Closing Georgetown Pike Ramp to I-495

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This intersection was a mess before the 66 Tolls started.

I live near /Benjamin and we have a very senior Federal official who lives nearby who is the cause of this closure. This closure is happening and will be permanent. There is no control Fairfax or VA has on this.....

Good. A commercial truck with MD play pets nearly crushed me and another car doing an illegal you turn on Georgetown Pike

EXACTLY! And fire engines and other service vehicles cannot get through. It's very simple; close that on-ramp and force the Marylanders back onto the Beltway where they should be in the first place. They are using that access only because they want to relieve themselves of the congestion that bottles up the beltway before the American Bridge.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Marylanders think their commute is everyone else's problem?

They decided to take a job in another state. To most people, that would mean moving to that state, not driving to endanger almost every day. They simply have no regard for the rules of the road, so they got what they asked for. People who live in that area should not be fearing for their lives every day because of some a-hole drivers who think they are above the law. There are more and more each day, and it is truly out of control - much like the drivers themselves.

Of course no one in McLean works in DC, right?

Are we talking about MD vs. VA or something else entirely? Maybe you should start your own thread?

We are talking about the closing of a particular ramp. Which inconveniences some people. To which some McLean respondent said - if you take a job in another state, you should move to that state, and not endanger people who live in that state. There are definitely people in McLean who get jobs in DC, and do not move there. Many or most of them drive into DC. At least a few drive dangerously in DC (it's of course easy to tell a Va driver in DC from the license plate, and the make of car can tell you if its an affluent Virginian, though not every driver of luxury cars with Va plates in DC is from McLean - of course bumper stickers can help ID where they are from)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Marylanders think their commute is everyone else's problem?

They decided to take a job in another state. To most people, that would mean moving to that state, not driving to endanger almost every day. They simply have no regard for the rules of the road, so they got what they asked for. People who live in that area should not be fearing for their lives every day because of some a-hole drivers who think they are above the law. There are more and more each day, and it is truly out of control - much like the drivers themselves.

Of course no one in McLean works in DC, right?

Are we talking about MD vs. VA or something else entirely? Maybe you should start your own thread?

We are talking about the closing of a particular ramp. Which inconveniences some people. To which some McLean respondent said - if you take a job in another state, you should move to that state, and not endanger people who live in that state. There are definitely people in McLean who get jobs in DC, and do not move there. Many or most of them drive into DC. At least a few drive dangerously in DC (it's of course easy to tell a Va driver in DC from the license plate, and the make of car can tell you if its an affluent Virginian, though not every driver of luxury cars with Va plates in DC is from McLean - of course bumper stickers can help ID where they are from)

The point of the post is that the ramp was closed due to Maryland drivers endangering people at a shockingly high rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Marylanders think their commute is everyone else's problem?

They decided to take a job in another state. To most people, that would mean moving to that state, not driving to endanger almost every day. They simply have no regard for the rules of the road, so they got what they asked for. People who live in that area should not be fearing for their lives every day because of some a-hole drivers who think they are above the law. There are more and more each day, and it is truly out of control - much like the drivers themselves.

Of course no one in McLean works in DC, right?

Are we talking about MD vs. VA or something else entirely? Maybe you should start your own thread?

We are talking about the closing of a particular ramp. Which inconveniences some people. To which some McLean respondent said - if you take a job in another state, you should move to that state, and not endanger people who live in that state. There are definitely people in McLean who get jobs in DC, and do not move there. Many or most of them drive into DC. At least a few drive dangerously in DC (it's of course easy to tell a Va driver in DC from the license plate, and the make of car can tell you if its an affluent Virginian, though not every driver of luxury cars with Va plates in DC is from McLean - of course bumper stickers can help ID where they are from)

The point of the post is that the ramp was closed due to Maryland drivers endangering people at a shockingly high rate.

Yes. Not sure how that contradicts what I said above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Marylanders think their commute is everyone else's problem?

They decided to take a job in another state. To most people, that would mean moving to that state, not driving to endanger almost every day. They simply have no regard for the rules of the road, so they got what they asked for. People who live in that area should not be fearing for their lives every day because of some a-hole drivers who think they are above the law. There are more and more each day, and it is truly out of control - much like the drivers themselves.

Of course no one in McLean works in DC, right?

Are we talking about MD vs. VA or something else entirely? Maybe you should start your own thread?

We are talking about the closing of a particular ramp. Which inconveniences some people. To which some McLean respondent said - if you take a job in another state, you should move to that state, and not endanger people who live in that state. There are definitely people in McLean who get jobs in DC, and do not move there. Many or most of them drive into DC. At least a few drive dangerously in DC (it's of course easy to tell a Va driver in DC from the license plate, and the make of car can tell you if its an affluent Virginian, though not every driver of luxury cars with Va plates in DC is from McLean - of course bumper stickers can help ID where they are from)

The point of the post is that the ramp was closed due to Maryland drivers endangering people at a shockingly high rate.

Yes. Not sure how that contradicts what I said above.

You were deviating from OP by mentioning other places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Marylanders think their commute is everyone else's problem?

