White’s Ferry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know where I can find the evidentiary exhibits referenced in the judge's 31 page decision? I tried pulling up the case in VA court system online tool, but I can't find the actual exhibits. For example, the 1952 agreement is included as an exhibit. I'd be very interested to see the terms of the agreement.

Email the reporter from WTOP.

[Anonymous]

Libby's family would be aghast at her if they were still alive.

Also, a quick persual of their site would suggest the only POC to ever visit were (i) the slaves who built the place and (ii) some of the catering staff.

If there weren't good reasons to cancel these fools before, there sure are now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if Rockland was built with slave labor?

They rent out the former slaves’ quarters on VRBO

https://www.loc.gov/item/2017892134/
https://t.vrbo.io/wz6k82D1Bcb

The 2nd link doesn’t work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if Rockland was built with slave labor?

They rent out the former slaves’ quarters on VRBO

https://www.loc.gov/item/2017892134/
https://t.vrbo.io/wz6k82D1Bcb

The 2nd link doesn’t work.

Yes, it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if Rockland was built with slave labor?

They rent out the former slaves’ quarters on VRBO

https://www.loc.gov/item/2017892134/
https://t.vrbo.io/wz6k82D1Bcb

The 2nd link doesn’t work.

Yes, it does.

Works for me, and pretty gross to post slave quarters as a country getaway spot. Oh walking distance to wineries! Yay.

https://www.vrbo.com/4656397ha?_branch_match_id=562624256501194873&adultsCount=1&oc=vzcBuFayNlCdRFCxdhRve&utm_campaign=earned%3Avrbo%3Ashare%3AXXX%3AUS%3Aios&utm_content=4656397ha&utm_medium=social&utm_source=direct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Libby's family would be aghast at her if they were still alive.

Also, a quick persual of their site would suggest the only POC to ever visit were (i) the slaves who built the place and (ii) some of the catering staff.

If there weren't good reasons to cancel these fools before, there sure are now.

This is an interesting case because the ferry closure by the very wealthy descendants of plantation owners would unite both POC and the Trump-voting working class whites who rely on the ferry for quick transport between two rural communities. The Rust-Brown family made a lot of enemies with this move.

Also, I’m not sure if her family “would be aghast.” Libby’s mother is the one who initiated the lawsuit in 2009. It seems that the Rust-Brown clan really just wants to be rid of the ferry as piece of their anti-development agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Libby's family would be aghast at her if they were still alive.

Also, a quick persual of their site would suggest the only POC to ever visit were (i) the slaves who built the place and (ii) some of the catering staff.

If there weren't good reasons to cancel these fools before, there sure are now.

This is an interesting case because the ferry closure by the very wealthy descendants of plantation owners would unite both POC and the Trump-voting working class whites who rely on the ferry for quick transport between two rural communities. The Rust-Brown family made a lot of enemies with this move.

Also, I’m not sure if her family “would be aghast.” Libby’s mother is the one who initiated the lawsuit in 2009. It seems that the Rust-Brown clan really just wants to be rid of the ferry as piece of their anti-development agenda.

That really doesn't make sense. The alternative to a ferry is going to be a bridge, not "giving up." A bridge will allow more development.

[Anonymous]

We need a bridge! 15 isn't really conducive to it. 28 would be ideal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Libby's family would be aghast at her if they were still alive.

Also, a quick persual of their site would suggest the only POC to ever visit were (i) the slaves who built the place and (ii) some of the catering staff.

If there weren't good reasons to cancel these fools before, there sure are now.

This is an interesting case because the ferry closure by the very wealthy descendants of plantation owners would unite both POC and the Trump-voting working class whites who rely on the ferry for quick transport between two rural communities. The Rust-Brown family made a lot of enemies with this move.

Also, I’m not sure if her family “would be aghast.” Libby’s mother is the one who initiated the lawsuit in 2009. It seems that the Rust-Brown clan really just wants to be rid of the ferry as piece of their anti-development agenda.

That really doesn't make sense. The alternative to a ferry is going to be a bridge, not "giving up." A bridge will allow more development.

The bridge won’t be placed there. I guarantee it. The Rockland owners will end up with reduced traffic and a private boat launch on the Potomac

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need a bridge! 15 isn't really conducive to it. 28 would be ideal

See, this aligns with what the Rockland owners want. They don’t want any development on the 15. My guess is that they are trying to get ahead of this issue and by closing the ferry, they force Maryland to the table. Rockland folks know a bridge will eventually come, but they’d rather be on another route far away from their 600 acres

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need a bridge! 15 isn't really conducive to it. 28 would be ideal

See, this aligns with what the Rockland owners want. They don’t want any development on the 15. My guess is that they are trying to get ahead of this issue and by closing the ferry, they force Maryland to the table. Rockland folks know a bridge will eventually come, but they’d rather be on another route far away from their 600 acres

Tear down their slave farm and build it right to the 15. Serves them right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if Rockland was built with slave labor?

They rent out the former slaves’ quarters on VRBO

https://www.loc.gov/item/2017892134/
https://t.vrbo.io/wz6k82D1Bcb

The 2nd link doesn’t work.

Yes, it does.

Works for me, and pretty gross to post slave quarters as a country getaway spot. Oh walking distance to wineries! Yay.

https://www.vrbo.com/4656397ha?_branch_match_id=562624256501194873&adultsCount=1&oc=vzcBuFayNlCdRFCxdhRve&utm_campaign=earned%3Avrbo%3Ashare%3AXXX%3AUS%3Aios&utm_content=4656397ha&utm_medium=social&utm_source=direct

And to call them “tenant” quarters. Oh slaves were just tenants? Who knew?! 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rockland getting eviscerated on social. Hopefully they get the message and reverse course. Would be too bad if this was the generation that got greedy and lost the property.

I don't know if we can call them greedy at this point. Surely they want to be paid fairly, and have expenses of their own.

The original landowner - A.T.M. Rust - was compensated $17 for the condemned land in 1871 ($367 in 2019 dollars). This was before the plaintiff's heirs bought the land.

So the ownership claim remained, but the condemned land could be used for only the purposes of the Ferry.

This is really a documentation problem for White's Ferry. There is no authoritative map in the 1871 Condemnation order than pinpoints the condemned land. But the owner of the land at that time clearly knew where the condemned land was located and allowed the ferry depot & road to be built.

In short, the plaintiff's are taking advantage of a lack of conclusive documentation to kick the Ferry off the strip of land (despite the fact that the land cannot be used for anything but the Ferry!)

A quick search online of old maps of Loudoun County show where the original (Conrad’s) ferry crossing was located. It was a few yards upstream from where White’s Ferry is located today.

[Anonymous]

A few yards meaning 6ft? Or 600ft?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if Rockland was built with slave labor?

They rent out the former slaves’ quarters on VRBO

https://www.loc.gov/item/2017892134/
https://t.vrbo.io/wz6k82D1Bcb

The 2nd link doesn’t work.

Yes, it does.

Works for me, and pretty gross to post slave quarters as a country getaway spot. Oh walking distance to wineries! Yay.

https://www.vrbo.com/4656397ha?_branch_match_id=562624256501194873&adultsCount=1&oc=vzcBuFayNlCdRFCxdhRve&utm_campaign=earned%3Avrbo%3Ashare%3AXXX%3AUS%3Aios&utm_content=4656397ha&utm_medium=social&utm_source=direct

Thanks. That one works, yea gross.