I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.

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Anonymous wrote:How long until TX asks for an energy bail out?

If they did want to join the federally-managed system, who would shoulder the costs?

The Texas ratepayers

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for politicizing this.

Did you say the same to Cruz when he did not support help for NY after the hurricane?

Don't you also think it's rather ironic that many Rs in TX want to secede?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for politicizing this.

Did you say the same to Cruz when he did not support help for NY after the hurricane?

Don't you also think it's rather ironic that many Rs in TX want to secede?

Yep. This same issue was politicized many years ago by republicans, Cruz comes to mind. But of course Democrats will.guve aid to Texas, because we're not heartless jerks.

I'd be just as happy if Texas left the union and dealt with their own issues, since they seem to dislike the rest of us anyhow.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for politicizing this.

You can thank Texas Republicans - they have a long history of politicizing natural disasters affecting others.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what to think. My husband works 25 miles away so he packed up a weeks worth of food and clothes. Please do not make a joke of this. The GOP idiots have not kept up our infrastructure. We can handle 100 degrees but not zero. This is scary. I’m worried about power and I have four greyhounds here.

There are wind turbines throughout the midwest in Iowa and Indiana, Ohio..... and those don't freeze. Why did the ones in Texas freeze?

I am curious as to why you did not mention the coal and gas fired plants that also froze?

I haven’t checked the data but someone I trust told me this weather system is a 3.9 sigma event for Texas. I’d be surprised is windmills in the north are resilient to an equine Lang event, but perhaps they are.

narrator: they are

Somehow, turbines in the upper midwest and on ridges in PA and MD that routinely experience sub-zero temperatures, don't have these issues. Science and all.

Link?

In the 2019 polar vortex windmills throughout the Midwest and the Prairie states shut down due to extreme cold and actually became a net drag on the system as turbines needed electricity for heating to avoid damage to the turbines.

I don’t have time to look at the data, but I know that even weatherized wind turbines don’t operate below -20. Please provide a link that shows turbines in the Midwest and Prairie States still operate during a 3.9 sigma weather event.

So I live in Minnesota and was here for the “polar vortex” of 2019 (right now seems as bad, FWIW). I’m trying to nose around Xcel Energy to see if they what percentage of my energy comes from wind vs solar since the weather right now seems comparable. If there’s a wind farm in the arctic circle, you can bet they should work in the continental US.

No, you can’t make that bet. Nothing is ever that simple. For example, down here in Texas we get mocked for not having salt on our frozen highways and instead Texas DoT use sand. But it turns out that we have to use a special mix of concrete to deal with the Texas summer heat. That concrete is particularly susceptible to damage from salt. If we were to salt our highways we would have to rebuild them a week later. But your typical northerner who moves here always lectures about using salt on the highways during winter freezes. Point being that nothing is ever as simple as it appears.

My uneducated guess is that those arctic windmills are over engineered to deal with extreme cold but they are not a cost effective or viable alternative for commercial use at scale.

We do know that weatherized windmills in the north shut down during the 2019 polar vortex. So this isn’t just a Texas problem.

You need to stop lecturing on things you know nothing about. What a load of BS. First additives are added to concrete during hot weather to slow or reduce water loss during curing. Like all concrete no salt should be applied for 30 days after the pour. After 30 days you are good to go.

The decision to use sand, salt, beat juice, a mixture, etc is made based on temperatures and predicted precipitation. Below 15 degrees salt does not work. Sand provides traction on ice. Southern areas will put sand down because they are worried about overpasses and bridges freezing.

This is just more Texas incompetence and corruption. Very typical for conservatives and one party rule.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Texas wanted to secede? Why should we care?

Only a drew weirdos bring that up every couple of years. Most of us here in Texas are normal.

If that were true, Ted Cruz wouldn’t be your senator. But alas he is.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for politicizing this.

God you really are stupid. You realize electricity and power supple are utilities heavily regulated by the gov and infrastructure depends on the gov right? This is a political issue. And TX elected stupid leaders and now will need help from people w/ brains.

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STOP POINTING FINGERS. ALL AMERICANS ARE TO BLAME FOR NOT ACKNOWLEDGING CLIMATE CHANGE SOONER, UNLIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD.

California, long Democrat-led, has suffered terribly from climate-change-related weather extremes. What's happening in Texas is another weather extreme that will become more frequent with our changing climate triggered by man.

