ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s insane how many meetings they have about something so simple…next year, if you are born between 9/1 and 8/31, you play soccer with this assigned age group that most likely correlates to your grade. Done. Now that so many areas of the country have hosted tryouts and filled rosters, ECNL is not dropping that bomb. It seemed so simple…how do all
these players have to wait well over a year when a lot of them won’t be playing on the same team.

no. my daughters birthday is in August and our schools start mid August, she will not be able to play with her grade

When is the cutoff though for your state? My daughter is late August birthday and we start school mid August but with a 9/1 school cutoff. I am happy with 9/1. She gets to stay on current team with all the girls in her grade. Her being the youngest on the team is the last thing I care about.

[Anonymous]

Come to practice every night dispute being rostered on another team. These are kids that will be with us after the BY/SY change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty clear my sons MLSN2 team is going SY. Anyone whos watched practice would understand why certain kids are now showing up as regulars.

What do you mean “showing up as regulars”.

See above

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty clear my sons MLSN2 team is going SY. Anyone whos watched practice would understand why certain kids are now showing up as regulars.

What do you mean “showing up as regulars”.

See above

Very interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come to practice every night dispute being rostered on another team. These are kids that will be with us after the BY/SY change.

We had a kid come over and practice with our age group and the one below, take that for what it's worth.

[Anonymous]

There is no way coaches won't be planning ahead unofficially. Even parents/players are already planning their options.

In our ENCL club all the parents (U14 team) all know that there is 4 girls on the U15 team that will either need to decide to play up or repeat U16 when the time comes.

I would be shocked if next year some of those girls are not practicing with the team sometimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come to practice every night dispute being rostered on another team. These are kids that will be with us after the BY/SY change.

It is kind of early. This can mean the coach just prepares himself in case there will be some exception this fall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:US Club just finished their bi-annual leadership meeting. From their Facebook post today: At times, it felt like an accelerated think tank with discussions and presentations about: safeguarding, coach education, state cups, the NPL-ECNL RL-ECNL pipeline, NPL member league standards, registration system enhancements and more.
Maybe some transitional info soon?

My assessment of the situation, based on the statements and rumors along the way, and how we got here...

USSF and MLS really did not want to switch away from BY. USCS, USYS, and AYSO really wanted to switch to SY. Clubs and other leagues were relatively indifferent, or at least had a variety of opinions. The case to switch back to SY, for the vast majority of youth soccer not playing for YNT or pre-pro, was too compelling for USSF to just ignore. Demanding everyone stay BY would have risked a divorce between most youth soccer and USSF. In the face of this, USSF could only serve its own, and MLS, interests by slowing it down and leaving open the choice. They nominally threw California under the bus as being "not ready," but the real reason was to give MLS time to make some moves.

MLS has recognized the benefit of going SY for the youngest ages, but is trying to figure out if it can stay BY in MLSN (especially in academies) without creating too many problems with pre-MLSN and B teams. They're currently exploring partnerships, solidifying their second tier, and trying to get their position solidified before fully deciding how all the parts will fit together.

USCS, USYS, and AYSO have made it clear they will switch in 26. They are stuck in a holding pattern until then, waiting on MLS to make its moves. To act sooner would put them at odds with USSF even after USSF claims to have given them what they want. They would look ungrateful, despite USSF having done its best to sabotage the transition, and having a history of putting their interests as low priority. USSF did just enough to keep them from walking away.

GA is stuck in the middle, looking for any competitive edge it can gain from MLS and USSF. If they aren't offered enough assistance, they will have no choice but to eventually follow the rest of girls youth soccer and go SY. They most likely don't care either way, but they are looking for an opportunity to gain on ECNL if it presents itself. Expect them to stay quiet until they get offered something big to stay BY or we get close enough to 26-27 tryouts that they have to give notice of a switch.

