Democrats November edge evaporates after kavanaugh hearing

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Anonymous wrote:Only the Dems could lose momentum and still allow a partisan hack on the Supreme Court. No one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory quite like the Dems. Starting an all-out war against the largest voting block in the country is a great way to go into the midterms.

Perverts are not the largest voting block in the country.

Tax paying, english speaking, law-abiding people are. And they don’t vote dem!

LOL. Try again. Blue states are the most prosperous and the most educated. We LOVE paying taxes!

Clearly.

+1 Proudly, the blue state of Maryland and Yale gave us Judge Kavanaugh.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys are missing the point:

It was known from the start that the mid-terms were going to hinge on turn out. The Democrats were really fired up about voting for the various reasons that others have cited. The Republicans were fairly complacent. What has turned things around is the Kavanaugh fracas and the belief by Republicans that he has been hounded and pilloried by Democrats - it does not matter whether this is valid.

I think the Democrats will still take the House but the Senate, at best, will remain in Republican hands and they may even increase their majority.

The thing about Trump is that despite all his nuttiness, he is very savvy politically. He really does not care if Kavanaugh goes down which is why he has stuck with him. If he goes down, you can be sure that he will exploit it to the hilt and enrage Republicans even more and you will likely see a massive turn-out in November. If Kavanaugh is confirmed, Trump will brag about it and drive Republicans to vote because he will say that without a solid majority in the Senate, other appointments are in jeopardy and will cite the Kavanaugh experience.

Democratic incumbent senators in red states are in a bind; their best bet - at least some of them - would be to support Kavanaugh's confirmation. Voting against his confirmation will jeopardize their reelection prospects. Voting in his favor may just possibly help.

We all get the point. We just disagree about what anyone was supposed to do about this. Is your suggestion that we accept this unqualified, dispositionally unfit accused sex predator for the bench because then maybe Trump will keep quiet and Republicans will forget there's an election?

What matters is the end game: the Democrats sought short term advantage with the FBI background check, etc. It has given those who are on the fence cover to vote for Kavanaugh. At this point what can we do to minimize the fall-out whether he is confirmed or not?

If I were Trump, if he goes down, I'd renominate him and urge Republicans to get out and vote so that a larger majority can ensure that Kavanaugh or someone else is confirmed.

Vulnerable Democratic senators are boxed in: either vote for Kavanaugh and have a chance of being reelected or vote against him and risk being voted out by ramped up turnout.

I think you are missing the point because you are focused on only two of the three branches: a judge who lied and expressed strong partisan views is about to get a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. This body of government is supposed to be the one that balances the other two -- he throws off the balance. This is why all ABA and law professors have come out against him. Listen to the people who understand this branch of government the most. They know this is wrong.

You say the bolded part as if that's the broadly accepted truth, but it isn't. If you are at all concerned with the functioning of the court in terms of how well it retains the original intent as an independent judiciary that balances the power of the other two branches, then by default your preference should be for a textualist judge like Scalia, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh. Yet Democrats are dead-set on using the judiciary as a way to interpret new meaning into existing law, and are thus the ones who have caused the politicization of the court. If you don't believe me, look at what Scalia said about RvW. He said he doesn't care what the public thinks about abortion, he cares what the US constitution says about it, which is nothing. He says if the people wants abortion to be protected, just make it into law, that it is wrong to depend on the personal opinions of 9 individuals on what modern law says on the subject. He says that how he feels about abortion on a personal level is irrelevant. Does that sound like the position of a partisan judge?

You say this as if it were broadly accepted truths, which it isn't. There are other Justices who feel differently about how to interpret the Constitution. That is what the Judiciary does, interprets. This is especially the case where there is textual silence. They interpret what the founders, drafters, whatever, may have meant.
So, while you are correct that Scalia et al., subscribe to the "strict" reading of the document, there are other Justices (on SCOTUS and in the lower courts) that do not. One is not correct and the other incorrect. They are different views as to the standards that should be applying in that review.

