Quince Orchard community meeting for Boundary Analysis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For most sane parents, this is an entirely financial debate because none of us would ever consider actually sending our children to failing schools if rezoned. It would just be expensive to move, that's all.

I hope the BOE understands that it can change boundaries, but it will never get our kids.

You keep saying that. Who's we, and how will the BoE get whoever-we-are's kids?

My child is not a social experiment.
My child is not a full-time tutor.
My child is not a stairstep as the education politicians look for a promotion.
My family will not play your game.

Um. Ok, I guess? My kids aren't either, and i don't understand the panic about the boundary analysis.

I believe that the BOE should be providing the backbone of stabllity to the county, not be the source of anxiety.
They should be targeting the gap while also striving to preserve the achievement.
They should be fixing what is broken, not messing with what works.
They should be respecting that families chose where they live, not make families question ever investing a red cent into this county.
They should be motivating the community to come together, not repeating the experiment of forced demographic integration that failed time and time again nationwide.
They should make us proud to be in MCPS instead of questioning daily wherher we made a mistake trusting the MCPS to educate our children.

How does MCPS fix making parents care about their kids doing well in school? How does MCPS fix families that don't have two parents in a living situation which is been shown any times to hep wiht the outcome of education and stability in a kids life? This situation is much more complex than sending kids in buses all over the place to fix what is broken in the families.

[Anonymous]

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If you live in a highly segregated neighborhood near an integrated neighborhood, your child is ALREADY a social experiement. Just an experiment that began

They should also be changed because segregated schools are indefensible. They were indefensible in 1954, and in 1971, and they are indefensible now.

They are not segregated. They are open to all people who live in the district, you dolt. Don’t use words to use racism as a label to just arbitrarily make a point. There are no schools in Montgomery County that are segregated as in 1954 Alabama. Not one. If people are made out to be racists no matter what they do, your points will be ineffective. Does racism exist in the County? Yes. In fact, making a blanket assumption that Asian people are “scared” of Black people, which has been implied many time in this thread, is racist.

Let A = schools in Alabama in 1954
Let B = school segregation

A c B

[Anonymous]

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How does MCPS fix making parents care about their kids doing well in school? How does MCPS fix families that don't have two parents in a living situation which is been shown any times to hep wiht the outcome of education and stability in a kids life? This situation is much more complex than sending kids in buses all over the place to fix what is broken in the families.

I am really, really, really tired of the idea that poor families, African-American families, black families, Hispanic families don't care about their kids doing well in school.

And the idea that a family that doesn't have two parents is a broken family? it's 2019, for pete's sake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For most sane parents, this is an entirely financial debate because none of us would ever consider actually sending our children to failing schools if rezoned. It would just be expensive to move, that's all.

I hope the BOE understands that it can change boundaries, but it will never get our kids.

You keep saying that. Who's we, and how will the BoE get whoever-we-are's kids?

My child is not a social experiment.
My child is not a full-time tutor.
My child is not a stairstep as the education politicians look for a promotion.
My family will not play your game.

Um. Ok, I guess? My kids aren't either, and i don't understand the panic about the boundary analysis.

I believe that the BOE should be providing the backbone of stabllity to the county, not be the source of anxiety.
They should be targeting the gap while also striving to preserve the achievement.
They should be fixing what is broken, not messing with what works.
They should be respecting that families chose where they live, not make families question ever investing a red cent into this county.
They should be motivating the community to come together, not repeating the experiment of forced demographic integration that failed time and time again nationwide.
They should make us proud to be in MCPS instead of questioning daily wherher we made a mistake trusting the MCPS to educate our children.

How does MCPS fix making parents care about their kids doing well in school? How does MCPS fix families that don't have two parents in a living situation which is been shown any times to hep wiht the outcome of education and stability in a kids life? This situation is much more complex than sending kids in buses all over the place to fix what is broken in the families.

It’s not in MCPS’s jurisdiction and funding allowance to fix a student’s home life. But what MCPS could do is provide training, mentorship and counseling to help a student coming from a troubled home life. Teacha suffering student good study habits, life skills, value morality, leadership, how to make goals, how to overcome a challenging home life, increase self esteem etc. etc.... Let’s equip and strengthen the needy students because you it’s an easier solution than trying to fix a broken home. The importation or exportation of students from better SES classes to sit and babysit them in class is not a solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
How does MCPS fix making parents care about their kids doing well in school? How does MCPS fix families that don't have two parents in a living situation which is been shown any times to hep wiht the outcome of education and stability in a kids life? This situation is much more complex than sending kids in buses all over the place to fix what is broken in the families.

I am really, really, really tired of the idea that poor families, African-American families, black families, Hispanic families don't care about their kids doing well in school.

