Top 100 undergrad CS by US News

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Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

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Anonymous wrote:The top job opportunities at UVA are not close to the top job opportunities at CMU, MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Cornell, etc. To argue otherwise is idiotic.

I don't think Cornell would be much better.

You are incorrect: https://www.cs.cornell.edu/undergrad/cscareers/placementreport

This is not impressive considering Cornell is an Ivy in New York. You're comparing Cornell to MIT and Stanford and it's not close to them. The avg CS grad salary at Emory is $98k vs. Cornells 105k. Emory is in the south and its program is ranked 71.

http://career.emory.edu/_includes/documents/Emory%20Employment%20Report%202018-2019.pdf

Agree that Cornell is not Stanford/MIT. But it is close and is comparable in terms of CS legacy, focus, research, size of department, quality of faculty and peer group.
Conversely, Emory is not even close to Cornell for CS - nobody would compare them. Emory does not have have a legacy of CS.

Don't understand the point of Emory being in the South - CS jobs/recruiting are mobile. Cornell is in rural NY, far away from large employment centers. NYC is 4 hours away. Yet despite its remote location, from the linked placement report, a large number go on the the west coast. Emory is in the middle of Atlanta.

The south has lower incomes across the board. It's not about employment centers. Emory is in the south yet the CS grads only make 7k less than Cornell grads, but somehow you're trying to argue that Cornell is vastly better than Emory and UVA. Cornell boosters are clearly delusional.

So you agree at $7K more Cornell is better. Good! I am not sure anyone is saying "vastly" better, and I do not have a definition of "vastly". What income difference would qualify as "vastly" better?

No bird for brain if you adjust for COL Emory CS grads make more. Also jobs in NYC would naturally pay more than jobs in Atlanta. It's more of a wash than anything.

Ahh going right to insults! Nice! Says a lot about you. I won't play that.

I will point out if your are saying it should be adjusted by COL that means 2 things:

1) It presumes Emory grads are not going to work for the most desirable silicon valley companies that were in that Cornell list - this, to many, is a lesser result in and of itself; and
2) Using that measure would mean the colleges in the lowest income areas have the best results, which is a ridiculous measure.

Now please resume the ad hominem attacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

Anyone who has experience in the industry knows this already. But the dcmoms who believe in hierarchy (lots of them in dc as politicans and lobbists/lawyers reign at the top) won't be convinced.

This is not just true in computer science, it is also true in othe technical fields as well. Even though not an economist, I was involved in hiring of economicsts, and obersered they sometimes rejected graduates from stanford, uppen, chicago, columbia, etc. The reasons vary from them left the field many years ago, or they didn't have the skills that were required.

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

This is commonly known but doesn't invalidate the points made in this thread.
No one is claiming graduating from a top school would automatically guarantee you a job or certain salary. It's more like the graduates from top schools are relatively of higher quality and motivation (college admission is a screening process to some extent).
In addition, as many have said, certain top firms recruit mainly from selected top schools (due to the same reasons mentioned above).
On average, there is a significant difference in going to a top school or not in terms of starting your career, even for fields such as CS. Your observation as a hiring manager from a relatively obscure firm doesn't necessarily proof anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

Another CS hiring manager here...I second this!

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

This is commonly known but doesn't invalidate the points made in this thread.
No one is claiming graduating from a top school would automatically guarantee you a job or certain salary. It's more like the graduates from top schools are relatively of higher quality and motivation (college admission is a screening process to some extent).
In addition, as many have said, certain top firms recruit mainly from selected top schools (due to the same reasons mentioned above).
On average, there is a significant difference in going to a top school or not in terms of starting your career, even for fields such as CS. Your observation as a hiring manager from a relatively obscure firm doesn't necessarily proof anything.

Real Moms of D.C.: Prestige Hunters

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

This is commonly known but doesn't invalidate the points made in this thread.
No one is claiming graduating from a top school would automatically guarantee you a job or certain salary. It's more like the graduates from top schools are relatively of higher quality and motivation (college admission is a screening process to some extent).
In addition, as many have said, certain top firms recruit mainly from selected top schools (due to the same reasons mentioned above).
On average, there is a significant difference in going to a top school or not in terms of starting your career, even for fields such as CS. Your observation as a hiring manager from a relatively obscure firm doesn't necessarily proof anything.

