Who did you think killed JonBenet?

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I didn't follow the case closely when it happened - but at the time I figured it was the weird pageant mom. Now that I see that actually the media really built that up - and that she was actually a fairly normal kid with a few pageants a year - I think most of the evidence points to Santa. I think he knew the Ramsey's were going to be at a party for hours, got into the house that he knew well, and took his sweet time writing that ransom note to throw off police (not because he actually wanted money). He has a pattern of going on and on...in the note, at the funeral, and later in interviews when he should have just shut up. Maybe his wife was involved, I don't know. The ransom note seemed like him and his wife. Seemed like theater. Patsy didn't strike me as someone who watched Dirty Harry and Speed a lot.

Big red flag that he begged Patsy to have the party on the premise that some filmmaker/photographer was going to be there and the guy wasn't there? It was odd he wanted her to have the party so much and it turned out he wanted it under false pretenses. Clearly he knew the house well. Clearly he had an unhealthy fixation with JB. That whole secret thing was a huge red flag too.

As for the Ramsey's - the only things that add up to them doing it come from too many competing theories. Like it was premeditated (they ordered the American Girl so they would have a back up, or they fed her pineapple for some reason) which goes against the theory that Patsy was outraged she had had an accident, hit her, then had to elaborately stage her death.

The tombstone saying Dec. 25 to me was not odd either. They were religious so that date probably made more sense to them. And like others have said, they probably wanted to think of her last day of life as the last day they spent together, not the horrific incidents of December 26.

I'm pretty cynical - as are a lot of people. The whole, "people don't want to believe parents could do such a thing" doesn't ring true. As others have said, parents DO do this kind of thing, but not in such a bizarre way.



I agree with you it could have been Santa. He could have been alone or had an accomplice- his wife, his son Jesse, Michael Hegloth, or another unknown peodophile. I find it odd that his daughter and her friend were kidnapped and the friend sexually assulted 12/26 twenty-two years before and his daughter was not harmed in anyway. That sounds like someone who had a fixation with the friend but didn't want their own daughter harmed. When he was first interviewed by police he didn't even mention this. When police found out about it he said he forgot because it was so long ago. I don't think you would ever forget that. I think it is odd that the police didn't find any of his beard hairs from when he was there on 12/23. The last day the housekeeper was at the house was 12/23 helping with the party. The house would not have been vacuumed after that party. The police if they had been doing their job would have found hair/Dna of him in that house from 12/23. That shows how poor the whole crime scene was taken care of. There would be no fingerprints or blood from the suspect if they wore gloves and did not bleed. Also they thought the body had been wiped down. The killer could have brought a lint brush and used wet towels or baby wipes if he was worried about leaving anything behind. Santa's handwriting was never eliminated either. Santa was probate he only one of all the suspects that would write a three page ransom note. That was the strangest clue from the crime scene. He may have disguised his writing and intent but he could not disguise his rambling ego to go on and on.The police and press were fixated on the Ramseys so the killer was never caught.


This might make more sense if the police didn't actually spend a lot of time investigating him, including collecting his fingerprints and dna which were not found at the crime scene or match the dna present.



The police botched the entire crime scene. They let people walk all over that house and even clean up dishes in the kitchen. They did not secure the crime scene and they let all or any evidence be contaminated. So I don't think it is a stretch to say they didn't do a very good job at collecting evidence either. They kept saying "oh we ruled him out because he didn't match any of our evidence". I think most people doubt that they had any decent evidence anyway.
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Is there any info on what the initials " S B T C" on the ransom note stand for? I read somewhere that Michael Helgoth had a hat with those same initials that was found after his death.
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any info on what the initials " S B T C" on the ransom note stand for? I read somewhere that Michael Helgoth had a hat with those same initials that was found after his death.


