How does Virginia Tech have such a high admissions rate?

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Anonymous wrote:Still need residency info for VT. Anyone have it?

If the OOS pool is strong like at UVA, it would be interesting to know each group’s profile.

It's on the SCHEV website. OOS pool is much different at VT than UVA. VT is EASIER to get in OOS than in state. Higher OOS acceptance rate and lower OOS SAT scores. UVA is the exact opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:Admission rate isn't the best indicator of selectivity. You can have a low admission rate, but if the applicants are generally not very qualified, it can be misleading.

Virginia Tech's engineering school appears to get fairly high quality applicants, but it doesn't get as many as one might expect.

Huh? How do you know they have “high quality applicants?” What is your definition of that and where is the evidence that supports that?

The data in the graphs. The mean GPA of enrolled at engineering school is about 4.15 and the mean SAT is about 1370. Both significantly higher than the university overall, although acceptance rate isn't any lower. There isn't really a universal definition for applicant quality. It is just my opinion. For an Ivy applicant, these would certainly not be considered high quality.

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Anonymous wrote:Still need residency info for VT. Anyone have it?

If the OOS pool is strong like at UVA, it would be interesting to know each group’s profile.

It's on the SCHEV website. OOS pool is much different at VT than UVA. VT is EASIER to get in OOS than in state. Higher OOS acceptance rate and lower OOS SAT scores. UVA is the exact opposite.

UVA and W&M tend to have higher stats (standardized tests) from OOS. I believe all the other public schools tend to have lower from OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:Still need residency info for VT. Anyone have it?

If the OOS pool is strong like at UVA, it would be interesting to know each group’s profile.

It's on the SCHEV website. OOS pool is much different at VT than UVA. VT is EASIER to get in OOS than in state. Higher OOS acceptance rate and lower OOS SAT scores. UVA is the exact opposite.

UVA and W&M tend to have higher stats (standardized tests) from OOS. I believe all the other public schools tend to have lower from OOS.

Hahaha no.

Full pay to both those schools does not require higher out of state students stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Which brings up yet another VT issue. Why do they think a 17 year old should be picking a major? How can anyone be sure when their classes have been English, Math, History, Science, and a few electives?

They do have an undecided options -- University Studies as well as undecided or "explore" options within each college. I think the "explore" option is good even if you do have some idea of what you want to study, there is so much a 17 yr old does not know about what could be an option. My DS plans to apply VT and is interested in math/statistics but I think starting in Exploring Technology or Explore Science might be good for him to be exposed to a variety of options in the first year.

https://vt.edu/tags.html/vt_edu:academics/keywords/undecided

I went to a college that also had most students apply to a major and we started major classes in freshman year. I think it tended to make for a very focused student population. You didn't really have anyone there who didn't know what they wanted to do after college. But it definitely wasn't right for everyone.

Rumor around DC's school was that the kids who applied undecided did not get accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:From https://irweb.ir.vt.edu/webtest/admission_data.aspx
You can run these reports for each school, but here are the two for VT overall and VT engineering.


VT Overall


Engineering Only

How do you get this info for other colleges?

Why on earth did they give out so many offers? Of course they have an overpopulation problem now.

Because if you look at the year before they were under-enrolled and a lower than expected yield and so they overshot the next year and had a higher yield. For whatever reason, VT struggles more with managing enrollment--both under and over-- than the other VA publics.

If you've visited there, you know exactly what the reason is.

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Anonymous wrote:Still need residency info for VT. Anyone have it?

If the OOS pool is strong like at UVA, it would be interesting to know each group’s profile.

It's on the SCHEV website. OOS pool is much different at VT than UVA. VT is EASIER to get in OOS than in state. Higher OOS acceptance rate and lower OOS SAT scores. UVA is the exact opposite.

UVA and W&M tend to have higher stats (standardized tests) from OOS. I believe all the other public schools tend to have lower from OOS.

Hahaha no.

Full pay to both those schools does not require higher out of state students stats.

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for-uva.html

Total Applications
Total applications: 40,869 (37,182 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 12,010
Total number of OOS apps: 28,859
We use completed applications in our statistics.

Total Offers of Admission
Overall offers: 9,787
Total VA offers: 4,331 (36% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,456 (19% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.

Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1340-1500 (VA) 1430-1540 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 32-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
These are the results of our review. These were not targets. We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.

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Anonymous wrote:Correction. I meant to say "enrolled" not "applied."

30% yield is fairly normal.

Maybe alot of kids are using VT as a safety school? I dont what else would explain only 30% actually following through and registering Freshman year.

This. It is well known that VT is a common safety school.

If VT is a safety school what do you consider VCU, ODU, GMU, CNU, MWU, Radford, Longwood... Yes it’s a safety school for UVA, but not for the majority of schools in VA

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From https://irweb.ir.vt.edu/webtest/admission_data.aspx
You can run these reports for each school, but here are the two for VT overall and VT engineering.


VT Overall


Engineering Only

How do you get this info for other colleges?

Why on earth did they give out so many offers? Of course they have an overpopulation problem now.

Because if you look at the year before they were under-enrolled and a lower than expected yield and so they overshot the next year and had a higher yield. For whatever reason, VT struggles more with managing enrollment--both under and over-- than the other VA publics.

If you've visited there, you know exactly what the reason is.

Can you explain for those who have not visited yet?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Correction. I meant to say "enrolled" not "applied."