This. It will be helpful PPs reveal which firm they work for.

If I am a hiring manager from a top firm and pay $400k for top talent, do I want to sift through thousands of resumes from average schools to find that gem or I limit my search to MIT, CMU, etc where the success rate would be much higher?

The reality is students from top schools are better candidates than regular schools on average.

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

This is commonly known but doesn't invalidate the points made in this thread.
No one is claiming graduating from a top school would automatically guarantee you a job or certain salary. It's more like the graduates from top schools are relatively of higher quality and motivation (college admission is a screening process to some extent).
In addition, as many have said, certain top firms recruit mainly from selected top schools (due to the same reasons mentioned above).
On average, there is a significant difference in going to a top school or not in terms of starting your career, even for fields such as CS. Your observation as a hiring manager from a relatively obscure firm doesn't necessarily proof anything.

This. It will be helpful PPs reveal which firm they work for.

If I am a hiring manager from a top firm and pay $400k for top talent, do I want to sift through thousands of resumes from average schools to find that gem or I limit my search to MIT, CMU, etc where the success rate would be much higher?

The reality is students from top schools are better candidates than regular schools on average.

"$400k for top talent"? Are you crazy? That is so rare, like 20 jobs at most? Why on earth would you use that as a standard for hiring from the top 100 CS schools? Get out in the real world sometime. There's fresh air out there. You've been inhaling your own prestige fumes for too long.

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

Another CS hiring manager here...I second this!

I doubt these people went to top schools. They went to state unis. A community college grad would say the same thing - “I rejected ivy students and hired capable CC grads.”

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

This is commonly known but doesn't invalidate the points made in this thread.
No one is claiming graduating from a top school would automatically guarantee you a job or certain salary. It's more like the graduates from top schools are relatively of higher quality and motivation (college admission is a screening process to some extent).
In addition, as many have said, certain top firms recruit mainly from selected top schools (due to the same reasons mentioned above).
On average, there is a significant difference in going to a top school or not in terms of starting your career, even for fields such as CS. Your observation as a hiring manager from a relatively obscure firm doesn't necessarily proof anything.

This. It will be helpful PPs reveal which firm they work for.

If I am a hiring manager from a top firm and pay $400k for top talent, do I want to sift through thousands of resumes from average schools to find that gem or I limit my search to MIT, CMU, etc where the success rate would be much higher?

The reality is students from top schools are better candidates than regular schools on average.

"$400k for top talent"? Are you crazy? That is so rare, like 20 jobs at most? Why on earth would you use that as a standard for hiring from the top 100 CS schools? Get out in the real world sometime. There's fresh air out there. You've been inhaling your own prestige fumes for too long.

By the time someone is ready to get 400k the work experience and degree matters not where you went to school. I was discussing this with MIT graduated senior manager and he/she said usually they prefer not big school as some of the kids are snobs. Might be one individual opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

This is commonly known but doesn't invalidate the points made in this thread.
No one is claiming graduating from a top school would automatically guarantee you a job or certain salary. It's more like the graduates from top schools are relatively of higher quality and motivation (college admission is a screening process to some extent).
In addition, as many have said, certain top firms recruit mainly from selected top schools (due to the same reasons mentioned above).
On average, there is a significant difference in going to a top school or not in terms of starting your career, even for fields such as CS. Your observation as a hiring manager from a relatively obscure firm doesn't necessarily proof anything.

This. It will be helpful PPs reveal which firm they work for.

If I am a hiring manager from a top firm and pay $400k for top talent, do I want to sift through thousands of resumes from average schools to find that gem or I limit my search to MIT, CMU, etc where the success rate would be much higher?

The reality is students from top schools are better candidates than regular schools on average.

"$400k for top talent"? Are you crazy? That is so rare, like 20 jobs at most? Why on earth would you use that as a standard for hiring from the top 100 CS schools? Get out in the real world sometime. There's fresh air out there. You've been inhaling your own prestige fumes for too long.

