Overcrowding at Wilson

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First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.)

So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred.

Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead.

Translation: Show me data that refutes my preconceived notions. Wait, you actually have data? Well, f that. I'm gonna ignore the data because [word salad].

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+1. What would be the bet benefit of commingling 4 HIGH poverty schools?

It would mean slightly higher scores for Roosevelt and Coolidge, if for arguments sake let’s say all the rich white kids attended. Slightly lower scores for Wilson. The lower income kids would improve slightly and the high income kids would improve slightly while also learning that not everyone is rich and white. The rich kids would develop better social skills. Overall attendance would improve. There would be some kids graduating to matriculate at Ivies. And life goes on. A bunch of hand wringing over fear of other. That’s what I predict would happen.

Why would the scores of the high SES improve?
Why would attendance improve?

The scores of high SES would not improve. That’s the flaw of these studies of mixed schools. The high SES kids parents supplement if they are not challenged. It’s a variable you can’t control. They might do the same academically.

But they sure as hell would do much better if they were in a class of all high achieving kids and challenged. That’s what these studies don’t show. There is no control of this group. If there was, you would see that the kids would actually do better that are tracked than the kids in the mixed schools. Just look at the magnet schools that group these kids together.

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Magnet schools exclude high SES kids who don’t achieve objective scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Magnet schools exclude high SES kids who don’t achieve objective scores.

The point was that group above average and advanced kids together and they are challenged more and do better than in a mixed class of all levels.

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First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.)

So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred.

Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead.

Translation: Show me data that refutes my preconceived notions. Wait, you actually have data? Well, f that. I'm gonna ignore the data because [word salad].

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+1. What would be the bet benefit of commingling 4 HIGH poverty schools?

Look, the most vocal advocates for merging the populations of Wilson and EOTP high schools are people living EOTP that want access to Wilson without moving.

The point is that if it is good for students to be in more racially and economically diverse schools, then why aren’t the EOTP schools wanting to merge with EOTR schools? Wouldn’t that have benefits for the students at Ballou and Anacostia? But, funny, people seem to only want the integration to go in one direction...

I live EoTP and would send my kids to West, Roosevelt, or Coolidge. I probably would have to visit Ballou. I have a coworker who went to Ballou. Based on her stories, they rarely had a full day of school on year because kids kept pulling the fire alarms. If there is still that level of disruption than it isn’t worth my time to take my kid there for school. I think there are behavioral problems that administrators can’t or don’t want to fix. There are behavioral nightmares I don’t want my kid to put up with there. Granted, Ballou May have improved since my coworker went there. I don’t know any current parents or students there.

If you are saying you are ok sending your kids to Coolidge or Roosevelt, I bet your kids are not close to HS age yet. Wait until they are before you make declarations like that. Do you think DCPS Leadership would ever send their kids to Dunbar, Cardozo, Roosevelt, Eastern or Coolidge. No way in hell would they consider any of these schools for their own kids. And sadly, Ballou has not improved since your coworker went there. Go visit any of these schools and ask to sit in a couple of classes. It will be a real eye opener.

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The schools mentioned are improving steadily, but they're still low-performing, deeply so.

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First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.)

So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred.

Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead.

Translation: Show me data that refutes my preconceived notions. Wait, you actually have data? Well, f that. I'm gonna ignore the data because [word salad].

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+1. What would be the bet benefit of commingling 4 HIGH poverty schools?

Look, the most vocal advocates for merging the populations of Wilson and EOTP high schools are people living EOTP that want access to Wilson without moving.

The point is that if it is good for students to be in more racially and economically diverse schools, then why aren’t the EOTP schools wanting to merge with EOTR schools? Wouldn’t that have benefits for the students at Ballou and Anacostia? But, funny, people seem to only want the integration to go in one direction...

I live EoTP and would send my kids to West, Roosevelt, or Coolidge. I probably would have to visit Ballou. I have a coworker who went to Ballou. Based on her stories, they rarely had a full day of school on year because kids kept pulling the fire alarms. If there is still that level of disruption than it isn’t worth my time to take my kid there for school. I think there are behavioral problems that administrators can’t or don’t want to fix. There are behavioral nightmares I don’t want my kid to put up with there. Granted, Ballou May have improved since my coworker went there. I don’t know any current parents or students there.

