Why are there no DC families being called out on this college fraud

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My theory is that in general East Coast families are hyper focused on college from an early age and, what pp said, through red shirting, private schools, tutors etc. are gaming the system that way.

They do all that in LA and SF too.

I think it’s just that Singer was a west coast operation. Becoming a client was probably a word of mouth thing.

I bet there are similar schemes on the east coast.

If anyone in DC tried this, their own friends and social circle would turn them in. Rich & powerful people here keep score and keep track of the relative academic and athletic ranking of the kids at their kids schools, the kids from their Country Club friends and the kids of their coworkers. If anyone gets in a school surprisingly above their expectations, people here would ask questions.

You are very naive, and must not know any of these people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you read the whole affidavit it sure seemed like USC was used to this kind of thing and automatically set aside a few athletic spots for non-athletes whose families were then to make a big donation. I think this system has been around for quite awhile and probably takes place at many schools.

That's because it was the Associate Athletic Director, not just a single sport coach, who managed the scheme at USC. She knew which coaches had open recruit slots and would be willing to sell them.

I don't get this...do the coaches not watch the kids play their sport? I mean, my daughter was just a lowly D3 recruit but she had coaches at her games and she sent in video.

One of the things that I haven't heard anyone talk about is the role of Title IX in this. These schools that have big football/basketball programs have a hard time fulfilling their Title IX obligations for recruiting and providing scholarships for female athletes. The coaches were offering up full pay female "recruits." Even if they never went on to play, you bet they were counted somewhere in the system. If the coach vouched for the student, there was no way that the school was going to question how they were making their numbers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because dahling, we are smarter - we use our private schools counselors to facilitate our donations to the school (and those counselors will call these colleges on our behalf as we just donated $500,000 at private school fundraiser) and our little spawns are athletes (in tennis/squash/volleyball/) taking easy A classes at our $50k privates and our doctors/consultants already arranged for the extra time accommodation

Actually, we ARE smarter. This area is a lot more educated and high IQ, and I presume that our children need fewer boosts to score 1270 on the SAT. Which $50,000 private around here offers easy As?

Really? You think people in SV are stupid and their kids don't score high on the SATs? Get a life! You need to get outside of your DC bubble. There are lots of smart kids in CA, especially SV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to see no one in the area called out in the fraud scam. Why is this? I have a few theories:

1) Singer hadn't cracked the DC/east coast market yet
2) People in DC are doing this but it's sneakier so it hasn't been found out yet
3) people in DC would not be interested in this fraud, it's too beyond the pail for even us

what do you think?

It's beyond the pale, not pail. If you can't even proofread a DCUM post, how are you going to write your kid's college essay?

that was autocorrect at work

Yup — autocorrect also ate my homework.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My theory is that in general East Coast families are hyper focused on college from an early age and, what pp said, through red shirting, private schools, tutors etc. are gaming the system that way.

They do all that in LA and SF too.

I think it’s just that Singer was a west coast operation. Becoming a client was probably a word of mouth thing.

I bet there are similar schemes on the east coast.

If anyone in DC tried this, their own friends and social circle would turn them in. Rich & powerful people here keep score and keep track of the relative academic and athletic ranking of the kids at their kids schools, the kids from their Country Club friends and the kids of their coworkers. If anyone gets in a school surprisingly above their expectations, people here would ask questions.

this is a good point. DC has way too many narcs and milk monitor types

This. DC is full of hall monitors. Do yall read this discussion board? People here are the nosiest busybodies who do not mind their own business. Go look at that thread about people turning in their neighbors for not paying VA car taxes.

You are clearly not part of that crowd. That crowd commits financial frauds all the time. They were a huge part of the financial crisis letting bad loans. Many have been arrested and convicted of financial crimes... but they treat that like concussions... if you are are going to play there will be injuries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My theory is that in general East Coast families are hyper focused on college from an early age and, what pp said, through red shirting, private schools, tutors etc. are gaming the system that way.

They do all that in LA and SF too.

