Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

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I hope the FBI investigates the blanket lies that Kavanaugh told yesterday.

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this has been raised already - 43 pages of chat on this is too much to wade through today...

Does anyone else think that its possible Brett Kavanaugh simply cannot remember the incident because it had zero impact on his life at the time and because obviously, he was very drunk when it happened?

I used to believe this until I saw him yesterday. Yesterday he looked like someone enraged because at some level he was ashamed and was lashing out.

He was enraged - and rightfully so. Apparently this country has devolved into guilty until proven innocent. I’d be enraged also, as would anyone falsely accused.

After yesterday, everybody can see he was falsely accused. Looking forward to Justice Kavanaugh taking his rightful place as a Supreme Court justice. For life.

lol

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Anonymous wrote:New fbi investigation will include Swetnick investigation too?

Judge has denied them, as has Kavanaugh, while under oath. Does that make them more credible, or less?

If accuser denial is all it take for an allegation to be "not credible" then why do any investigation ever?

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The father of the Parkland shooting victim, the one your dear Brett didn't want to shake hands with, told him that no, his life was not ruined. A life ruined is having your child shot dead.

Don't you dare say that Kavanaugh's life is ruined.

Dr. Ford's life isn't ruined either.

Oh please. Stop with the hyperbole. You are like the person who says that the person who just recovered from a heart attack cannot claim that they almost died because they don't have brain cancer. Or the person who is grieving because they had a miscarriage cannot understand loss because they didn't lose a living child.

The world is not completely black and white. There are degrees to everything. I think both Judge Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford can say that their lives have been ruined.

As I pointed out earlier, Dr. Ford has been chased out of her house, her family is in seclusion under armed guard due to death threats. She cannot go back to her job because the papparazzi have invaded her classrooms and school, harassed her students and coworkers. Her private phone numbers, cell phone numbers, addresses and homes have all been publically distributed.

Judge Kavanaugh has been painted as guilty by the media. His family and children have also been harassed and he's had to explain to relatively young daughters that he has been accused of sexually assaulting multiple women. Due to the notoriety, he will likely lose his nomination, he may lose his current job as a circuit court judge and he may never be allowed to teach again, something he is fond of. If he is guilty, then this isn't a problem, but it is unlikely that anyone will ever be able to prove conclusively that he is guilty or innocent. But he will be presumed guilty and suffer the consequences of that shadow for the rest of his life.

Let's turn your life completely unside down, threaten your family, privacy, job, home, and children and then tell us that your life is not ruined just because you didn't bury your child.

Wow. Here's the difference - all of the things cited that turn someone's life upside down pass. Lowering a coffin into the ground does not pass. Irrevocable.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Brain Brett

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoQ3RYIFEGB/?taken-by=elarapictures

This is what I’ve been waiting for all day!

Just quoting this hilarious thing for people on this page of the thread who might have missed it

SO FUNNY!!!!

When he shuts up Lindsay Graham, I lost it!

I loved the eye roll of the wife over the beer for breakfast.

that was HILARIOUS! She was doing those expressions through the whole thing. I am sure she is a nice person but come on, it is clear she thinks he has a problem with alcohol. Maybe just deep down but it was written all over her face.

That’s not at all the impression I got. She seemed exhausted, as did he. Their lives have been ruined. But it’s nice that ruining someone’s life has provided so much entertainment for you.

Brett harmed his wife. No one else. Get a grip, Helen Lovejoy.

+1. What about her life has been destroyed? She still has her house, her family, her job, and according to you all of their friends support them. So she can still drop the kids in carline and meet her friends at the club. I think she'll be ok.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a little scary that those women were able to harass Flake in an elevator. He didn’t sexually assault anyone. Where was security? They should seek therapy and protest through legal channels rather than harassing and cornering an innocent man in an elevator. Excuse me if I don’t think that these bullies were heroes. And BTW, I say this as a sexual assault victim.

They didn’t harass him!!! We still live in a world where we can speak to our elected officials!! Giving your opinion to an elected official is actually a part of the franchise of democracy!

You must be joking. This woman and her minions got up in Flake's face, *screaming* at him. They absolutely harassed him and I can't believe people like that are allowed in the building, much less allowed to approach lawmakers in that way. Plenty of guards were just standing around and no one pulled her away from Flake. What a lunatic. If she wanted to "speak" to her elected officials, she should have done so respectfully. But she didn't even come close.

Did Kavanaugh speak to elected representatives respectfully yesterday? Nope.