If you are saying you are ok sending your kids to Coolidge or Roosevelt, I bet your kids are not close to HS age yet. Wait until they are before you make declarations like that. Do you think DCPS Leadership would ever send their kids to Dunbar, Cardozo, Roosevelt, Eastern or Coolidge. No way in hell would they consider any of these schools for their own kids. And sadly, Ballou has not improved since your coworker went there. Go visit any of these schools and ask to sit in a couple of classes. It will be a real eye opener.

I have a 5th and 8th grader, does that count? DCPS leadership is black/AA, they have different challenges than we do. I have been around some of the higher achieving kids from Roosevelt and Coolidge, have you?! They are great kids. DCUM excels at creating caricatures of low income kids (that you haven’t met nor may ever meet). For an educated crowd, you’re pretty stupid.

[Anonymous]

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First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.)

So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred.

Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead.

Translation: Show me data that refutes my preconceived notions. Wait, you actually have data? Well, f that. I'm gonna ignore the data because [word salad].

.

+1. What would be the bet benefit of commingling 4 HIGH poverty schools?

Look, the most vocal advocates for merging the populations of Wilson and EOTP high schools are people living EOTP that want access to Wilson without moving.

The point is that if it is good for students to be in more racially and economically diverse schools, then why aren’t the EOTP schools wanting to merge with EOTR schools? Wouldn’t that have benefits for the students at Ballou and Anacostia? But, funny, people seem to only want the integration to go in one direction...

I live EoTP and would send my kids to West, Roosevelt, or Coolidge. I probably would have to visit Ballou. I have a coworker who went to Ballou. Based on her stories, they rarely had a full day of school on year because kids kept pulling the fire alarms. If there is still that level of disruption than it isn’t worth my time to take my kid there for school. I think there are behavioral problems that administrators can’t or don’t want to fix. There are behavioral nightmares I don’t want my kid to put up with there. Granted, Ballou May have improved since my coworker went there. I don’t know any current parents or students there.

If you are saying you are ok sending your kids to Coolidge or Roosevelt, I bet your kids are not close to HS age yet. Wait until they are before you make declarations like that. Do you think DCPS Leadership would ever send their kids to Dunbar, Cardozo, Roosevelt, Eastern or Coolidge. No way in hell would they consider any of these schools for their own kids. And sadly, Ballou has not improved since your coworker went there. Go visit any of these schools and ask to sit in a couple of classes. It will be a real eye opener.

I have a 5th and 8th grader, does that count? DCPS leadership is black/AA, they have different challenges than we do. I have been around some of the higher achieving kids from Roosevelt and Coolidge, have you?! They are great kids. DCUM excels at creating caricatures of low income kids (that you haven’t met nor may ever meet). For an educated crowd, you’re pretty stupid.

Amen.

-6th grade and 7th grade

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.)

So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred.

Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead.

Translation: Show me data that refutes my preconceived notions. Wait, you actually have data? Well, f that. I'm gonna ignore the data because [word salad].

.

+1. What would be the bet benefit of commingling 4 HIGH poverty schools?

It would mean slightly higher scores for Roosevelt and Coolidge, if for arguments sake let’s say all the rich white kids attended. Slightly lower scores for Wilson. The lower income kids would improve slightly and the high income kids would improve slightly while also learning that not everyone is rich and white. The rich kids would develop better social skills. Overall attendance would improve. There would be some kids graduating to matriculate at Ivies. And life goes on. A bunch of hand wringing over fear of other. That’s what I predict would happen.

I don't trust you because you appear to be a complete and total moron.

The “rich and white kids” at Wilson already know the world is not rich and white. The people you are so eager to enlighten live in MD or VA or go to private school. I’m not saying Coolidge wouldn’t work if it were suddenly to have a large chunk moved from Wilson. But don’t pretend that it would be some great educational opportunity for the transferred kids.

The kids of AU Park and CCDC would benefit dramatically by getting out of their privilege bubble, trust me. If you have spent anytime with that demographic, it’s pretty clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.)

So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred.

Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead.

Translation: Show me data that refutes my preconceived notions. Wait, you actually have data? Well, f that. I'm gonna ignore the data because [word salad].