I don't give a rat's behind what Scalia says, btw. Roe, as well as the other cases applying privacy rights, has been reinforced many times over the last several decades. Stare Decisis is also supp'd to matter to the Courts. And if that is the case, it doesn't matter that he disagrees, or Gorsuch, or Alito. They can't just decide they don't like it w/o violating SD. And in doing so, violating the integrity of the court, their decisions, past, present, and future.

Huh? You complain that the judiciary branch has departed from the function of "supposed to be the one that balances the other two", essentially an originalist position on the function of the Supreme Court, but then when it's pointed out that Scalia, Gorsuch, and Kavanaughs are the textualists, which is the judicial philosophy that preserves the original meaning of laws that regulates the functions of our government, you then argue that you don't agree with their views? So do you want the original purpose of the Supreme Court preserved or not?

If you cared about the purpose of the supreme court, why would you not care what Scalia, a Supreme Court Justice, has said about the purpose of the court, especially since he is a justice who shares your view about preserving the original purpose of the court?

FYI: This thread is not a back and forth between two people. You are responding to at least three different posters here. And I'm with the PP who said your argument veered way off the original point. The
comment was not about his jurisprudence, it is about his politics and blaming "the Clintons" and vowing revenge, and the Canons for judicial conduct. His "originalist" jurisprudence is irrelevant to this conversation ... but we know you knew that. Dodge and veer, just like K did before the Senate.

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Anonymous wrote:Trumps mimicking of Dr. Ford last night did not help Republicans. He gets in front of "his people" and he can't help himself. He starts it, they lap it up, and he just keeps going.

Just like you lap up whatever nonsense is spouted by Hirono, Harris, and Feinstein.
Oh, and don't forget your dear leader Ellison - everyone's favorite wife beater.

No, it's not just like that. Stop lying. Nobody cares about Ellison, stop trying to make that happen.

Oh, and it's funny and sad that, in trying to justify yourself, you have to denigrate 3 women. You do you.

Ellison should be disowned by the Democrats. I don't care for guys who beat up women.

As far as male Democrats who are as odious as the likes of Hirono, etc how about Spartacus Booker and the liar Blumenthal.

What is so "odious" about Hirono? She seems pretty milquetoast, and prior to the Kavanaugh hearings, obscure. Does being a woman make her odious?

Conservatives are generally afraid of women, but ones who speak their mind and demand that men do their part to combat sexual violence are utterly terrifying. Look at just the three man allegations about Brett Kavanaugh: in each, at least one other boy/man was present and could have said something in defense of the victim, especially in Ms. Ramirez’s case. No one spoke up.
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Agree! Conservative men expect women to shut up and mind their place. Conservative women support this subservient mindset. Conservative women are doormats who “stand by their man.”

In some ways conservative women horrify me the most. They are so brainwashed but they will argue to the death that they it is RIGHT and JUST that women be subjugated. And all the wailing right now about how #metoo or the discussions of sexual assaults are bad for the men in their lives. Oh my poor husband. Oh my poor sons. The world has turned against them. Blah blah blah. It's like a twisted form of Stockholm syndrome. And the conviction that they are so steeped in Christian values, but the kindness and love Jesus spoke of is only reserved for white people who look and think like they do.

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Oh get out of your bubble. I'm a conservative woman and I'm not Christian, so there.

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we will know in a month won't we so what does it matt,er either vote or don't or stay home nd have some wine (OR WHINE)!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Only the Dems could lose momentum and still allow a partisan hack on the Supreme Court. No one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory quite like the Dems. Starting an all-out war against the largest voting block in the country is a great way to go into the midterms.

Perverts are not the largest voting block in the country.

Tax paying, english speaking, law-abiding people are. And they don’t vote dem!

LOL. Try again. Blue states are the most prosperous and the most educated. We LOVE paying taxes!

Clearly.

+1 Proudly, the blue state of Maryland and Yale gave us Judge Kavanaugh.

Blue staters move to red states because of the high taxes they voted for. Then vote for high taxes again. They’re morons.

