Please explain tryouts

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Anonymous wrote:Who selects the rosters and who decides on the weak benched players? Be careful with the club you aim for and don’t get distracted by their propaganda.

In some clubs benched players are selected at tryouts and they will be benched players until you parents get tired. The club sells you your benched spot when they select your DC the club just does not tell you.

What does this mean exactly?

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Have any kids ever been moved down from the A team?

I have 3 kids, 2 different clubs and from U9-U16, I’ve yet to see a teammate demoted from A to B. It’s unrealistic that all of those kids still deserved to be there from age 8-16 and nobody else progressed. Development is not predictable and it’s not static, but looking at the way teams do tryouts they treat it that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have any kids ever been moved down from the A team?

I have 3 kids, 2 different clubs and from U9-U16, I’ve yet to see a teammate demoted from A to B. It’s unrealistic that all of those kids still deserved to be there from age 8-16 and nobody else progressed. Development is not predictable and it’s not static, but looking at the way teams do tryouts they treat it that way.

On the girls side, I have definitely seen players not asked to return for the next season at ECNL, DA, GA teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who selects the rosters and who decides on the weak benched players? Be careful with the club you aim for and don’t get distracted by their propaganda.

In some clubs benched players are selected at tryouts and they will be benched players until you parents get tired. The club sells you your benched spot when they select your DC the club just does not tell you.

What does this mean exactly?

They take your money with no intention of playing your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any kids ever been moved down from the A team?

I have 3 kids, 2 different clubs and from U9-U16, I’ve yet to see a teammate demoted from A to B. It’s unrealistic that all of those kids still deserved to be there from age 8-16 and nobody else progressed. Development is not predictable and it’s not static, but looking at the way teams do tryouts they treat it that way.

We’ve had 4 kids come down to the B team over the past 2 years at my kids younger age.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any kids ever been moved down from the A team?

I have 3 kids, 2 different clubs and from U9-U16, I’ve yet to see a teammate demoted from A to B. It’s unrealistic that all of those kids still deserved to be there from age 8-16 and nobody else progressed. Development is not predictable and it’s not static, but looking at the way teams do tryouts they treat it that way.

We’ve had 4 kids come down to the B team over the past 2 years at my kids younger age.

Same here. Several kids on my DC's team has been demoted from the A team to the B team. Some of them worked hard and a couple years later were back on the A team.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any kids ever been moved down from the A team?

I have 3 kids, 2 different clubs and from U9-U16, I’ve yet to see a teammate demoted from A to B. It’s unrealistic that all of those kids still deserved to be there from age 8-16 and nobody else progressed. Development is not predictable and it’s not static, but looking at the way teams do tryouts they treat it that way.

Depends on the club I guess. I have seen kids demoted or cut several times. In one case a kid was demoted from the A team to the C team. My DS' current club demotes and promotes kids every year. The movement isn't massive - it's usually 1-2 kids in each direction - but it definitely happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any kids ever been moved down from the A team?

I have 3 kids, 2 different clubs and from U9-U16, I’ve yet to see a teammate demoted from A to B. It’s unrealistic that all of those kids still deserved to be there from age 8-16 and nobody else progressed. Development is not predictable and it’s not static, but looking at the way teams do tryouts they treat it that way.

Yes - even at U9/10 I’ve seen movement between the A and B team, in both directions.

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I think pairing futsal over winter with some “strength” Training ( pushups, sit ups, small weights) is the way to go.

Agreed. Although my son does all that, and still, he is 10th percent in height and 15th in weight. He is a monster at futsal, but fairly mediocre (decent) at soccer. It's just a different sport.

My kids are both better at Futsal...even my older son who is tall and muscular.

They are both VERY technical players with quickness in tight paces. They are good outdoor, but really good in Futsal and prefer it to outdoor.

My younger son is small and skinny for his age so definitely excels in that arena.

Futsal really exposes players that have poor first touch, technical, and passing skills. Playing outdoors on a large field, size and speed can mask the lack of ball skills.

Unfortunately although a large part, soccer is not just technical skills. You need everything listed above, plus the speed, stamina and strength to excel.

agreed.

Futsal doesn’t really expose poor technical skills. The smaller weighted ball, lack of areal play, and lack of space to play at speed actually makes futsal a poor proxy for technical skills. It’s a mistake to believe that someone who plays futsal well will be able to to be a technical player at soccer.

I don’t know - people have different opinions on that. Many players swear by futsal as a way to improve their game; whether it’s technical ability on the ball, or the ability to move in tight spaces.

I understand that futsal is just the officially created version of what was commonplace in Brazil for many years - small sided games played in the street. I’ve read that Brazil’s soccer players benefited from playing it.

