is above grade level in language arts would be fine in AAP language arts. Heck, even kids who are only somewhat above average, but are motivated, hard workers would be fine in the LLIV classroom. It's not a very rigorous program. It's also not surprising that only a few kids are moving in and out each year. They're going to select the top scorers on iready, SOLs, end of year tests, etc. from among the non-centrally placed kids. For the most part, there's not going to be a lot of change in that group from year to year. |
Anonymous
| The answer is going to vary a lot by school, and even at a given school it will vary by grade/cohort. From one year to the next average class sizes can differ... e.g. a grade cohort of 78 kids could be 3 classes of 26, or 4 classes of 19-20, and likely could experience both situations from year to year depending how the principal allocates their teachers. As others noted the # of kids in AAP can also vary depending on kids joining/leaving the school, and/or getting admitted to AAP post-3rd-grade. |
Anonymous
| If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ? |
Anonymous
Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade. Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS. |
Anonymous
| As the PP mentioned kids who are Princi placed are glued into level IV AAP and they even attend IOWA tests in Grade 6 and they easily pass on to middle school AAP classes. Im really not sure what makes the difference. They even surpass the committee placed kids |
Anonymous
I doubt that anyone has data to show that Principal placed kids do better than Committee place kids. Principal placed kids take honors classes in MS. Some will qualify for Algebra 1 H in 7th grade. The reality is a far greater percentage of kids take AP/IB classes than were in LIV in ES/MS. The point of AAP is to give kids who are ahead something more challenging so they remain interested in school. Plenty of kids find their groove later in ES or MS and do very well in HS.AAP is not going to set the kids in the program that far ahead. |
Anonymous
| As you mentioned the most important thing of level IV is getting into Algebra 1.If its taken by those Princi placed kids , then there is no point in committee placed .Do you have data supporting how many principal placed kids vs committee placed in Algebra 1. |
Anonymous
| But does this mean that my child who didn't get in to AAP in 3rd just won't have a chance at getting in to the LLIV class unless they get in to AAP? |
Anonymous
The Principal at your school might place your child in the LLIV classroom. You can apply for your child to be considered for LIV for the next grade level. Advanced Math is what your child needs to have a chance to take Algebra 1 in 7th grade. Either way, your child will be fine. |
Anonymous
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at our 4 classes per grade school, 3rd grade is about 50/50 for LLIV after kids leave for the center. Maybe four of the roughly 12 principal placed kids are fully admitted into LLVIV by the fourth grade,...
We had 12 principal placed in 3rd, only 3 weren't back for 4th grade. Another 3 guests weren't invited back for fifth grade.... at this point probably 1/4 of the class are guests. |
Anonymous
Guests? That's such a gross way to describe these kids. |