LMVSC town hall

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Anonymous wrote:You know what would be really cool? If JLC did any of the things he promised he would do.

Beyond academy structure, what exactly did JLC promise. Not an LMVSC parent, but this is getting tired. Did he promise you'd win all your matches? Did he promise your ulittle would develop? Did he promise EDP glory would follow? Please describe what JLC promised beyond an academy based structure where the kids would develop together. I've read here that he hasn't fulfilled that promise because the teams don't train together. Which is understandably a big deal. But what other promises did he make to the club when he took over that you don't think he's living up to?

Academy structure
Implementation of academy-style training
Core of 5-6 players on red squad
Academy Coach/Team Coach responsibilities
Community-focused (he’s just trying to recruit his old players despite them not following)

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Anonymous wrote:Daily reminder for JLC to update scores. C’mon son! You can do this!

Don't hold your breath. Still waiting for him to fulfill promises on our academy training system. Weren't we supposed to be better than Ajax by now or something?

Your player pool is not large enough. Kind of hard to implement without numbers.

Odd. We all knew that going in. We all knew it wasn't going to work. And what was JLC's decision? It's almost like that's what we've been saying all along. He doesn't care about our community nor what we seek.

He and the club (not just him, there were other directors involved) made a decision that they thought would help the club. I assume that this decision was based on them thinking they were not going to lose as many players during the pandemic. Does this mean he doesn't care about the community. No. I think they need to recognize that the model didn't work and what they should do is look to pivot in another direction to try to save what they can.

You'd think our TD would be able to model how this academy works in his own age groups. A lot of talk was made about how great the system but he has not been able to demonstrate the structure he rambled on about during the meeting in May or June.

Okay, the club decided it. Well the club had their registration numbers and decided to go with it. It was a bad attempt to hide the small player pool.

I'm not disagreeing with you, was just saying that the finger pointing shouldn't be on him only. I agree that the implementation has not worked as described which is why they should change and go in another direction in the winter. Just be upfront with us and tell us you decided to change. Probably would get a lot more respect from it. Why wait. Even staying in CCL, find a better place for teams to play based on current player pool level.

Fair enough. But every parent should ask their child’s coach if they’ll return next season.

Wondering why you say that?

Why would the coaches stay? There’s so much fluidity in leadership, LB is still in charge, etc. LMVSC keeps losing like 1/3 of players every season, can’t imagine the pay is that good.

Suppose that depends on your definition of good. It's a not-for-profit so the director salary's are posted or at least will be as soon as the most recent tax statements are uploaded. But if coaches leave, where do they go? Who has openings to take on those coaches? A coach who wants to continue to get paid to do so is only going to make a move if there are jobs for them to take. One one hand, we yell that these guys are incompetent leaders who should never work youth soccer again. And on the other hand, we say the coaches should flee Where exactly are they going to go if they quit? Are Alexandria/Arlington/SYC/Gunston/BRYC as neighboring clubs going to snap them up and start paying for teams that don't exist? I'm sure a couple will land on their feet, but in the game of music chairs, there aren't exactly a ton of high profile teams just waiting for their next uber coach.

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Definition of “good”: money and competitiveness

1/3 of the players have left in successive seasons; this means quality as well as revenue. Regarding your “on one hand” statement, no that’s your perspective and other perspectives exist. Yes those five clubs are good options.

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Anonymous wrote:Daily reminder for JLC to update scores. C’mon son! You can do this!

Don't hold your breath. Still waiting for him to fulfill promises on our academy training system. Weren't we supposed to be better than Ajax by now or something?

Your player pool is not large enough. Kind of hard to implement without numbers.

Odd. We all knew that going in. We all knew it wasn't going to work. And what was JLC's decision? It's almost like that's what we've been saying all along. He doesn't care about our community nor what we seek.

He and the club (not just him, there were other directors involved) made a decision that they thought would help the club. I assume that this decision was based on them thinking they were not going to lose as many players during the pandemic. Does this mean he doesn't care about the community. No. I think they need to recognize that the model didn't work and what they should do is look to pivot in another direction to try to save what they can.

You'd think our TD would be able to model how this academy works in his own age groups. A lot of talk was made about how great the system but he has not been able to demonstrate the structure he rambled on about during the meeting in May or June.

Okay, the club decided it. Well the club had their registration numbers and decided to go with it. It was a bad attempt to hide the small player pool.