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^ my boys always look better technically coming out of Futsal. They both say how it takes some adjusting to the regular soccer ball and it’s lightness after a season of Futsal. Since they are still usually playing some form of outdo over winter too, it’s not a big deal.

The play it because they love it and I think it helps with quickness—in movement, decision making/thinking since it’s much faster.

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Anonymous wrote:

I think pairing futsal over winter with some “strength” Training ( pushups, sit ups, small weights) is the way to go.

Agreed. Although my son does all that, and still, he is 10th percent in height and 15th in weight. He is a monster at futsal, but fairly mediocre (decent) at soccer. It's just a different sport.

My kids are both better at Futsal...even my older son who is tall and muscular.

They are both VERY technical players with quickness in tight paces. They are good outdoor, but really good in Futsal and prefer it to outdoor.

My younger son is small and skinny for his age so definitely excels in that arena.

Futsal really exposes players that have poor first touch, technical, and passing skills. Playing outdoors on a large field, size and speed can mask the lack of ball skills.

Unfortunately although a large part, soccer is not just technical skills. You need everything listed above, plus the speed, stamina and strength to excel.

agreed.

Futsal doesn’t really expose poor technical skills. The smaller weighted ball, lack of areal play, and lack of space to play at speed actually makes futsal a poor proxy for technical skills. It’s a mistake to believe that someone who plays futsal well will be able to to be a technical player at soccer.

I agree that there are differences. BUT

1. There are more similarities than differences.
2. If you watch your DC's team play both sports - there is usually a very high correlation between futsal ability and technical soccer ability. No - it's not 100% - but it's high.
3. Futsal gives players a lot of touches in tight spaces in game situations. That is invaluable experience for both sports despite the differences.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any kids ever been moved down from the A team?

I have 3 kids, 2 different clubs and from U9-U16, I’ve yet to see a teammate demoted from A to B. It’s unrealistic that all of those kids still deserved to be there from age 8-16 and nobody else progressed. Development is not predictable and it’s not static, but looking at the way teams do tryouts they treat it that way.

I would suggest that this is a signal to move clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:SO---they put all of the kids they pre-selected on a few small scrimmage fields. Any kids that are looking to transfer from first teams from other clubs also get a chance on those fields right at the start of tryouts. If in the tryout form your kid is listed on a lower team at another club, they will not get a chance to be put in that sorting group. The will get put to the neverland fields.

Most everyone else gets put on a low field where they might have one coach for 'show'. He/she doesn't really watch the tryout and sometimes even has backed turned talking to someone else.

I have a 16-year old and a 13-year old and this is what I have seen at every Club across the DMV.

This is what we've seen too, that the coaches are only really watching one or two fields depending on the size of the clubs.
I'm sure there are a few star kids moving from other clubs or who are already on the coaches' radar but at one club we saw the fields seemed to be assigned mostly on height and appearance for the younger ages. Then they would take kids off that field as they narrowed it down. The smaller kids never got a chance.

It seemed like the lower teams in early years were assigned at random and there wasn't a real ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:

I think pairing futsal over winter with some “strength” Training ( pushups, sit ups, small weights) is the way to go.

Agreed. Although my son does all that, and still, he is 10th percent in height and 15th in weight. He is a monster at futsal, but fairly mediocre (decent) at soccer. It's just a different sport.

My kids are both better at Futsal...even my older son who is tall and muscular.

They are both VERY technical players with quickness in tight paces. They are good outdoor, but really good in Futsal and prefer it to outdoor.

My younger son is small and skinny for his age so definitely excels in that arena.

Futsal really exposes players that have poor first touch, technical, and passing skills. Playing outdoors on a large field, size and speed can mask the lack of ball skills.

Unfortunately although a large part, soccer is not just technical skills. You need everything listed above, plus the speed, stamina and strength to excel.

I saw a huge difference in kids good at futsal and kids good at soccer on DS's team. One kid had trouble running across half a soccer field and always lost the ball due to that, but in futsal he was incredible. Big kid too.

agreed.

Futsal doesn’t really expose poor technical skills. The smaller weighted ball, lack of areal play, and lack of space to play at speed actually makes futsal a poor proxy for technical skills. It’s a mistake to believe that someone who plays futsal well will be able to to be a technical player at soccer.

I agree that there are differences. BUT

1. There are more similarities than differences.
2. If you watch your DC's team play both sports - there is usually a very high correlation between futsal ability and technical soccer ability. No - it's not 100% - but it's high.
3. Futsal gives players a lot of touches in tight spaces in game situations. That is invaluable experience for both sports despite the differences.