If you accused ME of doing what he’s been accused of doing...and then I had to sit down in front of a room full of people who had just finished telling my accuser “I believe you” without hearing me emphatically deny the accusations first, I think “respectful” would be a pretty difficult time for me to strike.

That is funny because many people go to court EVERY DAY to defend themselves - actual court where the stakes are million times higher than he faced here. Not getting his dream job??? Sorry, no. How about people facing the death penalty, life in prison, losing custody of their kids? Any defendant would be thrown out of court for contempt if they did what he did, and as a judge, he knows it.

Don't fall for the faux outrage.

1-it’s not a trial but he IS being accused of a very serious crime so expecting him to not be irritated and be respectful to the nastiness of the senators who are taking the accusation as gospel is ridiculous. Further, the case would never actually make it to trial bc no time/place/witnesses/evidence make it an impossible case for any prosecutor to try! Bc you know...that silly burden of proof thing and all)....but 2)—IF it did go to trial he would be able to be calm to the jury bc jury would not have cheered on the accuser with accolades and affirmations of “I believe YOU!” Prior to defendant being called to the stand to testify.
You are the one who (erroneously) compared this to a trial.
It was not. It was a disgusting, political circus!

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The whole debacle is sickening. This knee jerk dismissal of him and his denial of the (unsubstantiated) allegations is repulsive. If there was any evidence, it might be a different matter. But there’s not. Simply a wholesale rush to judgment of a man who has done many good things in his life. Unfortunately, even if his name is cleared, the only results his daughters will ever find about him on Google are that of a sexual assault accusation. Unbelievable.

I had no opinion about the allegations until watching the hearing in its entirety, and I am NOT a Democrat. There is nothing knee jerk about my belief in Dr. Ford’s allegations, or my belief that he was lying about a variety of things yesterday. I don’t necessarily think that he remembers assaulting her, but I am convinced now that he did it whether he remembers or not.

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Anonymous wrote: WSJ: White House 'Shellshocked' by Developments; 'There's No Plan B'

"There's no Plan B here," the person said. Any backup plan, the person said, would not be "viable" given the timing of the midterm elections in early November.

Outrageous to decide on a lifetime appointment just for the sake of boosting your chances in a temporary election. This is no way to govern or run a country.

I'm sure the Federalist society will have another name or two for them by Monday. They had a short list after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Brain Brett

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoQ3RYIFEGB/?taken-by=elarapictures

This is what I’ve been waiting for all day!

Just quoting this hilarious thing for people on this page of the thread who might have missed it

SO FUNNY!!!!

When he shuts up Lindsay Graham, I lost it!

I loved the eye roll of the wife over the beer for breakfast.

that was HILARIOUS! She was doing those expressions through the whole thing. I am sure she is a nice person but come on, it is clear she thinks he has a problem with alcohol. Maybe just deep down but it was written all over her face.

That’s not at all the impression I got. She seemed exhausted, as did he. Their lives have been ruined. But it’s nice that ruining someone’s life has provided so much entertainment for you.

Brett harmed his wife. No one else. Get a grip, Helen Lovejoy.

+1. What about her life has been destroyed? She still has her house, her family, her job, and according to you all of their friends support them. So she can still drop the kids in carline and meet her friends at the club. I think she'll be ok.

Yes! She hasn’t had to move twice like CBF!

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Trump should refuse this blackmail. McConnell should call for a vote and let Collins, Flake, Manchin and MurKowski vote no on the record. This will ensure the defeat of Manchin in November and Collins in 2020. The government can't function like this. The current process will not be fair to future nominees.

Actually this is precisely how our government should function. A senate that takes seriously its Constitutional duty to advise and consent - which involves an honest and thorough vetting of Supreme Court Justices.

No. The government shouldn't conduct public shaming hearings violating both Ford and Kavanaugh's privacy. The process should work like this -- Feinstein forwards the letter to the committee and FBI WHEN she received it -- FBI/committee conduct additional background checks in confidence ensuring anonymity for both the nominee and the accused. The current circus serve no purpose but give cover for career politicians trading favors.

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I guess we have a debt of gratitude to the ABA for sticking up for name of the nation's highest court.

A person close to the White House described those working on the confirmation process as "shellshocked" by Friday's events.

"As of last night, everyone was in a good mood," the person said, saying the view was that Dr. Ford's testimony was "good" but Judge Kavanaugh's was "great." As of 10 p.m. Thursday, the person said, "everything was locked and loaded."

Then, shortly before midnight on Thursday, the American Bar Association issued a letter urging the Senate Judiciary Committee to vote on Judge Kavanaugh's nomination only after a "thorough" FBI investigation. After that, the person said, "It kind of fell apart."