I'm not disagreeing with you, was just saying that the finger pointing shouldn't be on him only. I agree that the implementation has not worked as described which is why they should change and go in another direction in the winter. Just be upfront with us and tell us you decided to change. Probably would get a lot more respect from it. Why wait. Even staying in CCL, find a better place for teams to play based on current player pool level.

Fair enough. But every parent should ask their child’s coach if they’ll return next season.

Wondering why you say that?

Why would the coaches stay? There’s so much fluidity in leadership, LB is still in charge, etc. LMVSC keeps losing like 1/3 of players every season, can’t imagine the pay is that good.

Suppose that depends on your definition of good. It's a not-for-profit so the director salary's are posted or at least will be as soon as the most recent tax statements are uploaded. But if coaches leave, where do they go? Who has openings to take on those coaches? A coach who wants to continue to get paid to do so is only going to make a move if there are jobs for them to take. One one hand, we yell that these guys are incompetent leaders who should never work youth soccer again. And on the other hand, we say the coaches should flee Where exactly are they going to go if they quit? Are Alexandria/Arlington/SYC/Gunston/BRYC as neighboring clubs going to snap them up and start paying for teams that don't exist? I'm sure a couple will land on their feet, but in the game of music chairs, there aren't exactly a ton of high profile teams just waiting for their next uber coach.

That was a very good suggestion, to look at the most recent tax filing and compare it to a prior year.

In 2019, LMVSC reports a loss of ($55,513) and reported revenue was down over $170k from 2018 . Even though there was a loss, LB gave herself a $37k (46%) pay raise, gave her DIL (JG) a $15k (33%) raise and provided a $10k (100%) pay raise to a board member? Take away the pay raise to nepotism, the organization turns from a loss to a $7000 profit.

So, you ask why coaches and staff look to leave? At some point, the board needs to look at the 3 fingers pointing back at LB as she throws others under the bus.

It is apparent the customers, staff and coaches have decided to vote with their feet (and money), walking (some running) away from LMVSC.

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That was a very good suggestion, to look at the most recent tax filing and compare it to a prior year.

In 2019, LMVSC reports a loss of ($55,513) and reported revenue was down over $170k from 2018 . Even though there was a loss, LB gave herself a $37k (46%) pay raise, gave her DIL (JG) a $15k (33%) raise and provided a $10k (100%) pay raise to a board member? Take away the pay raise to nepotism, the organization turns from a loss to a $7000 profit.

So, you ask why coaches and staff look to leave? At some point, the board needs to look at the 3 fingers pointing back at LB as she throws others under the bus.

It is apparent the customers, staff and coaches have decided to vote with their feet (and money), walking (some running) away from LMVSC.

Just making sure this gets seen by parents.

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Safe to say LMVSC has 1 more year left of life. Then, it’ll be another corpse.

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That was a very good suggestion, to look at the most recent tax filing and compare it to a prior year.

In 2019, LMVSC reports a loss of ($55,513) and reported revenue was down over $170k from 2018 . Even though there was a loss, LB gave herself a $37k (46%) pay raise, gave her DIL (JG) a $15k (33%) raise and provided a $10k (100%) pay raise to a board member? Take away the pay raise to nepotism, the organization turns from a loss to a $7000 profit.

So, you ask why coaches and staff look to leave? At some point, the board needs to look at the 3 fingers pointing back at LB as she throws others under the bus.

It is apparent the customers, staff and coaches have decided to vote with their feet (and money), walking (some running) away from LMVSC.

Just making sure this gets seen by parents.

The last several years of the tax filings can be located by using this link:

https://www.causeiq.com/organizations/lee-mount-vernon-sports-club,541450490/

It’s mind boggling a professional board doesn’t have a better grasp on the situation within the club. When questions have been asked about PPP and informing us, as members, a transparent look at where the money goes, LB never provides a straight answer. Now it is apparent why she doesn’t want to keep us informed.

2019 was before the pandemic and the revenue dropped a staggering $173k (-11%). LB gave herself a nice increase when the club was reeling. What will happen now that we are in a pandemic year and revenue will likely drop in double digits again?

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^— omg

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Anonymous wrote:Daily reminder for JLC to update scores. C’mon son! You can do this!

Don't hold your breath. Still waiting for him to fulfill promises on our academy training system. Weren't we supposed to be better than Ajax by now or something?

Your player pool is not large enough. Kind of hard to implement without numbers.

Odd. We all knew that going in. We all knew it wasn't going to work. And what was JLC's decision? It's almost like that's what we've been saying all along. He doesn't care about our community nor what we seek.