By the time someone is ready to get 400k the work experience and degree matters not where you went to school. I was discussing this with MIT graduated senior manager and he/she said usually they prefer not big school as some of the kids are snobs. Might be one individual opinion.

I think the previous poster was referring 400k as your first out of college salary.

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Anonymous wrote:Tech / CS hiring manager here - don't discriminate at all among the top 100 schools. don't care at all. Decent GPA? fine, lets move on and talk shop. The higher ranked placement records is just a matter of the quality of the average student. If you expect the school to bring you along, then sure, you should focus on that. The reality is the best CS candidates are passionate about the industry and do a lot on their own time as a hobby. Personal experiences, internships/professional experience, and how competent you are during the interview matters 1000x more than which school you went to

This is commonly known but doesn't invalidate the points made in this thread.
No one is claiming graduating from a top school would automatically guarantee you a job or certain salary. It's more like the graduates from top schools are relatively of higher quality and motivation (college admission is a screening process to some extent).
In addition, as many have said, certain top firms recruit mainly from selected top schools (due to the same reasons mentioned above).
On average, there is a significant difference in going to a top school or not in terms of starting your career, even for fields such as CS. Your observation as a hiring manager from a relatively obscure firm doesn't necessarily proof anything.

This. It will be helpful PPs reveal which firm they work for.

If I am a hiring manager from a top firm and pay $400k for top talent, do I want to sift through thousands of resumes from average schools to find that gem or I limit my search to MIT, CMU, etc where the success rate would be much higher?

The reality is students from top schools are better candidates than regular schools on average.

"$400k for top talent"? Are you crazy? That is so rare, like 20 jobs at most? Why on earth would you use that as a standard for hiring from the top 100 CS schools? Get out in the real world sometime. There's fresh air out there. You've been inhaling your own prestige fumes for too long.

By the time someone is ready to get 400k the work experience and degree matters not where you went to school. I was discussing this with MIT graduated senior manager and he/she said usually they prefer not big school as some of the kids are snobs. Might be one individual opinion.

I think the previous poster was referring 400k as your first out of college salary.

Get real folks. I am in Tech, and $200k is about the max for a fresh out of school candidate even in the top of the top silicon valley startups, and that too for the rare candidate from Stanford, MIT, CMU, etc. This is less than 0.5% of the graduating class, why are folks here arguing about issues that are not grounded in reality.

Most fresh graduates will be more than happy to get a job, which they will if they graduate from any of these Top 100 CS schools, and they all will be more than happy to make $60K out of the gate. After that, get some job experience, make your resume look good, learn some skills, and certifications, watch your salary double by switching jobs couple of times in the next 5 years. A smart person can double their salary in CS in that timeframe, and that should be more than good enough. CS is hard, no matter what school you go, and anyone who can graduate with a CS major is good enough, stop creating these class distinctions, we are not in communist china but the united states, here the person who can sell themselves better rises to top, not the best PhD Math student. In fact the best Math student from CMU may end up working for the company whose CEO graduated from Penn State because that person is good at marketing themselves

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Anonymous wrote:Get real folks. I am in Tech, and $200k is about the max for a fresh out of school candidate even in the top of the top silicon valley startups, and that too for the rare candidate from Stanford, MIT, CMU, etc. This is less than 0.5% of the graduating class, why are folks here arguing about issues that are not grounded in reality.

Most fresh graduates will be more than happy to get a job, which they will if they graduate from any of these Top 100 CS schools, and they all will be more than happy to make $60K out of the gate. After that, get some job experience, make your resume look good, learn some skills, and certifications, watch your salary double by switching jobs couple of times in the next 5 years. A smart person can double their salary in CS in that timeframe, and that should be more than good enough. CS is hard, no matter what school you go, and anyone who can graduate with a CS major is good enough, stop creating these class distinctions, we are not in communist china but the united states, here the person who can sell themselves better rises to top, not the best PhD Math student. In fact the best Math student from CMU may end up working for the company whose CEO graduated from Penn State because that person is good at marketing themselves

Careful. The Real Moms of D.C.: Prestige Hunters will flat out dispute you here. And trust me, they know a lot about this subject. Just ask them.

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Is it possible people choose a college not just based on hypothetical earnings?