Grand Jury reports 300 accused priests, 1,000+ child victims, 70-year coverup by the Catholic Church

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Anonymous wrote:So who here on DCUM still has their child serve as an Altar Boy or Girl?

They should ban those positions. Make them adult-only volunteers if they are truly needed. They could just leave the Eucharist and wine goblet at the front of the church on a side table.

In our parish the Altar Servers are never alone with the priest. The only interaction they have is on the altar in front of the entire church. So, yes my children have been and will continue to be Altar Servers.

I don't know how you can ensure that Altar Servers are never alone with a priest. There are ceremonial gowns and artifacts to organize in back rooms. Robes to hang up and put away. Do the Altar Servers have completely separate dressing quarters? Is there another adult required to be with them in the back rooms?

Also, is this a church-wide official policy? I know the Boy Scouts mandated new policies and abuse training to ensure that no Scout leader would be alone with a scout.

By your language (ceremonial gowns, artifacts, dressing quarters) I assume you are not Catholic or at least not one with any practical knowledge of the church. Our church always has a sacristan present in the “back room” for security reasons alone. Most of the time there is also a lector, 2-3 servers, the priest and possibly a deacon.

If you need this many people for security, or to practice your faith, then I feel like you're doing religion wrong. The ceremony and ritual are for entertainment, not a belief in God.

Entertainment? Really? You are clearly a know nothing.

It is a form of entertainment - it's making religion a performance, not a belief.

You can add Episcopal Church to the pomp and circumstance performance. Where did that pomp and circumstance come from?
It is not from the Bible. Tell me where in the New Testament it is.

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The pc talk about catholic priest pedophiles not preferring a gender is a myth. Even the church thought the priests preferred boys...like Maskell the priest in Baltimore who got transferred to an all girls school. Turns out he went for girls too. But I think the vast majority are not heterosexual. What they are, not sure but the overwhelmingly prefer young boys

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Anonymous wrote:The pc talk about catholic priest pedophiles not preferring a gender is a myth. Even the church thought the priests preferred boys...like Maskell the priest in Baltimore who got transferred to an all girls school. Turns out he went for girls too. But I think the vast majority are not heterosexual. What they are, not sure but the overwhelmingly prefer young boys

They are pedophiles

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Anonymous wrote:Is this new information? I thought we knew this about catholic priests and the church.

Apparently hundreds of thousands of children later and it's well publicized enough that people are speaking out. Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:The pc talk about catholic priest pedophiles not preferring a gender is a myth. Even the church thought the priests preferred boys...like Maskell the priest in Baltimore who got transferred to an all girls school. Turns out he went for girls too. But I think the vast majority are not heterosexual. What they are, not sure but the overwhelmingly prefer young boys

They are pedophiles

Pp, I get that. But if pedophiles don’t prefer a gender, that’s not what this is. Theses priests do have a preference. I know this. All of my brothers were abused and the priests never spoke a word to the girls in the family. I know others abused in my parish...all boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Put an end to clerical celibacy for crying out loud.

This is not about celibacy. Being celibate does not lead to people raping and abusing children. And covering up the rape and abuse of children is not a result of celibacy. Men did this, because the institution provided a platform and organization for them to carry out their crimes, with a powerful and secretive hand.

I completely agree that priests should be allowed to marry (at their choice), and that women should be included at ever level equal to men, including priesthood. And full transparency. That's not going to happen until the current church is brought down brick by brick, however.

Ah, but it does rule out "normal" people from becoming priests. And it makes permissible deviant behavior and gives pedos a place to seem normal and unfettered access to kids and trust.

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Oh and commonly in my parish a mother was told that the priest had identified her son as an excellent candidate for the priesthood, and that they all mothers who have a son with a vocation have a ‘ticket’ to go straight to heaven.