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Anonymous wrote:Only the Dems could lose momentum and still allow a partisan hack on the Supreme Court. No one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory quite like the Dems. Starting an all-out war against the largest voting block in the country is a great way to go into the midterms.

Perverts are not the largest voting block in the country.

Tax paying, english speaking, law-abiding people are. And they don’t vote dem!

Uh, are you forgetting Trump lost the popular vote?

To paraphrase Ben Franklin, that matters not a whit

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Anonymous wrote:Trumps mimicking of Dr. Ford last night did not help Republicans. He gets in front of "his people" and he can't help himself. He starts it, they lap it up, and he just keeps going.

Just like you lap up whatever nonsense is spouted by Hirono, Harris, and Feinstein.
Oh, and don't forget your dear leader Ellison - everyone's favorite wife beater.

No, it's not just like that. Stop lying. Nobody cares about Ellison, stop trying to make that happen.

Oh, and it's funny and sad that, in trying to justify yourself, you have to denigrate 3 women. You do you.

Ellison should be disowned by the Democrats. I don't care for guys who beat up women.

As far as male Democrats who are as odious as the likes of Hirono, etc how about Spartacus Booker and the liar Blumenthal.

What is so "odious" about Hirono? She seems pretty milquetoast, and prior to the Kavanaugh hearings, obscure. Does being a woman make her odious?

Conservatives are generally afraid of women, but ones who speak their mind and demand that men do their part to combat sexual violence are utterly terrifying. Look at just the three man allegations about Brett Kavanaugh: in each, at least one other boy/man was present and could have said something in defense of the victim, especially in Ms. Ramirez’s case. No one spoke up.
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Agree! Conservative men expect women to shut up and mind their place. Conservative women support this subservient mindset. Conservative women are doormats who “stand by their man.”

In some ways conservative women horrify me the most. They are so brainwashed but they will argue to the death that they it is RIGHT and JUST that women be subjugated. And all the wailing right now about how #metoo or the discussions of sexual assaults are bad for the men in their lives. Oh my poor husband. Oh my poor sons. The world has turned against them. Blah blah blah. It's like a twisted form of Stockholm syndrome. And the conviction that they are so steeped in Christian values, but the kindness and love Jesus spoke of is only reserved for white people who look and think like they do.

No, it is you who are brainwashed. Supporting the vilification of men and the use of false accusations of sexual assault for cheap political gain. Literally destroying relations between the sexes just so the democrats can have more power, let in more immigrants to destroy our country, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have done the impossible: they have united the Trump base, the Republican establishment and the "never Trumpers" with their tactics on the Kavanaugh nomination.

If Kavanaugh is not confirmed, we'll see the full brunt of this united front in November. If he is confirmed, it may dissipate.

It's truly amazing. Nominating an establishment candidate like Kav turned out to be brilliant, because when the other establishment types saw how viscous and amoral the liberals have gotten, it forced them to circle the wagons with trump. Many establishment types have been "red-pilled" and turned into tumpos in the last few weeks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trumps mimicking of Dr. Ford last night did not help Republicans. He gets in front of "his people" and he can't help himself. He starts it, they lap it up, and he just keeps going.

Just like you lap up whatever nonsense is spouted by Hirono, Harris, and Feinstein.
Oh, and don't forget your dear leader Ellison - everyone's favorite wife beater.

No, it's not just like that. Stop lying. Nobody cares about Ellison, stop trying to make that happen.

Oh, and it's funny and sad that, in trying to justify yourself, you have to denigrate 3 women. You do you.

Ellison should be disowned by the Democrats. I don't care for guys who beat up women.

As far as male Democrats who are as odious as the likes of Hirono, etc how about Spartacus Booker and the liar Blumenthal.

What is so "odious" about Hirono? She seems pretty milquetoast, and prior to the Kavanaugh hearings, obscure. Does being a woman make her odious?

Hirono came across as a man-hating Scold. Not a good look.