So we're pretty much stuck with no major changes until 26-27 other than whatever MLS does to improve its position. ECNL can only change things before then in a tit-for-tat manner with anything MLS does. Clubs can do more internally to transition, but some will and some won't. ECNL doesn't want to micromanage its clubs. They may give some recommendations for clubs, but no meaty rule changes. It's frustrating for the majority of youth players and their parents to be in limbo, but just like the change to BY it's all a result of who holds the power at USSF. They care a lot more about their business than the experience of millions of kids playing crappy soccer. USSF is just not a force for good in the youth soccer landscape.

Pretty solid take.

Divorce wasn’t a thing, USSF is THE national body sanction through FIFA. Any off shoot non sanctioned body would be hot garbage.

MLSNext is not trying to go SY, and if anything MLSN2 will likely also stay BY. That benefits both MLSN and larger soccer ecosystem.

MLN2 teams are the current EA teams that play HS Soccer. I do not believe they will not allow HS Soccer. If they are so stupid as to remove it, my kid will immediately leave for the RL team. I think the club will set it straight before the older tryout next month here.

What I mean is MLS2 will allow HS soccer, and then trap players will be a big issue. So I expect them to transit to SY.

MLS doesn’t believe in trapped players. Hence their BY stance….why would you expect them to feel differently?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The birth year people have been mostly quiet because the age change is officially confirmed. The current issue is people are assuming ECNL is going to make concessions and change early, which they are not. They are losing players because of the wait time and lame duck year. We’ll hop over to GA until they officially change to School Year in 26/27.

They’re losing players because the boys side is a disaster, and there are better alternatives.

Nobody cares about the age change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:US Club just finished their bi-annual leadership meeting. From their Facebook post today: At times, it felt like an accelerated think tank with discussions and presentations about: safeguarding, coach education, state cups, the NPL-ECNL RL-ECNL pipeline, NPL member league standards, registration system enhancements and more.
Maybe some transitional info soon?

My assessment of the situation, based on the statements and rumors along the way, and how we got here...

USSF and MLS really did not want to switch away from BY. USCS, USYS, and AYSO really wanted to switch to SY. Clubs and other leagues were relatively indifferent, or at least had a variety of opinions. The case to switch back to SY, for the vast majority of youth soccer not playing for YNT or pre-pro, was too compelling for USSF to just ignore. Demanding everyone stay BY would have risked a divorce between most youth soccer and USSF. In the face of this, USSF could only serve its own, and MLS, interests by slowing it down and leaving open the choice. They nominally threw California under the bus as being "not ready," but the real reason was to give MLS time to make some moves.

MLS has recognized the benefit of going SY for the youngest ages, but is trying to figure out if it can stay BY in MLSN (especially in academies) without creating too many problems with pre-MLSN and B teams. They're currently exploring partnerships, solidifying their second tier, and trying to get their position solidified before fully deciding how all the parts will fit together.

USCS, USYS, and AYSO have made it clear they will switch in 26. They are stuck in a holding pattern until then, waiting on MLS to make its moves. To act sooner would put them at odds with USSF even after USSF claims to have given them what they want. They would look ungrateful, despite USSF having done its best to sabotage the transition, and having a history of putting their interests as low priority. USSF did just enough to keep them from walking away.

GA is stuck in the middle, looking for any competitive edge it can gain from MLS and USSF. If they aren't offered enough assistance, they will have no choice but to eventually follow the rest of girls youth soccer and go SY. They most likely don't care either way, but they are looking for an opportunity to gain on ECNL if it presents itself. Expect them to stay quiet until they get offered something big to stay BY or we get close enough to 26-27 tryouts that they have to give notice of a switch.

So we're pretty much stuck with no major changes until 26-27 other than whatever MLS does to improve its position. ECNL can only change things before then in a tit-for-tat manner with anything MLS does. Clubs can do more internally to transition, but some will and some won't. ECNL doesn't want to micromanage its clubs. They may give some recommendations for clubs, but no meaty rule changes. It's frustrating for the majority of youth players and their parents to be in limbo, but just like the change to BY it's all a result of who holds the power at USSF. They care a lot more about their business than the experience of millions of kids playing crappy soccer. USSF is just not a force for good in the youth soccer landscape.

