Plane crash DCA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

Rivers are quieter but clearly they need a better plan for avoiding active DCA jet traffic.

I'm the PP you quoted. I saw a clip on youtube of an "expert" saying that military helicopters fly designated "lanes" or routes and the east edge of the potomac is one common route. However he also said if they helicopter was at 200 ft like it should have been, he would have missed the plane entirely as plans are not that low until they are much closer to the runway.

Yes, correct.

[Anonymous]

Damn, I knew last night that he will blame DEI. Soviet style leadership at it’s worst.🤮

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Man, the male helo pilot (or copilot) said at both ATC warnings that yes, they have visual separation and then went and crashed into the underside of the jet.

W T F.

They could have been watch another plane. It is in the video. Though he could have stopped. Helicopter can hover.

Look at it from overhead. The "other plane" theory makes no sense at all. They flew head on into a brightly lit plane that was in their forward line of direct sight. It didn't just suddenly appear out of nowhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The ATC direction is supposed to be more precise. “Traffic 12 o’clock 2 miles a CRJ. Report in sight and maintain visual separation”. Not “hey bro you see a plane anywhere?”

Probably cause likely will be helo pilot not maintaining separation but I fully expect ATC to be listed as contributing. The insane piece is the tower probably only had 2 controllers (for tower ops. Arrival/departure had a couple more). It’s 2025 and the human factor needs to be removed.

Part of the issue is that the Helo and the the planes are not on the same frequency. So ATC can hear both, but the helo can only hear what ATC says to them and the plane can only hear what ATC is saying to them and other planes. The Helo doesn't hear ATC tell the plane to line up for runway 33. And the plane doesn't hear ATC ask the Helo if it can see the plane and to go behind.

They told the helicopter the plane was heading for runway 33 specifically more than a minute before the crash. Then asked for confirmation.

[Anonymous]

We had Obama, Biden, and lots of DEI…and zero crashes

🤔

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ATC direction is supposed to be more precise. “Traffic 12 o’clock 2 miles a CRJ. Report in sight and maintain visual separation”. Not “hey bro you see a plane anywhere?”

Probably cause likely will be helo pilot not maintaining separation but I fully expect ATC to be listed as contributing. The insane piece is the tower probably only had 2 controllers (for tower ops. Arrival/departure had a couple more). It’s 2025 and the human factor needs to be removed.

Have you listened to the recording? They did not say "hey bro you see a plane anywhere?" They identify the plane by call sign and the runway it is approaching.

There may be review of ATC procedures when a helicopter is within range of flights during take off or landing, but this ATC followed procedure and provided plenty of specificity and direction to the helicopter pilot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

Do you not Nazi how you are playing directly into Nazi rhetoric?

Trump filled the government with grossly unqualified insane people, and you "REALLY hope" non-WhiteMen don't exist, because any one that does exist will be blamed for anything that goes wrong?

THIS IS HOW GENOCIDES LAUNCH

Um, no I'm not. You are not very good at reading comprehension. I hope it wasn't a woman flying the helicopter because Trump and Hegseth will point to that as "evidence" that women and other DEI candidates in the military shouldn't be there. I don't agree with that, but that's how they will twist that fact to further their agenda. Do you understand now?

So any time a woman screws up something (50% of the population) or a POC screws up (40%+ of the population) it's automatically because of "DEI"?

What a logical fallacy.

Does anyone know who was piloting the F35 that stalled out last weekend in Alaska? Was it a DEI pilot?
https://apnews.com/article/f35-air-force-jet-crashes-alaska-b85f19849361ddb3882cdc551f5d0f1d

Women do not make up 50% of military helicopter pilots or anywhere even close to that. But, in any event, as a PP explained, there's a perception that the standards for flying/ATC have been lowered for women/non-white folks and that this has made flying less safe. Again, I am not saying this is true, but it's the claim of Trump/Hegseth + supporters. I'm not sure why you keep getting so angry when I've made clear I don't agree with this claim. It's not my argument, it's Hegseth's. So get mad at him.

Simple.

Pull the qualifications, experience and training from pilots 15-20 years ago and compare them to the last 0-7 years ago.

