Hardy MS

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Anonymous wrote:I'm bummed that Hardy's momentum is slowing in the wake of Honors for All. Pretty clearly, enthusiasm for Hardy has taken a hit, maybe not a big hit, but a hit. I no longer hear OOB families desperate for a decent public middle school waxing enthusiastic about Hardy like they did a couple years back. We have in-boundary friends with very bright kids who have surprised us by giving up and moving to the burbs this summer. They don't like the publicity Principal Martin gets. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but of concern nonetheless.

You mean slowing on this thread? Not much space left for OOB, what's there to be enthusiastic about. We are not moving even if DC has to go to Wilson.

The comment above doesn't seem to have much situational awareness - the Hardy dynamic was completely changed with the redirect of Eaton to Hardy. Starting with the class that is now going into 7th, about 1/2 of each class cohort is going to be Hardy going forward. That combined with the increased enrollment from Stoddert and Mann - less from Key, and then Hyde is still in a period of adjustment from their renovation. And there is the impact of Basis, DCI, and the feeder pattern on the Hill (for instance, there used to be a bus from the Hill that would bring a set kids to Hardy)... so there are other options and forces at play. And the total class size was increased.

The parents I know who are talking about Wilson in those ways were likely on a private school or move to the burbs track regardless & this is just the latest talking point....

meant 1/2 of each class at Hardy is Eaton students...

But in 4 or 5 years, Eaton will have a minimal number of OOB students, just like the rest of Ward-3.

But half of the Eaton class is from out of bounds, not the high SES Eaton district itself.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm bummed that Hardy's momentum is slowing in the wake of Honors for All. Pretty clearly, enthusiasm for Hardy has taken a hit, maybe not a big hit, but a hit. I no longer hear OOB families desperate for a decent public middle school waxing enthusiastic about Hardy like they did a couple years back. We have in-boundary friends with very bright kids who have surprised us by giving up and moving to the burbs this summer. They don't like the publicity Principal Martin gets. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but of concern nonetheless.

You mean slowing on this thread? Not much space left for OOB, what's there to be enthusiastic about. We are not moving even if DC has to go to Wilson.

The comment above doesn't seem to have much situational awareness - the Hardy dynamic was completely changed with the redirect of Eaton to Hardy. Starting with the class that is now going into 7th, about 1/2 of each class cohort is going to be Hardy going forward. That combined with the increased enrollment from Stoddert and Mann - less from Key, and then Hyde is still in a period of adjustment from their renovation. And there is the impact of Basis, DCI, and the feeder pattern on the Hill (for instance, there used to be a bus from the Hill that would bring a set kids to Hardy)... so there are other options and forces at play. And the total class size was increased.

The parents I know who are talking about Wilson in those ways were likely on a private school or move to the burbs track regardless & this is just the latest talking point....

meant 1/2 of each class at Hardy is Eaton students...

But half of the Eaton class is from out of bounds, not the high SES Eaton district itself.

But in 4 or 5 years, Eaton will have a minimal number of OOB students, just like the rest of Ward-3.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm bummed that Hardy's momentum is slowing in the wake of Honors for All. Pretty clearly, enthusiasm for Hardy has taken a hit, maybe not a big hit, but a hit. I no longer hear OOB families desperate for a decent public middle school waxing enthusiastic about Hardy like they did a couple years back. We have in-boundary friends with very bright kids who have surprised us by giving up and moving to the burbs this summer. They don't like the publicity Principal Martin gets. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but of concern nonetheless.

You mean slowing on this thread? Not much space left for OOB, what's there to be enthusiastic about. We are not moving even if DC has to go to Wilson.

The comment above doesn't seem to have much situational awareness - the Hardy dynamic was completely changed with the redirect of Eaton to Hardy. Starting with the class that is now going into 7th, about 1/2 of each class cohort is going to be Hardy going forward. That combined with the increased enrollment from Stoddert and Mann - less from Key, and then Hyde is still in a period of adjustment from their renovation. And there is the impact of Basis, DCI, and the feeder pattern on the Hill (for instance, there used to be a bus from the Hill that would bring a set kids to Hardy)... so there are other options and forces at play. And the total class size was increased.