[Anonymous]

Hirono is a bigot and a racist. She should slither back under the rock in volcano where she came from.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps mimicking of Dr. Ford last night did not help Republicans. He gets in front of "his people" and he can't help himself. He starts it, they lap it up, and he just keeps going.

Just like you lap up whatever nonsense is spouted by Hirono, Harris, and Feinstein.
Oh, and don't forget your dear leader Ellison - everyone's favorite wife beater.

No, it's not just like that. Stop lying. Nobody cares about Ellison, stop trying to make that happen.

Oh, and it's funny and sad that, in trying to justify yourself, you have to denigrate 3 women. You do you.

Ellison should be disowned by the Democrats. I don't care for guys who beat up women.

As far as male Democrats who are as odious as the likes of Hirono, etc how about Spartacus Booker and the liar Blumenthal.

What is so "odious" about Hirono? She seems pretty milquetoast, and prior to the Kavanaugh hearings, obscure. Does being a woman make her odious?

Conservatives are generally afraid of women, but ones who speak their mind and demand that men do their part to combat sexual violence are utterly terrifying. Look at just the three man allegations about Brett Kavanaugh: in each, at least one other boy/man was present and could have said something in defense of the victim, especially in Ms. Ramirez’s case. No one spoke up.
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Agree! Conservative men expect women to shut up and mind their place. Conservative women support this subservient mindset. Conservative women are doormats who “stand by their man.”

In some ways conservative women horrify me the most. They are so brainwashed but they will argue to the death that they it is RIGHT and JUST that women be subjugated. And all the wailing right now about how #metoo or the discussions of sexual assaults are bad for the men in their lives. Oh my poor husband. Oh my poor sons. The world has turned against them. Blah blah blah. It's like a twisted form of Stockholm syndrome. And the conviction that they are so steeped in Christian values, but the kindness and love Jesus spoke of is only reserved for white people who look and think like they do.

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Oh get out of your bubble. I'm a conservative woman and I'm not Christian, so there.

Whatever. You are in the minority there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have done the impossible: they have united the Trump base, the Republican establishment and the "never Trumpers" with their tactics on the Kavanaugh nomination.

If Kavanaugh is not confirmed, we'll see the full brunt of this united front in November. If he is confirmed, it may dissipate.

It's truly amazing. Nominating an establishment candidate like Kav turned out to be brilliant, because when the other establishment types saw how viscous and amoral the liberals have gotten, it forced them to circle the wagons with trump. Many establishment types have been "red-pilled" and turned into tumpos in the last few weeks.

Ah-hah-hah-hah-hah. Ah-hah-hah-hah-hah (wipes tear from eye). Liberals are viscous and amoral?

Trump is one of the most amoral, viscous, narcissistic people in the world and the GOP has completely thrown in with him and his lying partisan hack of a nominee. Give us a break.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps mimicking of Dr. Ford last night did not help Republicans. He gets in front of "his people" and he can't help himself. He starts it, they lap it up, and he just keeps going.

Just like you lap up whatever nonsense is spouted by Hirono, Harris, and Feinstein.
Oh, and don't forget your dear leader Ellison - everyone's favorite wife beater.

No, it's not just like that. Stop lying. Nobody cares about Ellison, stop trying to make that happen.

Oh, and it's funny and sad that, in trying to justify yourself, you have to denigrate 3 women. You do you.

Ellison should be disowned by the Democrats. I don't care for guys who beat up women.

As far as male Democrats who are as odious as the likes of Hirono, etc how about Spartacus Booker and the liar Blumenthal.

What is so "odious" about Hirono? She seems pretty milquetoast, and prior to the Kavanaugh hearings, obscure. Does being a woman make her odious?

Conservatives are generally afraid of women, but ones who speak their mind and demand that men do their part to combat sexual violence are utterly terrifying. Look at just the three man allegations about Brett Kavanaugh: in each, at least one other boy/man was present and could have said something in defense of the victim, especially in Ms. Ramirez’s case. No one spoke up.
.

Agree! Conservative men expect women to shut up and mind their place. Conservative women support this subservient mindset. Conservative women are doormats who “stand by their man.”

