MOCO Executive Order No. 087-20 - Effective Date 8/5/2020

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo council and health commission will be revisiting this week. One of 2 outcomes likely:

1- Soccer reclassified as medium risk
2- Other sports (ie lacrosse) reclassified as high risk

It will be interesting to see which social economic group prevails.........

Please please #1. Im just hoping for at least scrimmaging.

If they don't, then MoCo has decided to just entirely abandon kids. So that being said, I suspect it'll be #2.

Is that what they call hyperbole?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Montgomery County is the adult in the room and is making the correct decision for all these clubs, parents and kids. The solution to shut down all complaining is to add more sports like Lacrosse and Indoor Volleyball to the high risk list.

As disappointing as it is, I agree. Remember, we haven't had widespread group activities on the scale of DC-area youth sports since March. Children may be unlikely to have severe symptoms. But, seriously: all things being equal there's no good reason, let alone empirical evidence, to think that bringing thousands of kids together for multiple practices and games each week won't exacerbate the prevalence, among both children and adults. We, as a country, didn't discipline ourselves in May, June, and July in order to suppress the spread sufficiently. Throwing caution to the wind now, because we're bored and kids are stir-crazy, is just rolling the dice, at best, and head-in-the-sand, at worst. And, yes, I'm sensitive to the fact that some kids have special needs that soccer serves well. I feel for you. But we're talking about a gd pandemic. Australia, Canada, Germany, France, Japan, Spain, and even Italy reported fewer than 100 deaths over the last week. The US? More than 7,000. The answer is not to assail cautious local officials about our individual pet causes. The answer is to demand real leadership from our state and federal authorities and experts.

The war analogy is ridiculous coming out of Trump's mouth, given that he wields it only for self-aggrandizement. But it's not completely inapt. What we need is nation-wide coordination and a temporary, but sustained, re-ordering of priorities. And youth sports, are much as my kid and I miss them, and despite all the many, indisputable benefits, are low on that list.

I agree with this, too. And would agree that Lacrosse should be considered a high-risk sport. Will communicate this to the County Council.

Everyone has their right to communicate their voice. The evidence on any risk with outdoor sports is extremely low. How we I struggle with the county who just this week approved tattoo parlors, massage parlors etc that have higher level of risk. I think that’s the challenge. Even the council members said they were struggling with the fact they are approving those indoor businesses and saying outside risk.

[Anonymous]

Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo council and health commission will be revisiting this week. One of 2 outcomes likely:

1- Soccer reclassified as medium risk
2- Other sports (ie lacrosse) reclassified as high risk

It will be interesting to see which social economic group prevails.........

Please please #1. Im just hoping for at least scrimmaging.

If they don't, then MoCo has decided to just entirely abandon kids. So that being said, I suspect it'll be #2.

Is that what they call hyperbole?

No. Watch them abandon kids this week.

[Anonymous]

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Faced with low information, you have two choices: plunge in headlong, assuming it's safe until proven wrong (i.e., with more infections and deaths). Or make reasonable, conservative assumptions and the corresponding sacrifices -- painful though they might be -- to minimize the the risk, even if it turns out to be overkill. Isn't that obvious?

Fortunately many areas are planning to plunge in headlong. Kids have already had everything else taken away. They shouldn't have to be the ones to sacrifice over and over to keep the numbers at just a good enough level to enable adults to do whatever they want. I'm glad our league's games are starting up in September. Heck, scrimmages this month have been a blast. So glad I moved out of Olney three years ago to get away from this nonsense.

I believe they call this the "lemmings argument".

Is that what you believe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

This a very good point. The fact that it was allowed, then removed while allowing additional indoor activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

This a very good point. The fact that it was allowed, then removed while allowing additional indoor activities.

Though it should say county.. not country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

This a very good point. The fact that it was allowed, then removed while allowing additional indoor activities.

Very poor showing by MoCo. If they have the evidence, they should present it. Otherwise, it's just another gut punch to the kids.

[Anonymous]

Do we know what day they are deciding?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do we know what day they are deciding?

I want to say its usually on a Wednesday.. but don't quote me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

This a very good point. The fact that it was allowed, then removed while allowing additional indoor activities.

Though it should say county.. not country.

I'm cautious in my approach to COVID, but I have not seen any sports-specific research regarding youth sports, and frankly, I'm not convinced that outdoor soccer poses much of a risk. Counties surrounding Montgomery County, including Howard and Anne Arundel, returned to full play in June, with restrictions (health checks, social distancing on the sidelines, coaches wearing masks, no parents). Maryland teams played in soccer tournaments in New Jersey and Pennsylvania and I have yet to hear of any outbreaks associated with any of those events (or even of any cases).

Every public health official I have seen discussing youth sports (not including football), has said that the risk of contracting COVID caused by playing soccer outdoors is small. The risk comes from activities surrounding youth sports, including hanging out, travel, tailgating, etc. Even with a sport that seems higher risk, like football, the documented cases in which there have been outbreaks seem more related to indoor weight workouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

This a very good point. The fact that it was allowed, then removed while allowing additional indoor activities.