The parents I know who are talking about Wilson in those ways were likely on a private school or move to the burbs track regardless & this is just the latest talking point....

meant 1/2 of each class at Hardy is Eaton students...

But half of the Eaton class is from out of bounds, not the high SES Eaton district itself.

But in 4 or 5 years, Eaton will have a minimal number of OOB students, just like the rest of Ward-3.

You can see from the current K and 1st classes -- it will still be 25-30% OOB. And with the renovation, more IB families will peel out, like with Hyde.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm bummed that Hardy's momentum is slowing in the wake of Honors for All. Pretty clearly, enthusiasm for Hardy has taken a hit, maybe not a big hit, but a hit. I no longer hear OOB families desperate for a decent public middle school waxing enthusiastic about Hardy like they did a couple years back. We have in-boundary friends with very bright kids who have surprised us by giving up and moving to the burbs this summer. They don't like the publicity Principal Martin gets. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but of concern nonetheless.

You mean slowing on this thread? Not much space left for OOB, what's there to be enthusiastic about. We are not moving even if DC has to go to Wilson.

The comment above doesn't seem to have much situational awareness - the Hardy dynamic was completely changed with the redirect of Eaton to Hardy. Starting with the class that is now going into 7th, about 1/2 of each class cohort is going to be Hardy going forward. That combined with the increased enrollment from Stoddert and Mann - less from Key, and then Hyde is still in a period of adjustment from their renovation. And there is the impact of Basis, DCI, and the feeder pattern on the Hill (for instance, there used to be a bus from the Hill that would bring a set kids to Hardy)... so there are other options and forces at play. And the total class size was increased.

The parents I know who are talking about Wilson in those ways were likely on a private school or move to the burbs track regardless & this is just the latest talking point....

meant 1/2 of each class at Hardy is Eaton students...

But half of the Eaton class is from out of bounds, not the high SES Eaton district itself.

But in 4 or 5 years, Eaton will have a minimal number of OOB students, just like the rest of Ward-3.

You can see from the current K and 1st classes -- it will still be 25-30% OOB. And with the renovation, more IB families will peel out, like with Hyde.

Not sure how bad the renovation is going to be (compared to Hyde) - they are taking over the old Murch space at UDC - much closer than ETOP.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm bummed that Hardy's momentum is slowing in the wake of Honors for All. Pretty clearly, enthusiasm for Hardy has taken a hit, maybe not a big hit, but a hit. I no longer hear OOB families desperate for a decent public middle school waxing enthusiastic about Hardy like they did a couple years back. We have in-boundary friends with very bright kids who have surprised us by giving up and moving to the burbs this summer. They don't like the publicity Principal Martin gets. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but of concern nonetheless.

You mean slowing on this thread? Not much space left for OOB, what's there to be enthusiastic about. We are not moving even if DC has to go to Wilson.

The comment above doesn't seem to have much situational awareness - the Hardy dynamic was completely changed with the redirect of Eaton to Hardy. Starting with the class that is now going into 7th, about 1/2 of each class cohort is going to be Hardy going forward. That combined with the increased enrollment from Stoddert and Mann - less from Key, and then Hyde is still in a period of adjustment from their renovation. And there is the impact of Basis, DCI, and the feeder pattern on the Hill (for instance, there used to be a bus from the Hill that would bring a set kids to Hardy)... so there are other options and forces at play. And the total class size was increased.

The parents I know who are talking about Wilson in those ways were likely on a private school or move to the burbs track regardless & this is just the latest talking point....

meant 1/2 of each class at Hardy is Eaton students...

But half of the Eaton class is from out of bounds, not the high SES Eaton district itself.

But in 4 or 5 years, Eaton will have a minimal number of OOB students, just like the rest of Ward-3.