I think it’s just that Singer was a west coast operation. Becoming a client was probably a word of mouth thing.

I bet there are similar schemes on the east coast.

If anyone in DC tried this, their own friends and social circle would turn them in. Rich & powerful people here keep score and keep track of the relative academic and athletic ranking of the kids at their kids schools, the kids from their Country Club friends and the kids of their coworkers. If anyone gets in a school surprisingly above their expectations, people here would ask questions.

this is a good point. DC has way too many narcs and milk monitor types

This. DC is full of hall monitors. Do yall read this discussion board? People here are the nosiest busybodies who do not mind their own business. Go look at that thread about people turning in their neighbors for not paying VA car taxes.

You are clearly not part of that crowd. That crowd commits financial frauds all the time. They were a huge part of the financial crisis letting bad loans. Many have been arrested and convicted of financial crimes... but they treat that like concussions... if you are are going to play there will be injuries.

+1. Also, they can be as nosy as they want, but without evidence, it goes nowhere.

I can just imagine the feds reacting to this kind of thing. “Hey Jeff, here’s another bitter mom/dad complaining that some kid with inferior ECs got into Yale but their own wonderful kid was rejected, so fraud must be involved and we should waste taxpayer money to hound the lucky family. Watch me rim-shot my notes into the trash!”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All this makes me feel like a failure in parenting. The length, effort needed to cheat and break the law to put their kids through college. It just would have never occurred to me to bribe someone, cheat, fake sports to get my kids into college of my/ their choice. I feel like a bad parent - like i don’t love my kids enough to go to such lengths.

They didn't do this because they love their kids. They did this to feed their own massive egos.

I’m not so sure. What if your kid always dreamed of attending X university, told all his/her friends he wants to go there, and you had the means of facilitating it? Some kids really didn’t know what cheating schemes their parents were implementing for them. I wouldn’t do it, but I think some parents would (and obviously did) cheat because they live their kids.

Their kids signed off on their applications and must have played along to some degree. How do you get admitted to a college as a member of the Crew team and then never once attend a Crew event? How do you take the SAT and not realize that your score is not a competitive score? How do you go into the ACT and not realize that the proctor is giving you the answers to the test?

Yes, I think Loughlin's kids must have known, but I don't think Huffman's kids did. They only got the SAT cheat. They'd get "diagnosed" for LD and go to a special testing center, but the cheating happened after they left -- the guy would correct the test scores. In the transcript of the phone calls w/ Huffman/Macy, they talk is if 2nd DD is earnestly prepping and planning to take the test. It seems like she doesn't know. Also, if Singer was sending in Common App for kids, they may not know about some of the embellishments -- didn't one id get asked about track and seem clueless? But the Loughlin daughter was confronted by a school counselor wh didn't think the girls did crew, and she posed for fake crew photos.

[Anonymous]

UM, because there were no DC families involved? There are only about 30 families that are listed as having participated in this scheme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/felicityhuffman/

Scroll thru Huffman's instagram. Extreeemely liberal.

I said Loughlin. Not Huffman, I know she's liberal. You suggested that all these people are liberal. I'd say most are probably conservative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Why would they need to do that?

There's no such thing as "just not bright enough for a decent college and will end up in trade school" anymore. DMV parents won't accept that. Those kids all get private testing that gives them diagnoses of "ADHD", "low processing speed" (not kidding), "low IQ" (not kidding either), and then they're either put on speed to give them super-human concentration ability and/or get "accommodations" such as not needing to do the entire test, getting extra time, etc. And then they don't graduate from "High School Lite", it's the same transcript as everyone else.

There's no need to pay off anyone - just be forceful enough to get as much testing as you need that says what you want and then be pushy enough to force the accommodations that a kid with those diagnoses is legally entitled to.

Please stop.

My child has a processing speed in the 4th percentile, OCD and severe inattentive ADHD, all of which are making our lives hell right now, despite all the accommodations that his kind school can offer. You are impugning his reputation and that of other children with genuine special needs when you run your mouth idiotically like this.