30% yield is fairly normal.

Maybe alot of kids are using VT as a safety school? I dont what else would explain only 30% actually following through and registering Freshman year.

This. It is well known that VT is a common safety school.

If VT is a safety school what do you consider VCU, ODU, GMU, CNU, MWU, Radford, Longwood... Yes it’s a safety school for UVA, but not for the majority of schools in VA

This is a good point. Outside of an elite bubble, VT is considered to be a highly desirable option.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Correction. I meant to say "enrolled" not "applied."

30% yield is fairly normal.

Maybe alot of kids are using VT as a safety school? I dont what else would explain only 30% actually following through and registering Freshman year.

This. It is well known that VT is a common safety school.

If VT is a safety school what do you consider VCU, ODU, GMU, CNU, MWU, Radford, Longwood... Yes it’s a safety school for UVA, but not for the majority of schools in VA

This is a good point. Outside of an elite bubble, VT is considered to be a highly desirable option.

One person's ceiling is another's floor. That pretty much applies until you get to Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:Admission rate isn't the best indicator of selectivity. You can have a low admission rate, but if the applicants are generally not very qualified, it can be misleading.

Virginia Tech's engineering school appears to get fairly high quality applicants, but it doesn't get as many as one might expect.

Huh? How do you know they have “high quality applicants?” What is your definition of that and where is the evidence that supports that?

The data in the graphs. The mean GPA of enrolled at engineering school is about 4.15 and the mean SAT is about 1370. Both significantly higher than the university overall, although acceptance rate isn't any lower. There isn't really a universal definition for applicant quality. It is just my opinion. For an Ivy applicant, these would certainly not be considered high quality.

NP. This sounds exactly right. When we interviewed for the engineering school four years ago we were told not to apply without a min. 4.0 GPA (weighted obviously) and that's what the stats at the time indicated. Also we were not to apply ED (that's what it was then) without having finished calculus with an A. DC ended up going to UVA instead but got into the tech schools she wanted for aerospace engineering such at Ga Tech and Purdue. I don't think OP realizes that Virginia high school students self-select into Va Tech engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admission rate isn't the best indicator of selectivity. You can have a low admission rate, but if the applicants are generally not very qualified, it can be misleading.

Virginia Tech's engineering school appears to get fairly high quality applicants, but it doesn't get as many as one might expect.

Huh? How do you know they have “high quality applicants?” What is your definition of that and where is the evidence that supports that?

The data in the graphs. The mean GPA of enrolled at engineering school is about 4.15 and the mean SAT is about 1370. Both significantly higher than the university overall, although acceptance rate isn't any lower. There isn't really a universal definition for applicant quality. It is just my opinion. For an Ivy applicant, these would certainly not be considered high quality.

NP. This sounds exactly right. When we interviewed for the engineering school four years ago we were told not to apply without a min. 4.0 GPA (weighted obviously) and that's what the stats at the time indicated. Also we were not to apply ED (that's what it was then) without having finished calculus with an A. DC ended up going to UVA instead but got into the tech schools she wanted for aerospace engineering such at Ga Tech and Purdue. I don't think OP realizes that Virginia high school students self-select into Va Tech engineering.

Four years is light years in college admission. I doubt anyone is getting into UVA engineering with a B in Calc these days unless they have a special talent/hook. It's just too competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admission rate isn't the best indicator of selectivity. You can have a low admission rate, but if the applicants are generally not very qualified, it can be misleading.

Virginia Tech's engineering school appears to get fairly high quality applicants, but it doesn't get as many as one might expect.

Huh? How do you know they have “high quality applicants?” What is your definition of that and where is the evidence that supports that?

The data in the graphs. The mean GPA of enrolled at engineering school is about 4.15 and the mean SAT is about 1370. Both significantly higher than the university overall, although acceptance rate isn't any lower. There isn't really a universal definition for applicant quality. It is just my opinion. For an Ivy applicant, these would certainly not be considered high quality.

NP. This sounds exactly right. When we interviewed for the engineering school four years ago we were told not to apply without a min. 4.0 GPA (weighted obviously) and that's what the stats at the time indicated. Also we were not to apply ED (that's what it was then) without having finished calculus with an A. DC ended up going to UVA instead but got into the tech schools she wanted for aerospace engineering such at Ga Tech and Purdue. I don't think OP realizes that Virginia high school students self-select into Va Tech engineering.

Four years is light years in college admission. I doubt anyone is getting into UVA engineering with a B in Calc these days unless they have a special talent/hook. It's just too competitive.

I don't know what you are talking about. VT said not to apply ED until calculus BC was finished, preferably with an A. DC had an A in calculus, and 36 ACTs and was accepted at better aerospace programs than VT. Because VT had ED at the time, DC applied SCEA to an ivy, Purdue, Ga Tech. In the end went to UVA which was a Godsend because she decided she didn't want to be an engineer after all. All I'm saying is that the PPs stats above seem to be in concert with what we were told four years ago at VT. It's difficult to get in the engineering program. A 4.15 sounds about right, allowing for 4 years intervention.

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The only thing I know about Virginia Tech is one of my students got her PhD there and she's functionally illiterate. She did a joint program between human development and architecture and cheated her way through. Apparently her dissertation was jobbed out and her defense was a joke. And it's well known in our field that VT is where you go if you want a quid pro quo degree.