Though it should say county.. not country.

I'm cautious in my approach to COVID, but I have not seen any sports-specific research regarding youth sports, and frankly, I'm not convinced that outdoor soccer poses much of a risk. Counties surrounding Montgomery County, including Howard and Anne Arundel, returned to full play in June, with restrictions (health checks, social distancing on the sidelines, coaches wearing masks, no parents). Maryland teams played in soccer tournaments in New Jersey and Pennsylvania and I have yet to hear of any outbreaks associated with any of those events (or even of any cases).

Every public health official I have seen discussing youth sports (not including football), has said that the risk of contracting COVID caused by playing soccer outdoors is small. The risk comes from activities surrounding youth sports, including hanging out, travel, tailgating, etc. Even with a sport that seems higher risk, like football, the documented cases in which there have been outbreaks seem more related to indoor weight workouts.

You definitely have a lot in common with the White House, then. They are still not convinced about COVID-19 yet either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

This a very good point. The fact that it was allowed, then removed while allowing additional indoor activities.

Though it should say county.. not country.

I'm cautious in my approach to COVID, but I have not seen any sports-specific research regarding youth sports, and frankly, I'm not convinced that outdoor soccer poses much of a risk. Counties surrounding Montgomery County, including Howard and Anne Arundel, returned to full play in June, with restrictions (health checks, social distancing on the sidelines, coaches wearing masks, no parents). Maryland teams played in soccer tournaments in New Jersey and Pennsylvania and I have yet to hear of any outbreaks associated with any of those events (or even of any cases).

Every public health official I have seen discussing youth sports (not including football), has said that the risk of contracting COVID caused by playing soccer outdoors is small. The risk comes from activities surrounding youth sports, including hanging out, travel, tailgating, etc. Even with a sport that seems higher risk, like football, the documented cases in which there have been outbreaks seem more related to indoor weight workouts.

You definitely have a lot in common with the White House, then. They are still not convinced about COVID-19 yet either.

What youth sports/soccer-related research underlies your comment...or is this just a hit and run?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

This a very good point. The fact that it was allowed, then removed while allowing additional indoor activities.

Though it should say county.. not country.

I'm cautious in my approach to COVID, but I have not seen any sports-specific research regarding youth sports, and frankly, I'm not convinced that outdoor soccer poses much of a risk. Counties surrounding Montgomery County, including Howard and Anne Arundel, returned to full play in June, with restrictions (health checks, social distancing on the sidelines, coaches wearing masks, no parents). Maryland teams played in soccer tournaments in New Jersey and Pennsylvania and I have yet to hear of any outbreaks associated with any of those events (or even of any cases).

Every public health official I have seen discussing youth sports (not including football), has said that the risk of contracting COVID caused by playing soccer outdoors is small. The risk comes from activities surrounding youth sports, including hanging out, travel, tailgating, etc. Even with a sport that seems higher risk, like football, the documented cases in which there have been outbreaks seem more related to indoor weight workouts.

You definitely have a lot in common with the White House, then. They are still not convinced about COVID-19 yet either.

What youth sports/soccer-related research underlies your comment...or is this just a hit and run?

Exactly like the White House......coming up with your own spin on every research, data and healthcare recommendations.

This is the reason why the US is leading the world with COVID-19 infections and deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should clarify a misstatement by a pp


This isn’t a new thing. Kids started doing sports in June when phase 2 opened in the county either through clubs or camps and there has been no outbreak reported. This past week, the country applied a new restriction on an activity (soccer) previously allowed. There are not other incidences of this that I am aware of with regards to other businesses etc

This a very good point. The fact that it was allowed, then removed while allowing additional indoor activities.

Though it should say county.. not country.

I'm cautious in my approach to COVID, but I have not seen any sports-specific research regarding youth sports, and frankly, I'm not convinced that outdoor soccer poses much of a risk. Counties surrounding Montgomery County, including Howard and Anne Arundel, returned to full play in June, with restrictions (health checks, social distancing on the sidelines, coaches wearing masks, no parents). Maryland teams played in soccer tournaments in New Jersey and Pennsylvania and I have yet to hear of any outbreaks associated with any of those events (or even of any cases).

Every public health official I have seen discussing youth sports (not including football), has said that the risk of contracting COVID caused by playing soccer outdoors is small. The risk comes from activities surrounding youth sports, including hanging out, travel, tailgating, etc. Even with a sport that seems higher risk, like football, the documented cases in which there have been outbreaks seem more related to indoor weight workouts.

You definitely have a lot in common with the White House, then. They are still not convinced about COVID-19 yet either.

I know you are trolling, but to be clear, I have nothing in common with the White House. I'm happy to look at the research showing that organized outdoors soccer games have caused any COVID outbreaks (or even transmission). I don't think that there should be extensive travel, and to err on the side of caution, I would probably do away with tournaments too. But two teams with 16 player rosters playing outside with parents and coaches wearing masks and socially distancing? Point me to the research showing that is high risk? One of my kids played in a tournament and to be absolutely safe, he was tested 14 10 days later (negative). No one on his team has tested positive.