You can see from the current K and 1st classes -- it will still be 25-30% OOB. And with the renovation, more IB families will peel out, like with Hyde.

Not sure how bad the renovation is going to be (compared to Hyde) - they are taking over the old Murch space at UDC - much closer than ETOP.

I only know two families not returning for 3rd grade this coming year, but they would have left anyway. PK4 left 20+ IB on the waitlist after the initial lottery. So the PK4 IB parents were certainly not deterred by the temporary location. Eaton cracked 70% IB this year, up from right around 40% when my first started there merely 4 years ago.

In any event, Eaton’s mix of IB and OOB is what makes the school unique and it does a fantastic job across demographic segments of educating the students.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that what you want for your 8th grade Hardy scholar, a cakewalk in 9th at Wilson? Not inspiring.

Why is this not a problem for Deal?

It is.

So this will solve the problem of overcrowding at the Deal feeders and at Deal itself, as fewer people fight to get into the Deal pyramid, and now its going to be fine to upzone Ward 3?

Upzoning Ward 3 is a developer ploy led by the current head of the Office of Planning (who will go to work for a developer). There are already over 2500 homes under construction or in the late stage planning process, more than exceeding Mayor "Vision Zero's" goal of 2500 more housing units in the ward by 2025. Upzoning single family residential units isn't going to happen, although Council Member Nadeau and the the developer lobby tried to sneak through a last minute amendment recently without a public process.

I don't agree with you on the development issues (and not sure why you are bringing Vision Zero into this) What I do know is that the most common reason given to NOT upzone W3, is overcrowding in the public schools. So, given that the issues with Wilson mean the Deal pyramid is no longer desirable, seems to me there is no longer any reason to not upzone W3.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm bummed that Hardy's momentum is slowing in the wake of Honors for All. Pretty clearly, enthusiasm for Hardy has taken a hit, maybe not a big hit, but a hit. I no longer hear OOB families desperate for a decent public middle school waxing enthusiastic about Hardy like they did a couple years back. We have in-boundary friends with very bright kids who have surprised us by giving up and moving to the burbs this summer. They don't like the publicity Principal Martin gets. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but of concern nonetheless.

You mean slowing on this thread? Not much space left for OOB, what's there to be enthusiastic about. We are not moving even if DC has to go to Wilson.

The comment above doesn't seem to have much situational awareness - the Hardy dynamic was completely changed with the redirect of Eaton to Hardy. Starting with the class that is now going into 7th, about 1/2 of each class cohort is going to be Hardy going forward. That combined with the increased enrollment from Stoddert and Mann - less from Key, and then Hyde is still in a period of adjustment from their renovation. And there is the impact of Basis, DCI, and the feeder pattern on the Hill (for instance, there used to be a bus from the Hill that would bring a set kids to Hardy)... so there are other options and forces at play. And the total class size was increased.

The parents I know who are talking about Wilson in those ways were likely on a private school or move to the burbs track regardless & this is just the latest talking point....

meant 1/2 of each class at Hardy is Eaton students...

But half of the Eaton class is from out of bounds, not the high SES Eaton district itself.

But in 4 or 5 years, Eaton will have a minimal number of OOB students, just like the rest of Ward-3.

You can see from the current K and 1st classes -- it will still be 25-30% OOB. And with the renovation, more IB families will peel out, like with Hyde.

Not sure how bad the renovation is going to be (compared to Hyde) - they are taking over the old Murch space at UDC - much closer than ETOP.

I only know two families not returning for 3rd grade this coming year, but they would have left anyway. PK4 left 20+ IB on the waitlist after the initial lottery. So the PK4 IB parents were certainly not deterred by the temporary location. Eaton cracked 70% IB this year, up from right around 40% when my first started there merely 4 years ago.

In any event, Eaton’s mix of IB and OOB is what makes the school unique and it does a fantastic job across demographic segments of educating the students.