.

+1. What would be the bet benefit of commingling 4 HIGH poverty schools?

It would mean slightly higher scores for Roosevelt and Coolidge, if for arguments sake let’s say all the rich white kids attended. Slightly lower scores for Wilson. The lower income kids would improve slightly and the high income kids would improve slightly while also learning that not everyone is rich and white. The rich kids would develop better social skills. Overall attendance would improve. There would be some kids graduating to matriculate at Ivies. And life goes on. A bunch of hand wringing over fear of other. That’s what I predict would happen.

The “rich and white kids” at Wilson already know the world is not rich and white. The people you are so eager to enlighten live in MD or VA or go to private school. I’m not saying Coolidge wouldn’t work if it were suddenly to have a large chunk moved from Wilson. But don’t pretend that it would be some great educational opportunity for the transferred kids.

The kids of AU Park and CCDC would benefit dramatically by getting out of their privilege bubble, trust me. If you have spent anytime with that demographic, it’s pretty clear.

I don't trust you - because you are a complete and total moron.

[Anonymous]

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I have a 5th and 8th grader, does that count? DCPS leadership is black/AA, they have different challenges than we do. I have been around some of the higher achieving kids from Roosevelt and Coolidge, have you?! They are great kids. DCUM excels at creating caricatures of low income kids (that you haven’t met nor may ever meet). For an educated crowd, you’re pretty stupid.

The question was "have you spent time AT BALLOU"? Of course there are great kids there. And if you ask them, many/most would much rather go to a safer, less disruptive school. I've been to Ballou several times when my kid's team played them, and I found the parents and kids at the games very nice. However, my kid also has a friend who had some issues at school and had to return to his inboundary school, which is Ballou. The texts my kid got from that kid were heartbreaking -- being terrified of being in school because of bullying, doing nothing in classes, constant disruption, etc. All of the parents asserting that "your kids would be fine there" are either extremely naive or lying

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Anonymous wrote:
First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.)

So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred.

Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead.

Translation: Show me data that refutes my preconceived notions. Wait, you actually have data? Well, f that. I'm gonna ignore the data because [word salad].

.

+1. What would be the bet benefit of commingling 4 HIGH poverty schools?

Look, the most vocal advocates for merging the populations of Wilson and EOTP high schools are people living EOTP that want access to Wilson without moving.

The point is that if it is good for students to be in more racially and economically diverse schools, then why aren’t the EOTP schools wanting to merge with EOTR schools? Wouldn’t that have benefits for the students at Ballou and Anacostia? But, funny, people seem to only want the integration to go in one direction...

I live EoTP and would send my kids to West, Roosevelt, or Coolidge. I probably would have to visit Ballou. I have a coworker who went to Ballou. Based on her stories, they rarely had a full day of school on year because kids kept pulling the fire alarms. If there is still that level of disruption than it isn’t worth my time to take my kid there for school. I think there are behavioral problems that administrators can’t or don’t want to fix. There are behavioral nightmares I don’t want my kid to put up with there. Granted, Ballou May have improved since my coworker went there. I don’t know any current parents or students there.

If you are saying you are ok sending your kids to Coolidge or Roosevelt, I bet your kids are not close to HS age yet. Wait until they are before you make declarations like that. Do you think DCPS Leadership would ever send their kids to Dunbar, Cardozo, Roosevelt, Eastern or Coolidge. No way in hell would they consider any of these schools for their own kids. And sadly, Ballou has not improved since your coworker went there. Go visit any of these schools and ask to sit in a couple of classes. It will be a real eye opener.

I have a 5th and 8th grader, does that count? DCPS leadership is black/AA, they have different challenges than we do. I have been around some of the higher achieving kids from Roosevelt and Coolidge, have you?! They are great kids. DCUM excels at creating caricatures of low income kids (that you haven’t met nor may ever meet). For an educated crowd, you’re pretty stupid.

Resorting to name calling. How juvenile! Come back next year when you have actually enrolled your student at one of these schools. I was recently speaking with a Coolidge HS graduate who completed precalculus at Coolidge which is the highest level of math they offer. He said he placed into remedial math at college and he couldn’t get over how far behind other kids he was even though he got straight As at Math in Coolidge. Of course there are nice and smart kids at every DCPS school. It is tragic how DCPS is shortchanging them.