As a research scientist, I can tell you that psychologists who assess and evaluate such children in the area are professionals with PhDs who have no incentive to jeoardize their careers with such crap. There might be a bad apple, of course. But after a while, it’s hard to hide these things.

Having a child with special needs is worrying enough. We don’t need vile accusations like yours to make our lives even harder!

Shame on you.

Well, said. Hang in there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to see no one in the area called out in the fraud scam. Why is this? I have a few theories:

1) Singer hadn't cracked the DC/east coast market yet
2) People in DC are doing this but it's sneakier so it hasn't been found out yet
3) people in DC would not be interested in this fraud, it's too beyond the pail for even us

what do you think?

LA is a dumb liberal bubble.

DC is a smart liberal bubble.

this was EXACTLY what my husband said last night when we were discussing

Do we know all the parents were liberal, like that big-shot lawyer? No, we don’t.

Or the packaging czar? The celebrities were the obvious folks for the media to latch onto, and odds are they’re dems (although we don’t even know that for sure). But we have no clue about the politics or geography of everyone else.

I grew up in the LA bubble, and a couple of the named people don't live too far from me.

I guarantee you that some of the Orange County ones are Republicans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/felicityhuffman/

Scroll thru Huffman's instagram. Extreeemely liberal.

I said Loughlin. Not Huffman, I know she's liberal. You suggested that all these people are liberal. I'd say most are probably conservative.

Los Angeles born-poster here (who also lived in Silicon Valley)...

most people on that list are Democrats of hte NIMBY variety. Then there are some Republicans, but they are the socially liberal but fiscally conservative brand of Orange County republican.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/felicityhuffman/

Scroll thru Huffman's instagram. Extreeemely liberal.

I said Loughlin. Not Huffman, I know she's liberal. You suggested that all these people are liberal. I'd say most are probably conservative.

Los Angeles born-poster here (who also lived in Silicon Valley)...

most people on that list are Democrats of hte NIMBY variety. Then there are some Republicans, but they are the socially liberal but fiscally conservative brand of Orange County republican.

Nice try, but you have no way of knowing any of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to see no one in the area called out in the fraud scam. Why is this? I have a few theories:

1) Singer hadn't cracked the DC/east coast market yet
2) People in DC are doing this but it's sneakier so it hasn't been found out yet
3) people in DC would not be interested in this fraud, it's too beyond the pail for even us

what do you think?

LA is a dumb liberal bubble.

DC is a smart liberal bubble.

this was EXACTLY what my husband said last night when we were discussing

Do we know all the parents were liberal, like that big-shot lawyer? No, we don’t.

I thought Loughlin was conservative, always talking family values and acting in Hallmark channel stuff....

And, I'll bet many of the CEOs busted are Republicans.

Here you go:
The contributions included:

At least $135,525 to the Democratic National Committee

At least $131,800 to committees benefiting or controlled by then-presidential candidate and current U.S. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah)

At least $73,600 to the Republican National Committee

At least $30,000 to committees benefiting Gavin Newsom

At least $25,000 to the Kamala Harris Senate Committee and the committee for her California attorney general candidacy

At least $16,900 to committees benefiting or controlled by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.)

$8,350 to the National Republican Campaign Committee

$8,350 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/political-donors-college-admissions-scandal_n_5c883861e4b0fbd7661ed2fb

PP here...this proves my point... it's evenly mixed, but lots of NIMBY Democrats (NIMBY democrats LOVE Kamala Harris) and Big-Business Republicans (they LOVE Mitt Romney).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/felicityhuffman/

Scroll thru Huffman's instagram. Extreeemely liberal.

I said Loughlin. Not Huffman, I know she's liberal. You suggested that all these people are liberal. I'd say most are probably conservative.

DP: you are crazy. Most those CA people are Dem. I saw an article, none of them had donated $ to Trump, 6-7 to HRC, 6-7 to Obama, 4-5 to Bush jr.