And the idea that a family that doesn't have two parents is a broken family? it's 2019, for pete's sake.

https://www.newsadvance.com/townnews/education/the-achievement-gap-and-broken-families/article_c82ce14a-1c7b-5c1d-a3e5-d68632f1c92b.html
https://www.educationnext.org/education-gap-grows-adolescents-single-parent-families/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4508674/

You may not want to acknowledge it but there are studies that show that being from a single parent household does affect education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How does MCPS fix making parents care about their kids doing well in school? How does MCPS fix families that don't have two parents in a living situation which is been shown any times to hep wiht the outcome of education and stability in a kids life? This situation is much more complex than sending kids in buses all over the place to fix what is broken in the families.

I am really, really, really tired of the idea that poor families, African-American families, black families, Hispanic families don't care about their kids doing well in school.

And the idea that a family that doesn't have two parents is a broken family? it's 2019, for pete's sake.

https://www.newsadvance.com/townnews/education/the-achievement-gap-and-broken-families/article_c82ce14a-1c7b-5c1d-a3e5-d68632f1c92b.html
https://www.educationnext.org/education-gap-grows-adolescents-single-parent-families/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4508674/

You may not want to acknowledge it but there are studies that show that being from a single parent household does affect education.


Hush. Don’t state facts that will rile up the liberals on DCUM again. Let them be in their own fact-less bubble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How does MCPS fix making parents care about their kids doing well in school? How does MCPS fix families that don't have two parents in a living situation which is been shown any times to hep wiht the outcome of education and stability in a kids life? This situation is much more complex than sending kids in buses all over the place to fix what is broken in the families.

I am really, really, really tired of the idea that poor families, African-American families, black families, Hispanic families don't care about their kids doing well in school.

And the idea that a family that doesn't have two parents is a broken family? it's 2019, for pete's sake.

https://www.newsadvance.com/townnews/education/the-achievement-gap-and-broken-families/article_c82ce14a-1c7b-5c1d-a3e5-d68632f1c92b.html
https://www.educationnext.org/education-gap-grows-adolescents-single-parent-families/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4508674/

You may not want to acknowledge it but there are studies that show that being from a single parent household does affect education.


Hush. Don’t state facts that will rile up the liberals on DCUM again. Let them be in their own fact-less bubble.

From the third article cited: "These results do not support the notion that increases in single parenthood have had serious consequences for U.S. children’s school achievement."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I believe that the BOE should be providing the backbone of stabllity to the county, not be the source of anxiety.
They should be targeting the gap while also striving to preserve the achievement.
They should be fixing what is broken, not messing with what works.
They should be respecting that families chose where they live, not make families question ever investing a red cent into this county.
They should be motivating the community to come together, not repeating the experiment of forced demographic integration that failed time and time again nationwide.
They should make us proud to be in MCPS instead of questioning daily wherher we made a mistake trusting the MCPS to educate our children.

So don't be anxious. Nobody is making you move. Nobody is ruining your child's school. Nobody is forcing you to argue with your neighbors. Nobody forced you to buy lots for your residence based on the assumption that school boundaries would never change. If you choose to do any of those things, that's your choice.

In a way, I am so thankful for these anonymous conversations.

I am seeing Social Justice Warriors in a completely new light - the complete lack of.compassion, the inhumanity, the hypocrisy. None of you have cared over this entire time that families like mine may lose $200k and have the inconvenience of moving while you attempt to walk on rainbows or whatever.

Over the last 3 months, you have collectively persuaded me to start voting republican. Not on the national level probably, but locally? I have never tried it before, but now I cannot wait.

Wonder how many other converts you bave made.

That’s just your fear talking. But that is the defining factor of conservatives - fear.

[Anonymous]

Instead of arbitrarily changing boundaries which few people want- why don't they offer more choice programs at target schools? Seems like that would be a more win-win solution. Of course it's easier to race bait.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having more low performing kids at your school doesn’t hurt your kid. The biggest predictors of educational achievement are household income and the mother’s education level. Those won’t change for your family regardless of who your kids go to school with.

What bring more low income/performing kids into a wealthier school does, though, is expose those kids to more resources, and a parent body that has both the knowledge and opportunity to advocate for more resources for that particular school.

Yeah sure. For example, getting paired in a project with someone who simply does not study at all, that does not hurt your kid. It may be annoying but that is fine. The teachers and other students know how these kids do things so it is not going to affect your kid's grade. Ask your kids if they would enjoy that.

Again, low income is fine. Many low income kids do fine because they work hard - they may get achieve even more if provided the opportunities but even without those, they can do fine. I would think providing opportunities to them would be useful

But "low performing" kids? you certainly have more bad apples in that group.