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Anonymous wrote: If you are saying you are ok sending your kids to Coolidge or Roosevelt, I bet your kids are not close to HS age yet. Wait until they are before you make declarations like that. Do you think DCPS Leadership would ever send their kids to Dunbar, Cardozo, Roosevelt, Eastern or Coolidge. No way in hell would they consider any of these schools for their own kids. And sadly, Ballou has not improved since your coworker went there. Go visit any of these schools and ask to sit in a couple of classes. It will be a real eye opener.

I have a 5th and 8th grader, does that count? DCPS leadership is black/AA, they have different challenges than we do. I have been around some of the higher achieving kids from Roosevelt and Coolidge, have you?! They are great kids. DCUM excels at creating caricatures of low income kids (that you haven’t met nor may ever meet). For an educated crowd, you’re pretty stupid.

Resorting to name calling. How juvenile! Come back next year when you have actually enrolled your student at one of these schools. I was recently speaking with a Coolidge HS graduate who completed precalculus at Coolidge which is the highest level of math they offer. He said he placed into remedial math at college and he couldn’t get over how far behind other kids he was even though he got straight As at Math in Coolidge. Of course there are nice and smart kids at every DCPS school. It is tragic how DCPS is shortchanging them.


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Anonymous wrote:
First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.)

So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred.

Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead.

Translation: Show me data that refutes my preconceived notions. Wait, you actually have data? Well, f that. I'm gonna ignore the data because [word salad].

.

+1. What would be the bet benefit of commingling 4 HIGH poverty schools?

Look, the most vocal advocates for merging the populations of Wilson and EOTP high schools are people living EOTP that want access to Wilson without moving.

The point is that if it is good for students to be in more racially and economically diverse schools, then why aren’t the EOTP schools wanting to merge with EOTR schools? Wouldn’t that have benefits for the students at Ballou and Anacostia? But, funny, people seem to only want the integration to go in one direction...

I live EoTP and would send my kids to West, Roosevelt, or Coolidge. I probably would have to visit Ballou. I have a coworker who went to Ballou. Based on her stories, they rarely had a full day of school on year because kids kept pulling the fire alarms. If there is still that level of disruption than it isn’t worth my time to take my kid there for school. I think there are behavioral problems that administrators can’t or don’t want to fix. There are behavioral nightmares I don’t want my kid to put up with there. Granted, Ballou May have improved since my coworker went there. I don’t know any current parents or students there.

If you are saying you are ok sending your kids to Coolidge or Roosevelt, I bet your kids are not close to HS age yet. Wait until they are before you make declarations like that. Do you think DCPS Leadership would ever send their kids to Dunbar, Cardozo, Roosevelt, Eastern or Coolidge. No way in hell would they consider any of these schools for their own kids. And sadly, Ballou has not improved since your coworker went there. Go visit any of these schools and ask to sit in a couple of classes. It will be a real eye opener.

I have a 5th and 8th grader, does that count? DCPS leadership is black/AA, they have different challenges than we do. I have been around some of the higher achieving kids from Roosevelt and Coolidge, have you?! They are great kids. DCUM excels at creating caricatures of low income kids (that you haven’t met nor may ever meet). For an educated crowd, you’re pretty stupid.

Resorting to name calling. How juvenile! Come back next year when you have actually enrolled your student at one of these schools. I was recently speaking with a Coolidge HS graduate who completed precalculus at Coolidge which is the highest level of math they offer. He said he placed into remedial math at college and he couldn’t get over how far behind other kids he was even though he got straight As at Math in Coolidge. Of course there are nice and smart kids at every DCPS school. It is tragic how DCPS is shortchanging them.

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I have observed classes in most DCPS high schools. Even the upper level classes with the 'good' students are so far behind in the curriculum compared to high performing high schools. It's sad because not until they enter college will they realize how unprepared they are. But those classrooms are at least safe places to learn. There are some real behavior issues coupled with chronic absences that make learning and teaching extremely difficult in some of these high schools. I would. It send my child there.

[Anonymous]

*I would not send my child there.

[Anonymous]

Wilson is pretty ghetto too, you all are fighting over scraps