He and the club (not just him, there were other directors involved) made a decision that they thought would help the club. I assume that this decision was based on them thinking they were not going to lose as many players during the pandemic. Does this mean he doesn't care about the community. No. I think they need to recognize that the model didn't work and what they should do is look to pivot in another direction to try to save what they can.

You'd think our TD would be able to model how this academy works in his own age groups. A lot of talk was made about how great the system but he has not been able to demonstrate the structure he rambled on about during the meeting in May or June.

Okay, the club decided it. Well the club had their registration numbers and decided to go with it. It was a bad attempt to hide the small player pool.

I'm not disagreeing with you, was just saying that the finger pointing shouldn't be on him only. I agree that the implementation has not worked as described which is why they should change and go in another direction in the winter. Just be upfront with us and tell us you decided to change. Probably would get a lot more respect from it. Why wait. Even staying in CCL, find a better place for teams to play based on current player pool level.

Fair enough. But every parent should ask their child’s coach if they’ll return next season.

Wondering why you say that?

Why would the coaches stay? There’s so much fluidity in leadership, LB is still in charge, etc. LMVSC keeps losing like 1/3 of players every season, can’t imagine the pay is that good.

Suppose that depends on your definition of good. It's a not-for-profit so the director salary's are posted or at least will be as soon as the most recent tax statements are uploaded. But if coaches leave, where do they go? Who has openings to take on those coaches? A coach who wants to continue to get paid to do so is only going to make a move if there are jobs for them to take. One one hand, we yell that these guys are incompetent leaders who should never work youth soccer again. And on the other hand, we say the coaches should flee Where exactly are they going to go if they quit? Are Alexandria/Arlington/SYC/Gunston/BRYC as neighboring clubs going to snap them up and start paying for teams that don't exist? I'm sure a couple will land on their feet, but in the game of music chairs, there aren't exactly a ton of high profile teams just waiting for their next uber coach.

That was a very good suggestion, to look at the most recent tax filing and compare it to a prior year.

In 2019, LMVSC reports a loss of ($55,513) and reported revenue was down over $170k from 2018 . Even though there was a loss, LB gave herself a $37k (46%) pay raise, gave her DIL (JG) a $15k (33%) raise and provided a $10k (100%) pay raise to a board member? Take away the pay raise to nepotism, the organization turns from a loss to a $7000 profit.

So, you ask why coaches and staff look to leave? At some point, the board needs to look at the 3 fingers pointing back at LB as she throws others under the bus.

It is apparent the customers, staff and coaches have decided to vote with their feet (and money), walking (some running) away from LMVSC.

Good analysis, thank you for taking time to do the comparison. That's just astounding. I don't have any concept of what someone in that position gets paid by other clubs and therefore no idea exactly how horrific that is, but it certainly doesn't look good even in the best of cases. Just shaking my head.

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How much was LB’s total pay after the raise.

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Anonymous wrote:How much was LB’s total pay after the raise.

If I’m reading this correctly, LB made $117,053 as a W2 in 2019. As she also coaches, the pay for coaches is not reported on a W2 as they are considered 1099 contractors. Including her coaching pay, she likely pulled $135,000 from LMVSC. If she coached 2 teams, she’s close to $155k.

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Anonymous wrote:How much was LB’s total pay after the raise.

If I’m reading this correctly, LB made $117,053 as a W2 in 2019. As she also coaches, the pay for coaches is not reported on a W2 as they are considered 1099 contractors. Including her coaching pay, she likely pulled $135,000 from LMVSC. If she coached 2 teams, she’s close to $155k.

As an ED, she can have unlimited card swipes increasing the realized pay by a fair amount. With card swipes included, her compensation could be increased by $20000 at a minimum.

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I feel like the next town hall is going to be a little more rambunctious from the audience, or, the audience will be a LOT smaller.

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I think many people on this thread questioning LB's leadership are working under the assumption she wants the club to grow and be successful on par with other local clubs. The truth of the matter is she is perfectly content maintaining a mid-size recreation program and travel soccer teams routinely hovering at the middle of the pack. If, every now and again, a team shows flashes of being "good" by winning the middle bracket at a tournament, moving up from NCSL Division 3 to 2, or having the occasional older player signing with a D2 or D3 college, then she uses these things as marketing. She is savvy enough to know how to keep LMVSC solvent, which provides her just enough presence in the crowded youth soccer market so that the uniformed families, who prioritize geographic convenience as their primary reason for signing up, will select LMVSC. Moreover, it allows her to retain control over the club and continue to draw the salary she does. When the club grew a few years ago and started to see real improvements in performance, followed by increases in players, she started to lose a little control and found ways to remind everyone she was in charge. Thus, leading to the demise you see happening over the last 18 months.