Pretty solid take.

Divorce wasn’t a thing, USSF is THE national body sanction through FIFA. Any off shoot non sanctioned body would be hot garbage.

MLSNext is not trying to go SY, and if anything MLSN2 will likely also stay BY. That benefits both MLSN and larger soccer ecosystem.

MLN2 teams are the current EA teams that play HS Soccer. I do not believe they will not allow HS Soccer. If they are so stupid as to remove it, my kid will immediately leave for the RL team. I think the club will set it straight before the older tryout next month here.

What I mean is MLS2 will allow HS soccer, and then trap players will be a big issue. So I expect them to transit to SY.

MLS doesn’t believe in trapped players. Hence their BY stance….why would you expect them to feel differently?

MLS and MLS2 have to be either SY or BY. SY is obviously more appealing to 4 months trapped player. As a business owner, do you want to give away that much revenue to your competitor? The moment MLS rebrand EA to MLS2, the SY is a done deal. I would expect the official announcement in 2 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The birth year people have been mostly quiet because the age change is officially confirmed. The current issue is people are assuming ECNL is going to make concessions and change early, which they are not. They are losing players because of the wait time and lame duck year. We’ll hop over to GA until they officially change to School Year in 26/27.

sure pal. "well hop over to GA" ...give me $100 on things that won't happen. lmao GA hats

If anything, GA has left their future plans more uncertain, which is a turn off. If you go to an ECNL or USYS club, you at least have some idea of what you'll face in 26-27.

It’s only uncertain if you need them to tell you they’re business as usual. No offense, but you’re not that important, they’re not going to send out a press release saying “we’re still in business” ever morning, why would expect them to send out one saying “nothing has changed.”

The member orgs that made changes announced their changes…that’s how things work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The birth year people have been mostly quiet because the age change is officially confirmed. The current issue is people are assuming ECNL is going to make concessions and change early, which they are not. They are losing players because of the wait time and lame duck year. We’ll hop over to GA until they officially change to School Year in 26/27.

sure pal. "well hop over to GA" ...give me $100 on things that won't happen. lmao GA hats

If anything, GA has left their future plans more uncertain, which is a turn off. If you go to an ECNL or USYS club, you at least have some idea of what you'll face in 26-27.

It’s only uncertain if you need them to tell you they’re business as usual. No offense, but you’re not that important, they’re not going to send out a press release saying “we’re still in business” ever morning, why would expect them to send out one saying “nothing has changed.”

The member orgs that made changes announced their changes…that’s how things work.

Several GA just switched to RL, including recent champion league winner SC Surf. They give up boys MLSN for the hope their girls program can be ECNL one day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come to practice every night dispute being rostered on another team. These are kids that will be with us after the BY/SY change.

🤣 you mean exactly what a good club should be doing (regardless of age change)?

As annoying as it is for your team, especially if your kid isn’t also training up, it’s what smart DOC do when they’re building a program the right way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The birth year people have been mostly quiet because the age change is officially confirmed. The current issue is people are assuming ECNL is going to make concessions and change early, which they are not. They are losing players because of the wait time and lame duck year. We’ll hop over to GA until they officially change to School Year in 26/27.

sure pal. "well hop over to GA" ...give me $100 on things that won't happen. lmao GA hats

If anything, GA has left their future plans more uncertain, which is a turn off. If you go to an ECNL or USYS club, you at least have some idea of what you'll face in 26-27.

It’s only uncertain if you need them to tell you they’re business as usual. No offense, but you’re not that important, they’re not going to send out a press release saying “we’re still in business” ever morning, why would expect them to send out one saying “nothing has changed.”

The member orgs that made changes announced their changes…that’s how things work.

Several GA just switched to RL, including recent champion league winner SC Surf. They give up boys MLSN for the hope their girls program can be ECNL one day.

🤣 wut?

[Anonymous]

SC Surf leaving GA for ECNL RL will join ECNL in 26/27 with their boys.