Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson

[Anonymous]

MJ is prime bait. He was weird enough that you can cast all sorts of accusations his way and find some audience that will believe you. I'm leaning toward he wasn't an abuser but I hesitate to declare that as I don't want to stand against any victims. BUT, how many people were so quick to defend Kavanaugh against all kinds of allegations and justify them, and how quick we are to condemn someone who feels sincere, hurt, and lost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these randos defending him? I am sure there are better causes for justice to dedicate oneself to.

I think these are paid troll or bots generating responses.

Because they don’t agree with you?

I’m in the camp that he was a pedophile. When the second allegation came out that was it for me but I get that some ppl don’t think he was. Some ppl will never think he was a pedophile. Both those men lied and said MJ never touched them when it really mattered so now it’s hard for some to believe them.

To be fair... both those "children lied" and now as adults they are telling their story.

Often children don't know what child abuse is... so what they say is not really a lie.

If you ask a kid, did your teacher abuse you... they may say no.
If you ask a kid, did your teacher sit you on his lap and move you around, they may say yes.

I agree. I was abused as a child and 'conditioned' to hide it. I was asked point blank several times about it by people in authority (who could have done something about it) but I felt compelled to keep the secret even though I knew it was wrong. It wasn't until I was an adult and out of that environment that I realized what was done and started talking about it. However, I still find it difficult to discuss with anyone who knew me back then.

[Anonymous]

MJ stans are willfully blind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are all these randos defending him? I am sure there are better causes for justice to dedicate oneself to.

I think these are paid troll or bots generating responses.

Because they don’t agree with you?

I’m in the camp that he was a pedophile. When the second allegation came out that was it for me but I get that some ppl don’t think he was. Some ppl will never think he was a pedophile. Both those men lied and said MJ never touched them when it really mattered so now it’s hard for some to believe them.

How much are you getting paid?

How much are you?

Also, learn to read. I very much believe he is a pedophile but didn’t need this documentary to sway me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are all these randos defending him? I am sure there are better causes for justice to dedicate oneself to.

I think these are paid troll or bots generating responses.

Because they don’t agree with you?

I’m in the camp that he was a pedophile. When the second allegation came out that was it for me but I get that some ppl don’t think he was. Some ppl will never think he was a pedophile. Both those men lied and said MJ never touched them when it really mattered so now it’s hard for some to believe them.

To be fair... both those "children lied" and now as adults they are telling their story.

Often children don't know what child abuse is... so what they say is not really a lie.

If you ask a kid, did your teacher abuse you... they may say no.
If you ask a kid, did your teacher sit you on his lap and move you around, they may say yes.

The issue is, Wade lied again as an adult (at 22) when it could’ve helped put MJ away. That’s why ppl have trouble believing him. Now he is coming forward after a failed attempt to get money from the estate.

[Anonymous]

After 30 minutes I had to turn it off. I believe the victims. I don’t need a two part documentary of 4 hours to convince me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MJ is prime bait. He was weird enough that you can cast all sorts of accusations his way and find some audience that will believe you. I'm leaning toward he wasn't an abuser but I hesitate to declare that as I don't want to stand against any victims. BUT, how many people were so quick to defend Kavanaugh against all kinds of allegations and justify them, and how quick we are to condemn someone who feels sincere, hurt, and lost.

This a 100%

Poor Michael Jackson was a very talented but deeply troubled man who was hurting and alone. It didn’t help that he looked super weird and acted super weird. He was naive and wholly unaware of how to operate as a “normal” person in society. For some reason he seemed to have connected with children.Maybe because he could connect with them and be his weird self around them without them judging him harshly. His boundaries or appropriatenes with children were definitely murky by society’s standards but I have not seen any evidence that demonstrates his intentions were malicious or that he hurt any of them.

It’s surprising to me that everyone is defending Brett Kavaunauhh when he obviously seemed malicious and could have actually assaulted someone. But because he was powerful and successful and lived a very conventional life, people were quick to question the allegations.

Why isn’t MJ being offered the same courtesy? Because he’s weird and because he was a black man.

This isn’t the first instance of a black man being assumed guilty becaueeba white person said so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MJ is prime bait. He was weird enough that you can cast all sorts of accusations his way and find some audience that will believe you. I'm leaning toward he wasn't an abuser but I hesitate to declare that as I don't want to stand against any victims. BUT, how many people were so quick to defend Kavanaugh against all kinds of allegations and justify them, and how quick we are to condemn someone who feels sincere, hurt, and lost.