As suggested, there will always be families with small children in and around Manchester Lakes, Edison, Lee District Park, and Bryant who will sign their children up with LMVSC because it's near by. I'm sure much in the same way most of us were enticed to do so when we invested in the organization. These families, mine included, spent years in rec, transitioned to travel, and were promised all sorts of things in order to buy into the LMVSC brand. When my family was aware enough to know what was going on, we'd missed an opportunity for an older player but moved on so that the same mistakes were not made with the younger player.

In the final analysis, LB is loyal to no one but herself and her own self interest. LMVSC is her club and no one is going to change the way the organization is run until she decides to retire because she will not be removed by the so called "Board of Directors" no matter how many people walk away. She knows there will always be someone else waiting in the wings ready to sign up their ulittle to the neighborhood soccer program.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many people on this thread questioning LB's leadership are working under the assumption she wants the club to grow and be successful on par with other local clubs. The truth of the matter is she is perfectly content maintaining a mid-size recreation program and travel soccer teams routinely hovering at the middle of the pack. If, every now and again, a team shows flashes of being "good" by winning the middle bracket at a tournament, moving up from NCSL Division 3 to 2, or having the occasional older player signing with a D2 or D3 college, then she uses these things as marketing. She is savvy enough to know how to keep LMVSC solvent, which provides her just enough presence in the crowded youth soccer market so that the uniformed families, who prioritize geographic convenience as their primary reason for signing up, will select LMVSC. Moreover, it allows her to retain control over the club and continue to draw the salary she does. When the club grew a few years ago and started to see real improvements in performance, followed by increases in players, she started to lose a little control and found ways to remind everyone she was in charge. Thus, leading to the demise you see happening over the last 18 months.

As suggested, there will always be families with small children in and around Manchester Lakes, Edison, Lee District Park, and Bryant who will sign their children up with LMVSC because it's near by. I'm sure much in the same way most of us were enticed to do so when we invested in the organization. These families, mine included, spent years in rec, transitioned to travel, and were promised all sorts of things in order to buy into the LMVSC brand. When my family was aware enough to know what was going on, we'd missed an opportunity for an older player but moved on so that the same mistakes were not made with the younger player.

In the final analysis, LB is loyal to no one but herself and her own self interest. LMVSC is her club and no one is going to change the way the organization is run until she decides to retire because she will not be removed by the so called "Board of Directors" no matter how many people walk away. She knows there will always be someone else waiting in the wings ready to sign up their ulittle to the neighborhood soccer program.

I believe this to be pretty accurate, except one thing: all those neighborhoods have clubs plenty close.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many people on this thread questioning LB's leadership are working under the assumption she wants the club to grow and be successful on par with other local clubs. The truth of the matter is she is perfectly content maintaining a mid-size recreation program and travel soccer teams routinely hovering at the middle of the pack. If, every now and again, a team shows flashes of being "good" by winning the middle bracket at a tournament, moving up from NCSL Division 3 to 2, or having the occasional older player signing with a D2 or D3 college, then she uses these things as marketing. She is savvy enough to know how to keep LMVSC solvent, which provides her just enough presence in the crowded youth soccer market so that the uniformed families, who prioritize geographic convenience as their primary reason for signing up, will select LMVSC. Moreover, it allows her to retain control over the club and continue to draw the salary she does. When the club grew a few years ago and started to see real improvements in performance, followed by increases in players, she started to lose a little control and found ways to remind everyone she was in charge. Thus, leading to the demise you see happening over the last 18 months.

As suggested, there will always be families with small children in and around Manchester Lakes, Edison, Lee District Park, and Bryant who will sign their children up with LMVSC because it's near by. I'm sure much in the same way most of us were enticed to do so when we invested in the organization. These families, mine included, spent years in rec, transitioned to travel, and were promised all sorts of things in order to buy into the LMVSC brand. When my family was aware enough to know what was going on, we'd missed an opportunity for an older player but moved on so that the same mistakes were not made with the younger player.

In the final analysis, LB is loyal to no one but herself and her own self interest. LMVSC is her club and no one is going to change the way the organization is run until she decides to retire because she will not be removed by the so called "Board of Directors" no matter how many people walk away. She knows there will always be someone else waiting in the wings ready to sign up their ulittle to the neighborhood soccer program.

dang that was right on point.