WPPSI - Caught Cheating?

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Moralist: "My Dear Jeff, I think we have another sock puppet. My "Ivy tower", entitlement world view is crashing again. Please delete the previous posts."

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But the real question to ask is why the tester lies to you? .... and why you still believe your child's IQ score is 1:1000?

Yes. Absolutely right on.

These tests are normed using results from all over the US, and the scores include learning disabled, mentally handicapped, etc.

If you want a true percentile ranking of your child on the test in this applications process - compare to previous scores in DC among other private school applicants. Then the 1:1000 score would likely fall in the meaty part of the bell curve.

This has beeen discussed extensively on other threads.

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You're wrong, testers do note on a child's report-narrative when there is an over familiarity with a subset or if she suspects that the test has been administered recently/before.

False. No tester is going to open him/herself up to litigation from some multi-millionaire parent who believes his/her child has been falsely labeled by a tester. And especially not for a test that most psychologists recognize is being misused. (Was never intended to be used to screen for giftedness; was for learning disabilities.)

Phrases like, "started exercises before instructions were given' - is NOT "code" speak. There is no "code speak"...

These testing places aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them and get a bunch of wealthy, powerful people pissed off at them over 'suspicions'...

Interesting perspective. I onder if that's why all of the kids in DC from wealthy parents seem to score 99.9 percentile.

The whole thing is such BS!

Nonsense! We are "wealthy DC parents" with a child that scored closed to 99.9 and we didn't buy the test or have any knowledge of what would be on the test prior.

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Anonymous wrote:Moralist: "But, that's cheating. How can you live with yourself and child? Will you confess to the psychologist that your child plays with blocks, puzzles, mazes, numbers and words...and works on his fine motor skill on the piano? (before or after he/she cashes your $500 check)

Are you kidding? I have several teacher friends across the country that work on these things with their children regularly. They live in areas where public schools are great so they don't ever have to take the WPPSI and attend public. These are basic games that most educated people do with their children at some point with most having no intention on taking a test.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, people are beginning to get it. I thought the flood gates would never open. The high minded moralists have now buried their heads. EXPOSED for what the WPPSI exam is...a pure multi-million dollar racket/scam (like the parent SAT/ACT business model). I continue to "study, prep, create and play for leisure and pleasure" with toys the God fairy dropped off for a hot summer of fun so "my brain doesn't turn to mush".

Wow you are one angry person? What gives? Child flunked the test? Didn't get into a Big 3 or even second tier school? Why so angry? My child scored amazingly well and we didn't buy a test or prep in any way. Sorry that seems so hard for you to grasp. Get over your anger and move on. Everyone that does well on the test doesn't "cheat." ADs can get a good grasp of a child's intellect in the playdate. They ask specific questions and can get a good gauge. When our child was able to read at 3.5 without us doing anything but read to him every day- that was a good indication that he probably would do well on the tests.

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OP, another thing, I think that when a child scores well on a WPPSI, the parents have a way of getting on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

The WPPSI is designed to level the playing field between the good cheaters and the unsophisticated ones.

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Anonymous wrote:The WPPSI is designed to level the playing field between the good cheaters and the unsophisticated ones.

HEE HEE HAAAH

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So what is fair? Is the measured IQ of a kid who is 'naturally' exposed to games in the home which which might perchance improve the child's scores on coding, symbol searches, and pattern blocks more accurate than the one who came across those games through the panicked prep of an uber-parent? Is that what is fair? Honestly, anyone who justifies their child's IQ score by somehow implying 'natural' exposure to these games is somehow more honest than the deliberate exposure by parents who care about admissions is just fooling themselves.

The test is garbage. Take it from someone whose real IQ is probably 120 and whose measured IQ is 140.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know....my child took the test two years in a row. The first year he aced the test with 99% without ever having looked at any of those workbooks they sell at bookstores. The second year we did have those workbooks for pre-k/kindergarten for fun in the house (not as prepping). Anyway, point is our child scored the same the second year with the books so not sure that they make a difference. Mind you these aren't the exams they are just books anyone can pick up in a book store. My kid loves doing them and that is why we bought them. I am not going to stop doing them in fear that some nut is worried that my kid is getting an advantage. For the record, the test scores are only a part of the reasoning. I know SO many children that had high 95 plus scores and didn't get into any Big 3's. I wouldn't worry so much about this - really. All older children use these books in the summers - so are you going to accuse them of cheating as well for the ERB's?

