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Anonymous
Per the article, things happen, and no one is required to be interested in the details. Now if the Palestinians, instead of engaging in a political struggle, want to use violence instead, they need to be ready to fight back and/or endure consequences, instead of crying "it is not a fair fight"! Again, for the latter, no one has to care. |
Anonymous
Just because you read mainstream news outlets, it doesn't mean you are educated or unbiased. |
Anonymous
| This war will cost Biden the election and poor people and POC will suffer in the US. |
Anonymous
DP. I know exactly what was offered on each occasion and think that the following is inarguably true: 1. The Palestinians will not get a better deal in the future than what they’ve previously been offered. 2. The Palestinian people would be FAR better off today had they accepted any of the previous offers. By any measure of real world impact, the Palestinian leadership has chosen poorly. |
Anonymous
This is absolutely terrible for the IDF. It shows a complete lack of discipline. No fire control at all. This is the downside of conscription. It's not a professional army. Every idiot in Israel does compulsory service - except for the orthodox religious zealots. And that's a good thing. You do not want poorly educated fanatics in an army. I think Israel has every right to destroy Hamas. What happened on 10/7 is not remotely acceptable. Every country on the planet would go to war over those atrocities. But Palestinians in Gaza are morons for choosing Hamas and Islamic extremism. There's no negotiating here. Palestinians in Gaza chose war, and war is what they're getting. But that's no excuse for the IDF to commit war crimes. If this is what they did to hostages waiving a white flag and pleading for their lives in Hebrew, you can imagine what they do to Palestinians. Absolutely garbage army. Netanyahu and the settler extremists need to be removed from power quickly. And every single officer responsible for the trigger happy idiots that killed Israeli hostages needs to be removed from command. Israel is rapidly losing support from a world that was very sympathetic after 10/7. They cannot afford to be thugs and idiots. The moment Sinwar is killed, it needs to stop. And that should be special ops and targeted bombing. Leveling Gaza neighborhood by neighborhood by poorly trained and undisciplined IDF soldiers is not going to enhance the longterm security of Israel. They need to be much smarter. |
Anonymous
This makes a lot of sense |
Anonymous
But everyting in each of the rebuttles depends on the actions of others. You can't make anyone do these things. |
Anonymous
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Israel can take the position it is here to stay and it will not give up any land. Israel can keep killing Palestinians and pushing them out.
In 100 years, no one will question their forcible takeover. But they want to be loved by the world and supported as victims and they take umbrage at being called bullies and thugs. Why not embrace the mean guy characterization like Russia has done? |
Anonymous
The country has never said any of this. You are thinking that the stereotypes you have placed on Israel are real and that has created a conflict in your mind, why are they not living up to their what you call "truth"? But it is not truth, it is a stereotype. |
Anonymous
Yes they have. During decolonization, they were given a very nice state that stretched from the border with Lebanon to the Negev. Hills. Forests, a good coastline on the Mediterranean. Towns like Nazareth and Hebron. Olive groves. But they chose war instead. In 1993, with the Oslo Accords, they were given all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank. Israel would have compensated the remaining 3 percent with their own lands. All the West Bank settlers would have been long gone by now. Instead, Palestinians chose intifada. I don't mean this unkindly, but Palestinians seem to be incapable of having effective leadership. They choose Hamas. They choose Islamic Jihad. They choose the Palestinian Authority, one of the most corrupt parties in the world. Back on the day, the chose the PLO - murdering Olympic athletes, hijacking airplanes, causing a civil war in Lebanon, assassinating Prime Ministers in Jordan, supporting the invasion of Kuwait. I mean, what is there to say. If they had chosen a Gandhi or a MLK, they would have had a state for a long time now. But they don't. They always choose terrorism, violence, corruption, fanaticism. How do you work with this? |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maher with a dose of reality for the Hamas fangurls:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-urges-palestinians-not-believe-myth-from-river-to-sea-israel-going-nowhere[/quote] This is the most common sense thing I have read about what is going on...and a few years ago it would not all have had to been said, but progressives have distored common sense.[/quote] Okay. Two things. 1. It is illogical to say "bad things happen and people get moved all the time" but conclude this with "Israel is here to stay". If things change and people move, they can change for Israel too. 2. "Everyone comes to an accommodation" not by hugs and kisses, but through restoration of rights. There is a reason Jews can reclaim stolen and compensated property in many places in Europe - because people acknowledged that what happened to them was unjust. They weren't told to just get over it. Israel restores pre-1948 property to Jews who can prove ownership. Not to Arabs, mind you. Never to Arabs. You come to an accommodation when the party that wronged you acknowledges the wrong and makes an effort to compensate for the wrong. "Get over it" is not an accommodation. 