This a 100%

Poor Michael Jackson was a very talented but deeply troubled man who was hurting and alone. It didn’t help that he looked super weird and acted super weird. He was naive and wholly unaware of how to operate as a “normal” person in society. For some reason he seemed to have connected with children.Maybe because he could connect with them and be his weird self around them without them judging him harshly. His boundaries or appropriatenes with children were definitely murky by society’s standards but I have not seen any evidence that demonstrates his intentions were malicious or that he hurt any of them.

It’s surprising to me that everyone is defending Brett Kavaunauhh when he obviously seemed malicious and could have actually assaulted someone. But because he was powerful and successful and lived a very conventional life, people were quick to question the allegations.

Why isn’t MJ being offered the same courtesy? Because he’s weird and because he was a black man.

This isn’t the first instance of a black man being assumed guilty becaueeba white person said so.

Really? So you actually think that, if Brett Kavanaugh as an adult had slept in beds with 7-11 year old boys, he would have even been nominated?

That is the biggest stretch of "whataboutism" ever. EVER.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MJ is prime bait. He was weird enough that you can cast all sorts of accusations his way and find some audience that will believe you. I'm leaning toward he wasn't an abuser but I hesitate to declare that as I don't want to stand against any victims. BUT, how many people were so quick to defend Kavanaugh against all kinds of allegations and justify them, and how quick we are to condemn someone who feels sincere, hurt, and lost.

This a 100%

Poor Michael Jackson was a very talented but deeply troubled man who was hurting and alone. It didn’t help that he looked super weird and acted super weird. He was naive and wholly unaware of how to operate as a “normal” person in society. For some reason he seemed to have connected with children.Maybe because he could connect with them and be his weird self around them without them judging him harshly. His boundaries or appropriatenes with children were definitely murky by society’s standards but I have not seen any evidence that demonstrates his intentions were malicious or that he hurt any of them.

It’s surprising to me that everyone is defending Brett Kavaunauhh when he obviously seemed malicious and could have actually assaulted someone. But because he was powerful and successful and lived a very conventional life, people were quick to question the allegations.

Why isn’t MJ being offered the same courtesy? Because he’s weird and because he was a black man.

This isn’t the first instance of a black man being assumed guilty becaueeba white person said so.

None? So you didn't follow the Jordie Chandler settlement, or the prosecution, or watch the documentary, I guess - since those are all evidence.

Jus because some black men weren't guilty doesn't mean that this one wasn't.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know how anyone could watch that documentary and not come away from it shaken and disturbed. Of course he did it. Even if you doubt Wade, Jimmy is a broken and scarred man and you can see from both men how hard it was to see what Michael was doing to them was abuse. The Oprah special afterward really explains how sexually abused children come to terms with this. Michael May have been a musical genius and he did many good things for children and people around the world with his wealth and image but he clearly was a pedophile and molested boys.

[Anonymous]

Wade showed rings Michael Jackson gave him. He and Safechuck described how Jackson had a system of bells and locks to alert him if someone was coming into his bedroom. Wade's mother talked about dropping her son off at 1:30am at Jackson's house and how her son went straight into Jackson's bedroom.

WTF do you all think was going on?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After 30 minutes I had to turn it off. I believe the victims. I don’t need a two part documentary of 4 hours to convince me.

Feldman, who shared his abuse publicly, claims MJ is innocent. Perhaps Feldman wasn't MJ's type . . .

Culkin hasn't said anything either.

Both could have easily been groomed, too.

weird situation altogether

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After 30 minutes I had to turn it off. I believe the victims. I don’t need a two part documentary of 4 hours to convince me.

Feldman, who shared his abuse publicly, claims MJ is innocent. Perhaps Feldman wasn't MJ's type . . .

Culkin hasn't said anything either.

Both could have easily been groomed, too.

weird situation altogether

Just because Jackson didn't abuse every boy in his circle doesn't mean he didn't abuse ANY boys. It's very possible he felt he could exploit Robson and Safechuck more easily than Culkin or Feldman because they weren't celebrities who would have been followed more closely by staff and the public.

[Anonymous]

I had surgery last week and watched all 6 parts of the R Kelly docu and now this 2 part docu + the Oprah special. Both documentaries have a ton...like A TON...of online support for the abuser. Makes me really ill. I don't know how people can be so blind.

[Anonymous]

I can’t decide which is more likely: that jackson didn’t molest Culkin and Feldman, or that he did and they are lying about it either willfully because they think it will hurt their image or careers or have buried the memories. I think it’s probablh more likely he did molest them and they aren’t admitting it.