99 is as high as the test scores go so it makes sense your DC's test results didn't go up after using the prep books.

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"Wow you are one angry person? What gives? Child flunked the test? Didn't get into a Big 3 or even second tier school? Why so angry? My child scored amazingly well and we didn't buy a test or prep in any way. Sorry that seems so hard for you to grasp. Get over your anger and move on. Everyone that does well on the test doesn't "cheat." ADs can get a good grasp of a child's intellect in the playdate. They ask specific questions and can get a good gauge. When our child was able to read at 3.5 without us doing anything but read to him every day- that was a good indication that he probably would do well on the tests."

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I am not angry at all. Just don't find it necessary like you to brag about nonsense and garbage...like WPPSI. My child is a Davidson Young Scholar and CTY award winner (2nd Grade) --amongst highest verbal and math scores in nation/MD. The younger boy is even more accomplished. Neither make a big deal about 99.9% ... they know smarter and more accomplished individuals.

It appears your world revolves around WPPSI and you are unsettled that I tell you this yardstick is meaningless and a scam. Don't miscontrue facts and truth as anger...though I do understand you mentality. It's the same one that drives this scam.

My children, and some others, seem to know what you don't about the test. "It's a ridiculous test, Dad." "This measures intelligence?"

The children are clearly more intelligent than you.

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Addendum: What is the Big 3? We are relatively new to this region? Is this another one of your scams like WPPSI?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know....my child took the test two years in a row. The first year he aced the test with 99% without ever having looked at any of those workbooks they sell at bookstores. The second year we did have those workbooks for pre-k/kindergarten for fun in the house (not as prepping). Anyway, point is our child scored the same the second year with the books so not sure that they make a difference. Mind you these aren't the exams they are just books anyone can pick up in a book store. My kid loves doing them and that is why we bought them. I am not going to stop doing them in fear that some nut is worried that my kid is getting an advantage. For the record, the test scores are only a part of the reasoning. I know SO many children that had high 95 plus scores and didn't get into any Big 3's. I wouldn't worry so much about this - really. All older children use these books in the summers - so are you going to accuse them of cheating as well for the ERB's?

99 is as high as the test scores go so it makes sense your DC's test results didn't go up after using the prep books.

Yes, but point being the score was a 99 before ever looking at a book or playing with puzzles etc...

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Anonymous wrote:I am not angry at all. Just don't find it necessary like you to brag about nonsense and garbage...like WPPSI. My child is a Davidson Young Scholar and CTY award winner (2nd Grade) --amongst highest verbal and math scores in nation/MD. The younger boy is even more accomplished. Neither make a big deal about 99.9% ... they know smarter and more accomplished individuals.

NP here. You've confused me, probably because you and your children are so much smarter than I am. Maybe you can answer a couple questions:
(1) You're trashing standardized tests like the WPPSI and people who rely on them, and yet you're citing Davidson Young and CTY as some sort of proof of merit? But qualification for those groups is based on the same standardized testing you're trashing, including the WPPSI.
(2) Are you one of the people posting earlier who sees nothing wrong with extensive prep of your children for these tests, including purchase of the actual test materials? (I haven't been following the thread closely enough to know all the players and positions by heart, so I apologize for not knowing the answer to that one.) If you think all that prep work is perfectly permissible and acceptable, then isn't participation in Davidson Young and CTY a big pile of horseshit, since anyone with $500 and a couple weekends of free time could teach their kids to ace the qualification tests?

Thanks for explaining this to a simpleton like me. Please use short words.

[Anonymous]

Response:

You speculated about why I thought WPPSI is a multi-million dollar private school scam. You believe it is because my children failed and did not get into a Big 3 (?). I answered your query.

WPPSI exam process remains a scam (a la Madoff).

Is this simple enough and the words short enough for you to comprehend?

What is Big 3 ... please clarify?