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Pedophiles can prefer girls or boys, that is, their sexuality is hard-wired for pre-pubescent boys OR girls, usually not both. They have a high rate of recidivism and their sexuality cannot be sublimated to normative sexual attraction to an adult of either gender. Sexual predators of underage boys or girls who are post-pubescent are not pedophiles, strictly speaking, unless they get meaningful help, recidivism is high. If they got meaningful help it is possible that their sexuality could be sublimated to normative sexual attraction to an adult of either gender. What the studies that have looked at sex abuse in the catholic church have found is that the celibacy rule creates a culture of secrecy because about half of priests are having sex with adult men or women while serving and they do not want to be exposed, so they keep quiet about things they observe or hear about re: children.

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Why is Archbishop of Washington Cardinal Wuerl still in his position? He is named as covering up the abuse when he was Bishop of Pittsburgh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this new information? I thought we knew this about catholic priests and the church.

Apparently hundreds of thousands of children later and it's well publicized enough that people are speaking out. Disgusting.

Many if not most of the cases in the report have been in the news in the past. Do a google search and set your search date limits for the past (like '86 to '06). This report is a review of church files to review how the church handled those cases. This is the phase where they are after the people who mishandled cases internally.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Archbishop of Washington Cardinal Wuerl still in his position? He is named as covering up the abuse when he was Bishop of Pittsburgh.

Pretty sure that is who they are after with this report. And Zubik. Maybe especially Zubik.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Archbishop of Washington Cardinal Wuerl still in his position? He is named as covering up the abuse when he was Bishop of Pittsburgh.

Pretty sure that is who they are after with this report. And Zubik. Maybe especially Zubik.

So it is a criminal investigation honing in on Zubik and Wuerl where they could face criminal charges for obstructing justice or something like that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is Archbishop of Washington Cardinal Wuerl still in his position? He is named as covering up the abuse when he was Bishop of Pittsburgh.

If you want to read a truly maddening excerpt from the PA Grand Jury report on how Cardinal Wuerl dragged his feet on dealing with and ultimately REINSTATING a known pedophile priest to his Diocese, who then went on to abuse more boys, read below:

https://observer-reporter.com/news/grandjuryreport/priests/catholic-diocese-report-summary-of-reverend-william-p-o-malley/article_2fadb68a-a0ac-11e8-a8a8-637d8da450c4.html

The dereliction of duty by Cardinal Wuerl in this one case alone should force him to step down.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Archbishop of Washington Cardinal Wuerl still in his position? He is named as covering up the abuse when he was Bishop of Pittsburgh.

Tradition? See also Cardinal McCarrick.

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Anonymous wrote:I am originally from Scranton and know some of the priests. (Not well. Neighboring parishes). My aunt has a work friend who is close with one of the accused priest. She chooses (the friend, not my aunt) he is innocent. They often have dinner parties and he is invited. It makes me so disgusted! How can you welcome him to your home?

The pedophile priest is probably charming and friendly. The friend has been indoctrinated since childhood to respect her priest and would never doubt his authority. She is a good Catholic!

Do you remember the Beauvoir pedophile teacher from a few years ago? Actually, that story is how I found DCUM all those years ago....I googled Beauvoir and a link to postings on DCUM popped up. Pedophile teacher was so charming and popular -- invited to parents' homes, babysat and tutored for students outside of the classroom, and was living with a school family prior to fleeing the country for Central America. He was charming and fooled all of the parents. That is what pedophiles do. They charm and groom the parents to the point that the child "must have misinterpreted" what really happened if they have the courage to tell their parents about the abuse.

There was a former PA seminarian with same M.O. working for DCPS.. It is the theater of their lives. They are permanently on stage grooming and whispering sweet nothings in they ears of their victims or as he called them "His minions".He manipulated them into believing they were doing g-ds work. He spoke openly to colleagues and petty administrators about his lust for boys. Yet no one acted to have him removed. In what universe could this be acceptable banter and behavior in a public school.

Scrantonian here. They are inviting the priest post-accusation/defrocked. I don’t know how they can stand to look at him.