That's fine, but it shouldn't be the mission. The mission should be moving Eaton to be on par with the top elementary schools in Ward 3, in terms of academic quality, enrichment and extracurriculars. The homeless shelter students (whose home issues may create challenges at school for them and their classrooms) will certainly provide diversity going forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that what you want for your 8th grade Hardy scholar, a cakewalk in 9th at Wilson? Not inspiring.

Why is this not a problem for Deal?

It is.

So this will solve the problem of overcrowding at the Deal feeders and at Deal itself, as fewer people fight to get into the Deal pyramid, and now its going to be fine to upzone Ward 3?

Upzoning Ward 3 is a developer ploy led by the current head of the Office of Planning (who will go to work for a developer). There are already over 2500 homes under construction or in the late stage planning process, more than exceeding Mayor "Vision Zero's" goal of 2500 more housing units in the ward by 2025. Upzoning single family residential units isn't going to happen, although Council Member Nadeau and the the developer lobby tried to sneak through a last minute amendment recently without a public process.

I don't agree with you on the development issues (and not sure why you are bringing Vision Zero into this) What I do know is that the most common reason given to NOT upzone W3, is overcrowding in the public schools. So, given that the issues with Wilson mean the Deal pyramid is no longer desirable, seems to me there is no longer any reason to not upzone W3.

"Vision Zero" is a slogan that has a defined meaning in the transportation safety field, but it's also a great nickname for DC's corruptish, vapidish mayor.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that what you want for your 8th grade Hardy scholar, a cakewalk in 9th at Wilson? Not inspiring.

Why is this not a problem for Deal?

It is.

So this will solve the problem of overcrowding at the Deal feeders and at Deal itself, as fewer people fight to get into the Deal pyramid, and now its going to be fine to upzone Ward 3?

Upzoning Ward 3 is a developer ploy led by the current head of the Office of Planning (who will go to work for a developer). There are already over 2500 homes under construction or in the late stage planning process, more than exceeding Mayor "Vision Zero's" goal of 2500 more housing units in the ward by 2025. Upzoning single family residential units isn't going to happen, although Council Member Nadeau and the the developer lobby tried to sneak through a last minute amendment recently without a public process.

I don't agree with you on the development issues (and not sure why you are bringing Vision Zero into this) What I do know is that the most common reason given to NOT upzone W3, is overcrowding in the public schools. So, given that the issues with Wilson mean the Deal pyramid is no longer desirable, seems to me there is no longer any reason to not upzone W3.

"Vision Zero" is a slogan that has a defined meaning in the transportation safety field, but it's also a great nickname for DC's corruptish, vapidish mayor.

still not telling me what the justification for artificiallty holding down density in W3 is, if school capacity is no longer an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that what you want for your 8th grade Hardy scholar, a cakewalk in 9th at Wilson? Not inspiring.

Why is this not a problem for Deal?

It is.

So this will solve the problem of overcrowding at the Deal feeders and at Deal itself, as fewer people fight to get into the Deal pyramid, and now its going to be fine to upzone Ward 3?

Upzoning Ward 3 is a developer ploy led by the current head of the Office of Planning (who will go to work for a developer). There are already over 2500 homes under construction or in the late stage planning process, more than exceeding Mayor "Vision Zero's" goal of 2500 more housing units in the ward by 2025. Upzoning single family residential units isn't going to happen, although Council Member Nadeau and the the developer lobby tried to sneak through a last minute amendment recently without a public process.

I don't agree with you on the development issues (and not sure why you are bringing Vision Zero into this) What I do know is that the most common reason given to NOT upzone W3, is overcrowding in the public schools. So, given that the issues with Wilson mean the Deal pyramid is no longer desirable, seems to me there is no longer any reason to not upzone W3.

"Vision Zero" is a slogan that has a defined meaning in the transportation safety field, but it's also a great nickname for DC's corruptish, vapidish mayor.

still not telling me what the justification for artificiallty holding down density in W3 is, if school capacity is no longer an issue.

What? Since when was school capacity “no longer an issue”?!

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Anonymous wrote:Is that what you want for your 8th grade Hardy scholar, a cakewalk in 9th at Wilson? Not inspiring.