They decided to take a job in another state. To most people, that would mean moving to that state, not driving to endanger almost every day. They simply have no regard for the rules of the road, so they got what they asked for. People who live in that area should not be fearing for their lives every day because of some a-hole drivers who think they are above the law. There are more and more each day, and it is truly out of control - much like the drivers themselves.

Of course no one in McLean works in DC, right?

Are we talking about MD vs. VA or something else entirely? Maybe you should start your own thread?

We are talking about the closing of a particular ramp. Which inconveniences some people. To which some McLean respondent said - if you take a job in another state, you should move to that state, and not endanger people who live in that state. There are definitely people in McLean who get jobs in DC, and do not move there. Many or most of them drive into DC. At least a few drive dangerously in DC (it's of course easy to tell a Va driver in DC from the license plate, and the make of car can tell you if its an affluent Virginian, though not every driver of luxury cars with Va plates in DC is from McLean - of course bumper stickers can help ID where they are from)

The point of the post is that the ramp was closed due to Maryland drivers endangering people at a shockingly high rate.

Yes. Not sure how that contradicts what I said above.

Yup - lots of McLean drivers apparently think its ok for them to impose on others in the form of driving through their neighborhoods but that they should not be similarly imposed upon.

Having said that MD drivers really are their own version of inconsiderate hell on wheels though I don't think too many people would hold VA drivers up as paragons of virtue.

[Anonymous]

There is not the volume of/as many Virginia commuters endangering one particular area of Maryland at one time, as there are Maryland commuters doing so in Virginia. It seems PP is poorly attempting to deflect the real issues and OP’s point.

[Anonymous]

Why wouldn't Marylanders traveling from Tysons take the new ramp in Tysons? I took it today and it was empty!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is not the volume of/as many Virginia commuters endangering one particular area of Maryland at one time, as there are Maryland commuters doing so in Virginia. It seems PP is poorly attempting to deflect the real issues and OP’s point.

There are plenty of Virginia drivers in DC though, and of course lots of Fairfax County drivers endangering people in Arlington and Alexandria.

I admit that is neither here nor there to the specifics of this road. Maybe the change makes sense. But if someone is going to get on his high horse and say "suck it up, if you work in a jurisdiction, you should move there" that should be applied all over, or not at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is not the volume of/as many Virginia commuters endangering one particular area of Maryland at one time, as there are Maryland commuters doing so in Virginia. It seems PP is poorly attempting to deflect the real issues and OP’s point.

There are plenty of Virginia drivers in DC though, and of course lots of Fairfax County drivers endangering people in Arlington and Alexandria.

I admit that is neither here nor there to the specifics of this road. Maybe the change makes sense. But if someone is going to get on his high horse and say "suck it up, if you work in a jurisdiction, you should move there" that should be applied all over, or not at all.

There is a ramp at Tysons that works really well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is not the volume of/as many Virginia commuters endangering one particular area of Maryland at one time, as there are Maryland commuters doing so in Virginia. It seems PP is poorly attempting to deflect the real issues and OP’s point.

There are plenty of Virginia drivers in DC though, and of course lots of Fairfax County drivers endangering people in Arlington and Alexandria.

I admit that is neither here nor there to the specifics of this road. Maybe the change makes sense. But if someone is going to get on his high horse and say "suck it up, if you work in a jurisdiction, you should move there" that should be applied all over, or not at all.

There is a ramp at Tysons that works really well.

My DC went to Madeira. If she had to drive back to Tysons to get on the beltway it would have made for a much longer commute home. Also seems like it would make the ride to sports games (many of which are in MD and DC) much longer. So I hope for Madeira's sake this proposal doesn't go through. Not to mention the people along Georgetown Pike who have kids going to Maryland and DC private schools. I know many people who did this commute for school and they can't be too excited about closing the ramp.

[Anonymous]

Most/all of the private schools have buses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they do this. I have no dog in this fight but Maryland drivers are assholes.

True, but McLean residents are also assholes.

But they are wealthy white assholes, so they are more important.

[Anonymous]

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Georgetown Pike has been around since George Washington was alive. The houses on the Pike each have 2-5 acres of land, some more. I don't consider that over-development. I live off the Pike and I can tell you that it is without a doubt mostly MD commuters using that road, avoiding the Toll road and Route 7. It's one lane and very curvy in places. The bottlenecks occur beyond Old Dominion due to a stop sign at Swinks Mill and lights at and a bit before the beltway entrance.

You can't really widen Georgetown Pike without major construction as some areas are sheer drops into Difficult Run stream. A bridge was proposed off Fairfax County Parkway and shot down.

Your logic escapes me. Georgetown Pike is old and your property is large, thus other people don't exist and traffic is not your problem? I know Georgetown Pike very well myself and it can be made wider, safer, and more accommodating to the volume that is inevitable given the demographics of 2018. Please update your references from the 1700s.

Closing off any access to a vital artery such as the beltway will cause incredible congestion throughout an even wider area. There are better alternatives and unfortunately they will cost big $ and take a long time to install because of the decades of neglect wishing this problem away. Build the bridge, add lanes, create flyovers, or simply enforce the traffic controls since the lane cheaters are predominantly responsible for the gridlock.

Georgetown Pike is a designated historic byway. It can't be widened.

Everything can be changed.

[Anonymous]

Why do people feel the need to blame Maryland drivers for everything?