Please. There are always slackers in team projects. Part of what your kid will learn is how to cope. Because that’s real life. If you shield them from real life in the real world, you are the one doing your kid a disservice. Most MCPS kids WANT more diversity. Thank goodness the kids are not as fearful as the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having more low performing kids at your school doesn’t hurt your kid. The biggest predictors of educational achievement are household income and the mother’s education level. Those won’t change for your family regardless of who your kids go to school with.

What bring more low income/performing kids into a wealthier school does, though, is expose those kids to more resources, and a parent body that has both the knowledge and opportunity to advocate for more resources for that particular school.

Yeah sure. For example, getting paired in a project with someone who simply does not study at all, that does not hurt your kid. It may be annoying but that is fine. The teachers and other students know how these kids do things so it is not going to affect your kid's grade. Ask your kids if they would enjoy that.

Again, low income is fine. Many low income kids do fine because they work hard - they may get achieve even more if provided the opportunities but even without those, they can do fine. I would think providing opportunities to them would be useful

But "low performing" kids? you certainly have more bad apples in that group.

Sure, that sucks. My kids have had to deal with it. That's life. Hasn't that happened to you at work? In college? Do you honestly think that sh1t like this doesn't happen in higher performing schools? My kid went to an HGC, and this happened to DC there, too. Didn't hurt my kid. In fact, it taught my kid to be more resilient. I don't subscribe to the "lawnmower", "snowplow" parent where I think it's my job to remove every road block from my kids' successes.

Also, in HS, if your kid is high performing, your kid will be separated from the riff raff if your kid takes AP/honors courses. No worries there.

Of course it does too.

But who would like to deliberately and willingly increase the chance of that happening?

Because your kids learn from it too. And they won’t be able to slack themselves. They will have to innovate, be creative, be a problem solver, and work hard. All good things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For most sane parents, this is an entirely financial debate because none of us would ever consider actually sending our children to failing schools if rezoned. It would just be expensive to move, that's all.

I hope the BOE understands that it can change boundaries, but it will never get our kids.

You keep saying that. Who's we, and how will the BoE get whoever-we-are's kids?

My child is not a social experiment.
My child is not a full-time tutor.
My child is not a stairstep as the education politicians look for a promotion.
My family will not play your game.

Your kid is a social experiment because s/he has benefited from a racist system that lifts him/her up by keeping others down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For most sane parents, this is an entirely financial debate because none of us would ever consider actually sending our children to failing schools if rezoned. It would just be expensive to move, that's all.

I hope the BOE understands that it can change boundaries, but it will never get our kids.

You keep saying that. Who's we, and how will the BoE get whoever-we-are's kids?

My child is not a social experiment.
My child is not a full-time tutor.
My child is not a stairstep as the education politicians look for a promotion.
My family will not play your game.

Your kid is a social experiment because s/he has benefited from a racist system that lifts him/her up by keeping others down.

Too bad you were not able to do the same for your kid, despite every affirmative action advantage in this great land.

Somehow I managed as a child of a divorced recent immigrant mother who made $7.50 per hour while I attended college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having more low performing kids at your school doesn’t hurt your kid. The biggest predictors of educational achievement are household income and the mother’s education level. Those won’t change for your family regardless of who your kids go to school with.

What bring more low income/performing kids into a wealthier school does, though, is expose those kids to more resources, and a parent body that has both the knowledge and opportunity to advocate for more resources for that particular school.

Yeah sure. For example, getting paired in a project with someone who simply does not study at all, that does not hurt your kid. It may be annoying but that is fine. The teachers and other students know how these kids do things so it is not going to affect your kid's grade. Ask your kids if they would enjoy that.

Again, low income is fine. Many low income kids do fine because they work hard - they may get achieve even more if provided the opportunities but even without those, they can do fine. I would think providing opportunities to them would be useful

But "low performing" kids? you certainly have more bad apples in that group.

Please. There are always slackers in team projects. Part of what your kid will learn is how to cope. Because that’s real life. If you shield them from real life in the real world, you are the one doing your kid a disservice. Most MCPS kids WANT more diversity. Thank goodness the kids are not as fearful as the parents.

I hope you are not saying that based on handpicked students at testimony who were pretty much related to small group of MCCPTA leadership having their own agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For most sane parents, this is an entirely financial debate because none of us would ever consider actually sending our children to failing schools if rezoned. It would just be expensive to move, that's all.

I hope the BOE understands that it can change boundaries, but it will never get our kids.

You keep saying that. Who's we, and how will the BoE get whoever-we-are's kids?

My child is not a social experiment.
My child is not a full-time tutor.
My child is not a stairstep as the education politicians look for a promotion.
My family will not play your game.

Your kid is a social experiment because s/he has benefited from a racist system that lifts him/her up by keeping others down.

Agree, many poor Asians having single immigrant parents are doing well due to racist system in USA.