Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

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Anonymous wrote:I'm thinking that Liberty University ought to lose their federal funding. They have very few liberals on campus, and they are overtly Christian in values, which is inherently anti-semitic.

Liberty University gets $500M/year in Federal funding, more than any other Virginia university while illegally banning the Democrat club while allowing the Republican club.

Remember that when you have a moment of weakness and want to give benefit of the doubt that a MAGA might not be lying hypocrites who have zero regard for truth or decency.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Harvard required DEI statements from all faculty members.

That isn’t critical thinking, it is textbook indoctrination.

Yes, because there is a civil rights act which these organizations have to adhere to unless or until the Congress repeals the Act.

DEI is a blatant violation of The Civil Rights Act. That’s the point.

Only according to the new guidance from the racist DOJ under the racist Trump administration.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Harvard required DEI statements from all faculty members.

That isn’t critical thinking, it is textbook indoctrination.

Why do you care? People like you with such a complete lack of understanding of the concepts you mentioned would never qualify to be at Harvard anyway.

This is ultimately the unique problem with stupid people. Short people know they are short. Weak people know they are weak. Stupid people are incapable of understanding how stupid you are.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

Harvard is much bigger than just Arts & Sciences. The numbers would be meaningfully different for the university as a whole.

Here's a challenge for someone: Compare the political leanings of Harvard A&S professors to those of Vanderbilt or some Western university.

PP here.

I’ve accepted your challenge and found semi-comparable data (political donations by professors circa 2015-16). 99.37% to Dems, <1% to Republicans.

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2019/01/13/the-off-brand-opinion-how-to-approach-the-absence-of-conservative-professors-at-vanderbilt/

I love the line (written by a conservative): "there is simply a national deficiency of qualified conservative professors elsewhere"

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Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Exactly. These right wing nuts are terrified of educated people.

Why the red states are at the bottom with education in this country.

Liberals in government have the USA testing last among developed nations. While spending exponentially more per student.

Only liberals are capable of such failure

All the liberals in Louisiana? Mississippi?

PP was obviously referring to New Mexico, Alaska, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Michigan, Alabama, South Carolina,....

When you weight Black people at three-fifths, in the Conservative way, those states rank higher in education.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

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Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

I'm sorry that conservatives are such snowflakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's news says Trump totld the federal government to cut all ties with Harvard, and that those remaining contracts amount to about $100 million.

What's fascinating about that is that it shows that Trump's quiver is empty. The researcher contracts are substantial. Threatening foreign students is a big deal. Cutting $100 million in contracts? Well, that matters, but not all that much.

What will Trump do on Thursday or Friday when he needs to show again what a big, strong boy he is but he has nothing left to act on?

I guess he’ll go to the next school
On the list of rejections-
Univ penn

Trump's daddy bought him a seat at Penn.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is now pitting the east coast elites vs. the trades. Whether he can do this is irrelevant. The optics of his position wins the GOP voters. When he loses it reinforces that Democrats are no longer for the working class and that gets the GOP more voters.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-hes-considering-taking-3-billion-grants-harvard-giving-it-trade-2025-05-26/

I don’t think this is the flex he things it is. Most skilled traders have apprenticeship programs that don’t go through these for profit trade schools. And guess what guys in the trades mostly want? To send their kids to a four year college. I work with a lot of these guys and they are all so proud and thrilled when their kids go to college. I’d have to see the details of his plan but very unclear to me that this is even a good political play for the blue collar vote.

Whenever you complete a sentence you've analyzed the issue or deeply than Trump's target audience.

Trump's rhetoric is the level of "4 legs bad. 2 legs better."

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

DP.

Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

I'm sorry that conservatives are such snowflakes.

It never occurs to them that some conservative views are just not deserving of being given equal weight. It’s like listening to anti science folks…just because Joe Rogan gave your point of view air time doesn’t mean that it’s worthy of being taken seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

DP.

Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

I'm sorry that conservatives are such snowflakes.

It never occurs to them that some conservative views are just not deserving of being given equal weight. It’s like listening to anti science folks…just because Joe Rogan gave your point of view air time doesn’t mean that it’s worthy of being taken seriously.

Do you seriously think about what this typing? You seem to think 70 million voters are ignorant, uneducated, racist folks who never read. Get over yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Exactly. These right wing nuts are terrified of educated people.

Why the red states are at the bottom with education in this country.

Liberals in government have the USA testing last among developed nations. While spending exponentially more per student.

Only liberals are capable of such failure

Is this not because every child in the USA, regardless of academic abilities are provided education from K-12; whereas in many other countries school is not mandatory? Additionally, some of those countries separate children at a young age and put them on tracks for trades opposed to academic school work.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

DP.

Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

I'm sorry that conservatives are such snowflakes.

It never occurs to them that some conservative views are just not deserving of being given equal weight. It’s like listening to anti science folks…just because Joe Rogan gave your point of view air time doesn’t mean that it’s worthy of being taken seriously.

Do you seriously think about what this typing? You seem to think 70 million voters are ignorant, uneducated, racist folks who never read. Get over yourself.

Here is a fun exercise for you. Go to a list of states and sort them by percent votes for Trump. Create a column next to that and insert their educational ranking in the United States. The results will be pretty self-explanatory.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

DP.

Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

I'm sorry that conservatives are such snowflakes.

It never occurs to them that some conservative views are just not deserving of being given equal weight. It’s like listening to anti science folks…just because Joe Rogan gave your point of view air time doesn’t mean that it’s worthy of being taken seriously.

Do you seriously think about what this typing? You seem to think 70 million voters are ignorant, uneducated, racist folks who never read. Get over yourself.

dp. Should universities be required to hire 'scientists' who believe in creationism just because some people believe in it?

Not everything in the range of beliefs held by society fits with the universities' research-based approach to teaching and hiring.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Harvard required DEI statements from all faculty members.

That isn’t critical thinking, it is textbook indoctrination.

Yes, because there is a civil rights act which these organizations have to adhere to unless or until the Congress repeals the Act.

You are equating forced/compelled speech with enforcing the civil rights act?

Jesus Christ. Burn the whole thing down.

Yes, let's get away from merit and just go back to white male legacy.

If Harvard was merit based, it would be 70% Asian and the SCOTUS wouldn’t have kicked them in the butt and declared affirmative action, aka government sanctioned racism, illegal.

DEI was simply affirmative action in another costume.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

DP.

Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

I'm sorry that conservatives are such snowflakes.

It never occurs to them that some conservative views are just not deserving of being given equal weight. It’s like listening to anti science folks…just because Joe Rogan gave your point of view air time doesn’t mean that it’s worthy of being taken seriously.

Do you seriously think about what this typing? You seem to think 70 million voters are ignorant, uneducated, racist folks who never read. Get over yourself.

Here is a fun exercise for you. Go to a list of states and sort them by percent votes for Trump. Create a column next to that and insert their educational ranking in the United States. The results will be pretty self-explanatory.

Actually, I think you should follow through with your own suggestion. You'll be surprised.