Saved by the Cross is one guess.
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The special I'm watching said "Santa" was 1.5 hours away from the crime the night of the murder and there were numerous alibi witnesses.
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any info on what the initials " S B T C" on the ransom note stand for? I read somewhere that Michael Helgoth had a hat with those same initials that was found after his death.


Saved by the Cross is one guess.


That was a stupid one. People tried to say the ransom note had references to the Bible. It did not at all.
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Anonymous wrote:The special I'm watching said "Santa" was 1.5 hours away from the crime the night of the murder and there were numerous alibi witnesses.


Yes, there were four alibi witnesses. But there is some diehard Ramsey apologist that can't let it go.
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A special is starting on cbs in a few minutes
Apparently it's three parts and they name the experts suspect at the end...
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Anonymous wrote:The special I'm watching said "Santa" was 1.5 hours away from the crime the night of the murder and there were numerous alibi witnesses.
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I heard their alibi was that they were asleep.

I also thought Fleet White, the jealous neighbor, could have done it. He was very close to the family and searched the house with John, and discovered the body. He later turned on the Ramsey's and became obsessed with the case, ending up in jail for a short time forignoring a subpoena related to the case. Definitely suspect. Also he was in the navy and an expert at sailing - so the whole thing rope/knot thing was relevant.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The special I'm watching said "Santa" was 1.5 hours away from the crime the night of the murder and there were numerous alibi witnesses.


Yes, there were four alibi witnesses. But there is some diehard Ramsey apologist that can't let it go.


Yes. Also, Patsy was not ruled out as the writer of the ransom note, despite what some here are proclaiming.

Keep us updated about the conclusions from the special! I've decided not to watch, afraid I will have nightmares.
Anonymous
The thing about Santa not being strong enough - if JB went downstairs with him willingly, that makes more sense.

Also, there was a homeless guy in JB's neighborhood around the time of her death whose background included pedophilia and he tried to strangle his mom with a phone cord.Gary Oliva.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/22/jonbenet-ramsey-child-porn-boulder-gary-oliva/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The special I'm watching said "Santa" was 1.5 hours away from the crime the night of the murder and there were numerous alibi witnesses.


Yes, there were four alibi witnesses. But there is some diehard Ramsey apologist that can't let it go.


Yes. Just one person out there who questions that it was the Ramseys.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The special I'm watching said "Santa" was 1.5 hours away from the crime the night of the murder and there were numerous alibi witnesses.


The alibi witnesses were a few family and friends that came over in the early evening and then left. Their alibi for the rest of the night was that they were alone and went to bed at 10 and woke up at 8. They have no alibi witnesses for that time. One of their witnesses was their son who had a criminal history who also went home by himself and drank scotch before bed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The thing about Santa not being strong enough - if JB went downstairs with him willingly, that makes more sense.

Also, there was a homeless guy in JB's neighborhood around the time of her death whose background included pedophilia and he tried to strangle his mom with a phone cord.Gary Oliva.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/22/jonbenet-ramsey-child-porn-boulder-gary-oliva/



Did you see the tv special about him. He made a shrine to Jon Benet and even had Monopoly money that he had attached her face on.
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Welp, using modern technology, it's pretty clear what was said on the 911 call after Patsy thought she hung up.

Why did John say: "We're not speaking to you"? That's a weird thing to say as a parent of an apparent kidnap victim.

Also, no way in hell I am hanging up the emergency call until the police arrive if I'm "the" mom. (Weird that she won't say "her" mom or "Jonbenet's" mom.)
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The thing about Santa not being strong enough - if JB went downstairs with him willingly, that makes more sense.

Also, there was a homeless guy in JB's neighborhood around the time of her death whose background included pedophilia and he tried to strangle his mom with a phone cord.Gary Oliva.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/22/jonbenet-ramsey-child-porn-boulder-gary-oliva/



Did you see the tv special about him. He made a shrine to Jon Benet and even had Monopoly money that he had attached her face on.


That totally makes sense. Bet that lots of crazies did similar. Like that Karr guy.
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