The person said there was "enormous anger" at the ABA from the White House counsel's office and other lawyers working on the confirmation process, describing the letter as a pivotal development that prompted strong discomfort in particular from Ms. Murkowski.

Ms. Murkowski said Friday morning before the Senate committee vote that she remained undecided on the nomination.

The White House isn't expected to talk to any other candidates for the Supreme Court nomination next week while the FBI investigation is under way, the person said.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess we have a debt of gratitude to the ABA for sticking up for name of the nation's highest court.

A person close to the White House described those working on the confirmation process as "shellshocked" by Friday's events.

"As of last night, everyone was in a good mood," the person said, saying the view was that Dr. Ford's testimony was "good" but Judge Kavanaugh's was "great." As of 10 p.m. Thursday, the person said, "everything was locked and loaded."

Then, shortly before midnight on Thursday, the American Bar Association issued a letter urging the Senate Judiciary Committee to vote on Judge Kavanaugh's nomination only after a "thorough" FBI investigation. After that, the person said, "It kind of fell apart."

The person said there was "enormous anger" at the ABA from the White House counsel's office and other lawyers working on the confirmation process, describing the letter as a pivotal development that prompted strong discomfort in particular from Ms. Murkowski.

Ms. Murkowski said Friday morning before the Senate committee vote that she remained undecided on the nomination.

The White House isn't expected to talk to any other candidates for the Supreme Court nomination next week while the FBI investigation is under way, the person said.

On the previous thread, when the ABA news broke, someone asked if the ABA is partisan.

No. They're not.

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Trump should refuse this blackmail. McConnell should call for a vote and let Collins, Flake, Manchin and MurKowski vote no on the record. This will ensure the defeat of Manchin in November and Collins in 2020. The government can't function like this. The current process will not be fair to future nominees.

Actually this is precisely how our government should function. A senate that takes seriously its Constitutional duty to advise and consent - which involves an honest and thorough vetting of Supreme Court Justices.

No. The government shouldn't conduct public shaming hearings violating both Ford and Kavanaugh's privacy. The process should work like this -- Feinstein forwards the letter to the committee and FBI WHEN she received it -- FBI/committee conduct additional background checks in confidence ensuring anonymity for both the nominee and the accused. The current circus serve no purpose but give cover for career politicians trading favors.

Correct. And now we see in a tweet from Senate Dems that they plan to use Kavanaugh's calendar to corroborate Ford's story. On that calendar is the dates of parties, names and places. She will have sudden recall, cite a bunch of psychobabble to say why it's all clear to her now. And women will fall into line and believe it.

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Trump should refuse this blackmail. McConnell should call for a vote and let Collins, Flake, Manchin and MurKowski vote no on the record. This will ensure the defeat of Manchin in November and Collins in 2020. The government can't function like this. The current process will not be fair to future nominees.

Mancin is up by 9 points in the polling. This vote won't define him.

Then he should man up and declare a no vote like Doug Jones did. He is a sleazy politician. McConnell needs to call his bluff.

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Anyone know if Mark Judge hired his own lawyer or if Kavanaugh/Whelan/Judicial Watch hired one for him? That man desperately needs independent counsel. Same with Chris Garrett. Esp. if the FBI investigations includes the Julie Swetlock charges. I can see those two, who don’t seem like they have a good source of income ending up a fall guys.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess we have a debt of gratitude to the ABA for sticking up for name of the nation's highest court.

A person close to the White House described those working on the confirmation process as "shellshocked" by Friday's events.

"As of last night, everyone was in a good mood," the person said, saying the view was that Dr. Ford's testimony was "good" but Judge Kavanaugh's was "great." As of 10 p.m. Thursday, the person said, "everything was locked and loaded."

Then, shortly before midnight on Thursday, the American Bar Association issued a letter urging the Senate Judiciary Committee to vote on Judge Kavanaugh's nomination only after a "thorough" FBI investigation. After that, the person said, "It kind of fell apart."

The person said there was "enormous anger" at the ABA from the White House counsel's office and other lawyers working on the confirmation process, describing the letter as a pivotal development that prompted strong discomfort in particular from Ms. Murkowski.

Ms. Murkowski said Friday morning before the Senate committee vote that she remained undecided on the nomination.

The White House isn't expected to talk to any other candidates for the Supreme Court nomination next week while the FBI investigation is under way, the person said.

On the previous thread, when the ABA news broke, someone asked if the ABA is partisan.

No. They're not.

That's because Fox news was reporting the news with "Liberal ABA..." headline.