It's not a Dem vs. Rep thing, even though Republicans are more likely to deny climate change than Democrats.

It's that we need a comprehensive, federal, effort to reduce pollution and strengthen our infrastructure so we can all withstand FLOODS, TORNADOES, HIGH WINDS, HIGH HEAT, and BITTER COLD.

IT IS A DEM V REPUBLICAN THING BC IF WE LISTEN TO REPUBLICANS NOTHING WILL GET FIXED.

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Now some areas here in North Texas are told they have to boil their water as it is unsafe. But with no power? Many are putting out pots to gather snow. This may go on until Sunday.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Texas wanted to secede? Why should we care?

Only a drew weirdos bring that up every couple of years. Most of us here in Texas are normal.

If that were true, Ted Cruz wouldn’t be your senator. But alas he is.

I might buy it if Cruz was a Congressional Rep, but since he's a senator.. well..

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what to think. My husband works 25 miles away so he packed up a weeks worth of food and clothes. Please do not make a joke of this. The GOP idiots have not kept up our infrastructure. We can handle 100 degrees but not zero. This is scary. I’m worried about power and I have four greyhounds here.

There are wind turbines throughout the midwest in Iowa and Indiana, Ohio..... and those don't freeze. Why did the ones in Texas freeze?

I am curious as to why you did not mention the coal and gas fired plants that also froze?

I haven’t checked the data but someone I trust told me this weather system is a 3.9 sigma event for Texas. I’d be surprised is windmills in the north are resilient to an equine Lang event, but perhaps they are.

narrator: they are

Somehow, turbines in the upper midwest and on ridges in PA and MD that routinely experience sub-zero temperatures, don't have these issues. Science and all.

Link?

In the 2019 polar vortex windmills throughout the Midwest and the Prairie states shut down due to extreme cold and actually became a net drag on the system as turbines needed electricity for heating to avoid damage to the turbines.

I don’t have time to look at the data, but I know that even weatherized wind turbines don’t operate below -20. Please provide a link that shows turbines in the Midwest and Prairie States still operate during a 3.9 sigma weather event.

So I live in Minnesota and was here for the “polar vortex” of 2019 (right now seems as bad, FWIW). I’m trying to nose around Xcel Energy to see if they what percentage of my energy comes from wind vs solar since the weather right now seems comparable. If there’s a wind farm in the arctic circle, you can bet they should work in the continental US.

No, you can’t make that bet. Nothing is ever that simple. For example, down here in Texas we get mocked for not having salt on our frozen highways and instead Texas DoT use sand. But it turns out that we have to use a special mix of concrete to deal with the Texas summer heat. That concrete is particularly susceptible to damage from salt. If we were to salt our highways we would have to rebuild them a week later. But your typical northerner who moves here always lectures about using salt on the highways during winter freezes. Point being that nothing is ever as simple as it appears.

My uneducated guess is that those arctic windmills are over engineered to deal with extreme cold but they are not a cost effective or viable alternative for commercial use at scale.

We do know that weatherized windmills in the north shut down during the 2019 polar vortex. So this isn’t just a Texas problem.

Uneducated is right. You think they built an entire wind farm in the Arctic circle and that it doesn’t actually generate electricity? You think they built all that for fun?

I went looking for why the wind turbines in MN stopped but most of what I can find is right wing pieces. Forgive me for not trusting the party of professional liars is representing the issue accurately, because as I said I haven’t seen anything about our wind turbines shutting down right now and it’s been plenty cold. Which is to say I’m guessing that Texas cheaper out on their materials.

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Our reps here in Texas deregulate everything. Pro business not people. I still remember that terrible fire in West years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Now some areas here in North Texas are told they have to boil their water as it is unsafe. But with no power? Many are putting out pots to gather snow. This may go on until Sunday.

Thats doable with gas. If you live in a disaster prone area, you should have supplies to deal with that. There are other water treatment options that don't require boiling.

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Wonderful that it didn't even cross my mind!

Yep.

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Anonymous wrote:Now some areas here in North Texas are told they have to boil their water as it is unsafe. But with no power? Many are putting out pots to gather snow. This may go on until Sunday.

Thats doable with gas. If you live in a disaster prone area, you should have supplies to deal with that. There are other water treatment options that don't require boiling.

Unfortunately, most of our houses rely on electricity. Our tankless water heater does use gas.