Who are we putting in the cockpit nowadays?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

The military helicopter was on an annual recertification training flight. They flew straight into the right rear of AA passenger airplane! They were at an unauthorized altitude at impact.
They should have seen the passenger airplane!

There is nothing the AA pilots could have done who were seconds away from touchdown! The AC controllers were talking to both aircraft.

Helicopter said they saw the airplane, but they didn’t, flying directly into it (with night vision goggles on per Hegseth).

+1

Suicide? Mental issues?
Bad eyesight?
Navs broken?
Lack of focus?
Medical issue?
Mechanical issue?

Asking the helo pilots if they saw 'a plane' is like asking a guy in the woods if he saw a tree.

The transcript is available, they didn't ask if they saw "a plane", they asked them if they had a visual on the specific plane by its flight number. They previously gave that helicopter notice of the exact plane as they were approaching.

A flight number isn’t enough. They should have referenced the exact location as well. I would think that would be standard

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

Rivers are quieter but clearly they need a better plan for avoiding active DCA jet traffic.

I'm the PP you quoted. I saw a clip on youtube of an "expert" saying that military helicopters fly designated "lanes" or routes and the east edge of the potomac is one common route. However he also said if they helicopter was at 200 ft like it should have been, he would have missed the plane entirely as plans are not that low until they are much closer to the runway.

Even if the plane is at 400 feet and helicopter is at 200 feet, that's insanely close for a simultaneous pass.

After this, I expect the military helos to no longer cross the approaches to DCA. Which means more helicopters over the neighborhoods in NoVA and PG county. They also need to drastically reduce the VIP flights.

Agree, during busy airport times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Chris Plant of WMAL actually said on air today that the crash was caused by the “armless, legless, handicapped midgets that Biden’s DEI initiatives hired as air traffic controllers.”

In the old days, this idiot would already be out of a job. These days, that talk is celebrated.

Chris Plant and WMAL have been off the cliff for years. Just another right wing echo chamber radio station. I remember the old days with Harden and Weaver and Mark Davis...really sad what it has devolved to.

All the station people . You have a voice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please post links of the victims .. is there a list somewhere?

I haven't seen an list other than what the ice skating clubs have posted, plus the name of one of the pilots.

"American Eagle flight pilot was 28-year-old Sam Lilley"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

Rivers are quieter but clearly they need a better plan for avoiding active DCA jet traffic.

I'm the PP you quoted. I saw a clip on youtube of an "expert" saying that military helicopters fly designated "lanes" or routes and the east edge of the potomac is one common route. However he also said if they helicopter was at 200 ft like it should have been, he would have missed the plane entirely as plans are not that low until they are much closer to the runway.

The projected flight of the helicopter would have taken it over the main runway at national. So the helicopter seems to be above 200 foot restriction and crossing the river from east to west(not the normal flight path)

That’s a mystery to me.

Wtf was the expected route of the black hawk?

Was it really going to cut across the entire river and DCA airport? Or did it just wander into the middle of the river at too high an altitude?

What was it supposed to be doing?!?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Standards for pilots and ATC were reduced to lessen barriers for historically under represented minorities and women. And on the ATC side there have been an explosion of errors and near collisions. This is what the maga crowd is referring to. It’s not fair or at the core true - ATC issues are much deeper. But this is a perception in the aviation community, much of which leans right anyway.

Can you please explain what barriers were lessened? If there is a test, did they not pass it? Could any of it be blamed on training and bias? Is there any factual way to say this is happening? Perception is not fact.

It wasn’t lessened for minorities and women. It was lessened because they struggle to recruit in general. You used to need an BS in engineering to get a pilot training slot. Now many have degrees in “bible studies” because Christian Nationalism raises kids to think the military is doing “gods work.” The pool of candidates has changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter?

There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements.

Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI.

He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training.

I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

Once experience and quality of experience is disclosed, we’ll know if the pilots were well trained and tested or not. Or even mentally stable.

Or drunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Man, the male helo pilot (or copilot) said at both ATC warnings that yes, they have visual separation and then went and crashed into the underside of the jet.

W T F.

They could have been watch another plane. It is in the video. Though he could have stopped. Helicopter can hover.

Unless this was a suicide mission.