Why is this not a problem for Deal?

It is.

So this will solve the problem of overcrowding at the Deal feeders and at Deal itself, as fewer people fight to get into the Deal pyramid, and now its going to be fine to upzone Ward 3?

Upzoning Ward 3 is a developer ploy led by the current head of the Office of Planning (who will go to work for a developer). There are already over 2500 homes under construction or in the late stage planning process, more than exceeding Mayor "Vision Zero's" goal of 2500 more housing units in the ward by 2025. Upzoning single family residential units isn't going to happen, although Council Member Nadeau and the the developer lobby tried to sneak through a last minute amendment recently without a public process.

I don't agree with you on the development issues (and not sure why you are bringing Vision Zero into this) What I do know is that the most common reason given to NOT upzone W3, is overcrowding in the public schools. So, given that the issues with Wilson mean the Deal pyramid is no longer desirable, seems to me there is no longer any reason to not upzone W3.

"Vision Zero" is a slogan that has a defined meaning in the transportation safety field, but it's also a great nickname for DC's corruptish, vapidish mayor.

still not telling me what the justification for artificiallty holding down density in W3 is, if school capacity is no longer an issue.

What? Since when was school capacity “no longer an issue”?!

Someone on this thread says that so people are so concerned about the changes at Wilson, that Wilson and its feeder pattern schools will become increasingly less desirable and shedding students. Hence - overcrowding will subside.

I don't agree ... but that's how we got on this tangent.

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Lets wait until there are no W3 kids in trailers and the schools have excess capacity before going on a building boom.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm bummed that Hardy's momentum is slowing in the wake of Honors for All. Pretty clearly, enthusiasm for Hardy has taken a hit, maybe not a big hit, but a hit. I no longer hear OOB families desperate for a decent public middle school waxing enthusiastic about Hardy like they did a couple years back. We have in-boundary friends with very bright kids who have surprised us by giving up and moving to the burbs this summer. They don't like the publicity Principal Martin gets. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but of concern nonetheless.

You mean slowing on this thread? Not much space left for OOB, what's there to be enthusiastic about. We are not moving even if DC has to go to Wilson.

The comment above doesn't seem to have much situational awareness - the Hardy dynamic was completely changed with the redirect of Eaton to Hardy. Starting with the class that is now going into 7th, about 1/2 of each class cohort is going to be Hardy going forward. That combined with the increased enrollment from Stoddert and Mann - less from Key, and then Hyde is still in a period of adjustment from their renovation. And there is the impact of Basis, DCI, and the feeder pattern on the Hill (for instance, there used to be a bus from the Hill that would bring a set kids to Hardy)... so there are other options and forces at play. And the total class size was increased.

The parents I know who are talking about Wilson in those ways were likely on a private school or move to the burbs track regardless & this is just the latest talking point....

meant 1/2 of each class at Hardy is Eaton students...

But half of the Eaton class is from out of bounds, not the high SES Eaton district itself.

But in 4 or 5 years, Eaton will have a minimal number of OOB students, just like the rest of Ward-3.

You can see from the current K and 1st classes -- it will still be 25-30% OOB. And with the renovation, more IB families will peel out, like with Hyde.

The swing space at UDC is barely a mile's walk from Eaton, and easily drivable. Even if any families peel off during the renovation, they and new in-boundary families will show up in droves after the renovation. That was certainly the case with Hearst, which for years had barely any neighborhood enrollment. Yet since the renovation, an upward IB trend has surged, crowding out OOB spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lets wait until there are no W3 kids in trailers and the schools have excess capacity before going on a building boom.

Why wait? None of the residents will be coming for the schools, given that the pyramid is now crap, because of Wilson. QED.

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Anonymous wrote:Lets wait until there are no W3 kids in trailers and the schools have excess capacity before going on a building boom.

Why wait? None of the residents will be coming for the schools, given that the pyramid is now crap, because of Wilson. QED.

You sound quite gleeful. Greater Washington, perhaps?