In some ways conservative women horrify me the most. They are so brainwashed but they will argue to the death that they it is RIGHT and JUST that women be subjugated. And all the wailing right now about how #metoo or the discussions of sexual assaults are bad for the men in their lives. Oh my poor husband. Oh my poor sons. The world has turned against them. Blah blah blah. It's like a twisted form of Stockholm syndrome. And the conviction that they are so steeped in Christian values, but the kindness and love Jesus spoke of is only reserved for white people who look and think like they do.

No, it is you who are brainwashed. Supporting the vilification of men and the use of false accusations of sexual assault for cheap political gain. Literally destroying relations between the sexes just so the democrats can have more power, let in more immigrants to destroy our country, etc.

Destroying relations between the sexes? Vilification of men? Dear Lord, that is how you view the huge watershed moment of women of all ages FINALLY feeling able to speak their TRUTH about the mistreatment they have received at the hands of men? Immigrants are destroying the country?

Lady, you need to wake up. You just completely proved my point about the brainwashed bit. Stop regurgitating Fox News made-up talking points. You are the horror of which I speak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hirono is a bigot and a racist. She should slither back under the rock in volcano where she came from.

Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps mimicking of Dr. Ford last night did not help Republicans. He gets in front of "his people" and he can't help himself. He starts it, they lap it up, and he just keeps going.

Just like you lap up whatever nonsense is spouted by Hirono, Harris, and Feinstein.
Oh, and don't forget your dear leader Ellison - everyone's favorite wife beater.

No, it's not just like that. Stop lying. Nobody cares about Ellison, stop trying to make that happen.

Oh, and it's funny and sad that, in trying to justify yourself, you have to denigrate 3 women. You do you.

Ellison should be disowned by the Democrats. I don't care for guys who beat up women.

As far as male Democrats who are as odious as the likes of Hirono, etc how about Spartacus Booker and the liar Blumenthal.

What is so "odious" about Hirono? She seems pretty milquetoast, and prior to the Kavanaugh hearings, obscure. Does being a woman make her odious?

Conservatives are generally afraid of women, but ones who speak their mind and demand that men do their part to combat sexual violence are utterly terrifying. Look at just the three man allegations about Brett Kavanaugh: in each, at least one other boy/man was present and could have said something in defense of the victim, especially in Ms. Ramirez’s case. No one spoke up.
.

Agree! Conservative men expect women to shut up and mind their place. Conservative women support this subservient mindset. Conservative women are doormats who “stand by their man.”

In some ways conservative women horrify me the most. They are so brainwashed but they will argue to the death that they it is RIGHT and JUST that women be subjugated. And all the wailing right now about how #metoo or the discussions of sexual assaults are bad for the men in their lives. Oh my poor husband. Oh my poor sons. The world has turned against them. Blah blah blah. It's like a twisted form of Stockholm syndrome. And the conviction that they are so steeped in Christian values, but the kindness and love Jesus spoke of is only reserved for white people who look and think like they do.

No, it is you who are brainwashed. Supporting the vilification of men and the use of false accusations of sexual assault for cheap political gain. Literally destroying relations between the sexes just so the democrats can have more power, let in more immigrants to destroy our country, etc.

Destroying relations between the sexes? Vilification of men? Dear Lord, that is how you view the huge watershed moment of women of all ages FINALLY feeling able to speak their TRUTH about the mistreatment they have received at the hands of men? Immigrants are destroying the country?

Lady, you need to wake up. You just completely proved my point about the brainwashed bit. Stop regurgitating Fox News made-up talking points. You are the horror of which I speak.

If THEIR TRUTH is THE TRUTH, then I agree that it should be heard loud and clear and consequences doled out. If THEIR TRUTH means anything they say is automatically true, regardless of what they remember and regardless of anything else that might negate what they're saying, then I think you and those who think like you are wrong. And I hate to burst your bubble, but I'm neither brainwashed nor a regurgitator of any news anchor's thoughts. Not every woman tells the truth, and not every man lies.