3. I find it terribly ironic when people parrot the line of "Palestinians were offered their own state on three different occasions!" but you press them for details and turns out they don't know crap about what was actually offered. [/quote] DP. I know exactly what was offered on each occasion and think that the following is inarguably true: 1. The Palestinians will not get a better deal in the future than what they’ve previously been offered. 2. The Palestinian people would be FAR better off today had they accepted any of the previous offers. By any measure of real world impact, the Palestinian leadership has chosen poorly. [/quote] Yes they have. During decolonization, they were given a very nice state that stretched from the border with Lebanon to the Negev. Hills. Forests, a good coastline on the Mediterranean. Towns like Nazareth and Hebron. Olive groves. But they chose war instead. In 1993, with the Oslo Accords, they were given all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank. Israel would have compensated the remaining 3 percent with their own lands. All the West Bank settlers would have been long gone by now. Instead, Palestinians chose intifada. I don't mean this unkindly, but Palestinians seem to be incapable of having effective leadership. They choose Hamas. They choose Islamic Jihad. They choose the Palestinian Authority, one of the most corrupt parties in the world. Back on the day, the chose the PLO - murdering Olympic athletes, hijacking airplanes, causing a civil war in Lebanon, assassinating Prime Ministers in Jordan, supporting the invasion of Kuwait. I mean, what is there to say. If they had chosen a Gandhi or a MLK, they would have had a state for a long time now. But they don't. They always choose terrorism, violence, corruption, fanaticism. How do you work with this?[/quote] Keep MLK out of your mouth. |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maher with a dose of reality for the Hamas fangurls:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-urges-palestinians-not-believe-myth-from-river-to-sea-israel-going-nowhere[/quote] This is the most common sense thing I have read about what is going on...and a few years ago it would not all have had to been said, but progressives have distored common sense.[/quote] Okay. Two things. 1. It is illogical to say "bad things happen and people get moved all the time" but conclude this with "Israel is here to stay". If things change and people move, they can change for Israel too. 2. "Everyone comes to an accommodation" not by hugs and kisses, but through restoration of rights. There is a reason Jews can reclaim stolen and compensated property in many places in Europe - because people acknowledged that what happened to them was unjust. They weren't told to just get over it. Israel restores pre-1948 property to Jews who can prove ownership. Not to Arabs, mind you. Never to Arabs. You come to an accommodation when the party that wronged you acknowledges the wrong and makes an effort to compensate for the wrong. "Get over it" is not an accommodation. 3. I find it terribly ironic when people parrot the line of "Palestinians were offered their own state on three different occasions!" but you press them for details and turns out they don't know crap about what was actually offered. [/quote] DP. I know exactly what was offered on each occasion and think that the following is inarguably true: 1. The Palestinians will not get a better deal in the future than what they’ve previously been offered. 2. The Palestinian people would be FAR better off today had they accepted any of the previous offers. By any measure of real world impact, the Palestinian leadership has chosen poorly. [/quote] Yes they have. During decolonization, they were given a very nice state that stretched from the border with Lebanon to the Negev. Hills. Forests, a good coastline on the Mediterranean. Towns like Nazareth and Hebron. Olive groves. But they chose war instead. In 1993, with the Oslo Accords, they were given all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank. Israel would have compensated the remaining 3 percent with their own lands. All the West Bank settlers would have been long gone by now. Instead, Palestinians chose intifada. I don't mean this unkindly, but Palestinians seem to be incapable of having effective leadership. They choose Hamas. They choose Islamic Jihad. They choose the Palestinian Authority, one of the most corrupt parties in the world. Back on the day, the chose the PLO - murdering Olympic athletes, hijacking airplanes, causing a civil war in Lebanon, assassinating Prime Ministers in Jordan, supporting the invasion of Kuwait. I mean, what is there to say. If they had chosen a Gandhi or a MLK, they would have had a state for a long time now. But they don't. They always choose terrorism, violence, corruption, fanaticism. How do you work with this?[/quote] Keep MLK out of your mouth. [/quote] Why? She is right. It is when people use the civil rights movement as a example of a peaceful political struggle, it is insulting when they use it to justify terrorism and anti semitism. |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maher with a dose of reality for the Hamas fangurls:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-urges-palestinians-not-believe-myth-from-river-to-sea-israel-going-nowhere[/quote] This is the most common sense thing I have read about what is going on...and a few years ago it would not all have had to been said, but progressives have distored common sense.[/quote] Okay. Two things. 1. It is illogical to say "bad things happen and people get moved all the time" but conclude this with "Israel is here to stay". If things change and people move, they can change for Israel too. 2. "Everyone comes to an accommodation" not by hugs and kisses, but through restoration of rights. There is a reason Jews can reclaim stolen and compensated property in many places in Europe - because people acknowledged that what happened to them was unjust. They weren't told to just get over it. Israel restores pre-1948 property to Jews who can prove ownership. Not to Arabs, mind you. Never to Arabs. You come to an accommodation when the party that wronged you acknowledges the wrong and makes an effort to compensate for the wrong. "Get over it" is not an accommodation. 3. I find it terribly ironic when people parrot the line of "Palestinians were offered their own state on three different occasions!" but you press them for details and turns out they don't know crap about what was actually offered. [/quote] DP. I know exactly what was offered on each occasion and think that the following is inarguably true: 1. The Palestinians will not get a better deal in the future than what they’ve previously been offered. 2. The Palestinian people would be FAR better off today had they accepted any of the previous offers. By any measure of real world impact, the Palestinian leadership has chosen poorly. [/quote] Yes they have. During decolonization, they were given a very nice state that stretched from the border with Lebanon to the Negev. Hills. Forests, a good coastline on the Mediterranean. Towns like Nazareth and Hebron. Olive groves. But they chose war instead. In 1993, with the Oslo Accords, they were given all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank. Israel would have compensated the remaining 3 percent with their own lands. All the West Bank settlers would have been long gone by now. Instead, Palestinians chose intifada. I don't mean this unkindly, but Palestinians seem to be incapable of having effective leadership. They choose Hamas. They choose Islamic Jihad. They choose the Palestinian Authority, one of the most corrupt parties in the world. Back on the day, the chose the PLO - murdering Olympic athletes, hijacking airplanes, causing a civil war in Lebanon, assassinating Prime Ministers in Jordan, supporting the invasion of Kuwait. I mean, what is there to say. If they had chosen a Gandhi or a MLK, they would have had a state for a long time now. But they don't. They always choose terrorism, violence, corruption, fanaticism. How do you work with this?[/quote] Keep MLK out of your mouth. [/quote] Why? She is right. It is when people use the civil rights movement as a example of a peaceful political struggle, it is insulting when they use it to justify terrorism and anti semitism. [/quote] Peaceful? MLK lost his life and we are still losing our lives over this crap. |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maher with a dose of reality for the Hamas fangurls:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-urges-palestinians-not-believe-myth-from-river-to-sea-israel-going-nowhere[/quote] This is the most common sense thing I have read about what is going on...and a few years ago it would not all have had to been said, but progressives have distored common sense.[/quote] Okay. Two things. 1. It is illogical to say "bad things happen and people get moved all the time" but conclude this with "Israel is here to stay". If things change and people move, they can change for Israel too. 2. "Everyone comes to an accommodation" not by hugs and kisses, but through restoration of rights. There is a reason Jews can reclaim stolen and compensated property in many places in Europe - because people acknowledged that what happened to them was unjust. They weren't told to just get over it. Israel restores pre-1948 property to Jews who can prove ownership. Not to Arabs, mind you. Never to Arabs. You come to an accommodation when the party that wronged you acknowledges the wrong and makes an effort to compensate for the wrong. "Get over it" is not an accommodation. 3. I find it terribly ironic when people parrot the line of "Palestinians were offered their own state on three different occasions!" but you press them for details and turns out they don't know crap about what was actually offered. [/quote] DP. I know exactly what was offered on each occasion and think that the following is inarguably true: 1. The Palestinians will not get a better deal in the future than what they’ve previously been offered. 2. The Palestinian people would be FAR better off today had they accepted any of the previous offers. By any measure of real world impact, the Palestinian leadership has chosen poorly. [/quote] Yes they have. During decolonization, they were given a very nice state that stretched from the border with Lebanon to the Negev. Hills. Forests, a good coastline on the Mediterranean. Towns like Nazareth and Hebron. Olive groves. But they chose war instead. In 1993, with the Oslo Accords, they were given all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank. Israel would have compensated the remaining 3 percent with their own lands. All the West Bank settlers would have been long gone by now. Instead, Palestinians chose intifada. I don't mean this unkindly, but Palestinians seem to be incapable of having effective leadership. They choose Hamas. They choose Islamic Jihad. They choose the Palestinian Authority, one of the most corrupt parties in the world. Back on the day, the chose the PLO - murdering Olympic athletes, hijacking airplanes, causing a civil war in Lebanon, assassinating Prime Ministers in Jordan, supporting the invasion of Kuwait. I mean, what is there to say. If they had chosen a Gandhi or a MLK, they would have had a state for a long time now. But they don't. They always choose terrorism, violence, corruption, fanaticism. How do you work with this?[/quote] Keep MLK out of your mouth. [/quote] Why? She is right. It is when people use the civil rights movement as a example of a peaceful political struggle, it is insulting when they use it to justify terrorism and anti semitism. [/quote] Peaceful? MLK lost his life and we are still losing our lives over this crap. [/quote] Just keep black folks outta this. Palestinians can determine their own way forward by voting in citizen held elections in Israel. Wait. |
Anonymous
This story only gets worse as more details emerge. 
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