Minorities almost never file the appeals that can help secure their admission to AAP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

The irony of this is that your kids are probably brighter than the people giving them the GBRS. I'm sorry this was your experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents of AA and Latino children can not win. If they ask for something for their kids, they're "entitled". Now, if they take "no" for an answer they're neglectful.

Pretty much.

You are overthinking this. Asian parents don't give a shit about whether they look entitled or not... that is why they aren't afraid to ask.
Do what's right for your kid. Stop thinking about how you look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

FWIW, I have almost the same story with my DO. I am white, but an immigrant who speaks with an accent.

I think this turns into a perfect storm because black parents and latin parents simply don't push against this, it seems. It's strange to hear the county wring its hands about diversity in the AAP program and if you just actually asked minority parents of children in the program they'd actually get some meaningful insight into the problem.

Right!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

Just curious but did you encourage any other AA parents that you knew to parent refer or appeal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents of AA and Latino children can not win. If they ask for something for their kids, they're "entitled". Now, if they take "no" for an answer they're neglectful.

Pretty much.

You are overthinking this. Asian parents don't give a shit about whether they look entitled or not... that is why they aren't afraid to ask.
Do what's right for your kid. Stop thinking about how you look.

This. People are going to judge no matter what you do, if they are that way inclined. Asian parents get bashed for prepping all the time. The Asian parents I know are open about it and say that being prepared and studying is a part of our culture, and that applies to everything. No excuses. They are content knowing their kids are getting the best that the county has to offer. They don't care if people thing their kids are over-prepped. They are laughing all the way to TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People have said on these forums that one of the reasons for so many parent referrals, appeals, and applying year after year is that parents just won't take "no" for an answer. On the flip side, clearly some groups are taking "no" for an answer way too easily. I would still love to see the demographics for parent referrals for kids in the 120-126 score range as well as the 126-131 range. I wouldn't at all be surprised if the overwhelming majority of white or asian kids in the 120-125 range are parent referred, while a decent percent of black or hispanic ones aren't.

+1. Has anyone ever done a FOIA on this, I wonder?

I'd like to know the number of cases where an appeal was denied but the child was determined eligible for level IV services after all (in same screening year). I've heard this happens and am dumbfounded if it's truly the case. If a pushy parent can beat the system in such a flagrant manner, that speaks volumes about the entire process. Paperwork don't lie, so let's see the data on how many denials were overturned based on "discretion" of the AAP office. I have a feeling zero cases will be for black or hispanic children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents of AA and Latino children can not win. If they ask for something for their kids, they're "entitled". Now, if they take "no" for an answer they're neglectful.

Pretty much.

You are overthinking this. Asian parents don't give a shit about whether they look entitled or not... that is why they aren't afraid to ask.
Do what's right for your kid. Stop thinking about how you look.

This. People are going to judge no matter what you do, if they are that way inclined. Asian parents get bashed for prepping all the time. The Asian parents I know are open about it and say that being prepared and studying is a part of our culture, and that applies to everything. No excuses. They are content knowing their kids are getting the best that the county has to offer. They don't care if people thing their kids are over-prepped. They are laughing all the way to TJ.

TJ won’t necessarily help them get into better schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents of AA and Latino children can not win. If they ask for something for their kids, they're "entitled". Now, if they take "no" for an answer they're neglectful.

Pretty much.

You are overthinking this. Asian parents don't give a shit about whether they look entitled or not... that is why they aren't afraid to ask.
Do what's right for your kid. Stop thinking about how you look.

This. People are going to judge no matter what you do, if they are that way inclined. Asian parents get bashed for prepping all the time. The Asian parents I know are open about it and say that being prepared and studying is a part of our culture, and that applies to everything. No excuses. They are content knowing their kids are getting the best that the county has to offer. They don't care if people thing their kids are over-prepped. They are laughing all the way to TJ.

There’s plenty of Asian American parents on this forum so you don’t have to speak for us. In fact, please don’t do it anymore. Prepping is not part of our culture, regardless of what you think you may of heard once from a random person or two. We are a diverse group of people and don’t need you spreading your prejudices as fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents of AA and Latino children can not win. If they ask for something for their kids, they're "entitled". Now, if they take "no" for an answer they're neglectful.

Pretty much.

You are overthinking this. Asian parents don't give a shit about whether they look entitled or not... that is why they aren't afraid to ask.
Do what's right for your kid. Stop thinking about how you look.

This. People are going to judge no matter what you do, if they are that way inclined. Asian parents get bashed for prepping all the time. The Asian parents I know are open about it and say that being prepared and studying is a part of our culture, and that applies to everything. No excuses. They are content knowing their kids are getting the best that the county has to offer. They don't care if people thing their kids are over-prepped. They are laughing all the way to TJ.

There’s plenty of Asian American parents on this forum so you don’t have to speak for us. In fact, please don’t do it anymore. Prepping is not part of our culture, regardless of what you think you may of heard once from a random person or two. We are a diverse group of people and don’t need you spreading your prejudices as fact.

This - I am an Asian mom and I don't do any test prepping and not TJ obsessed and none of my Asian friends either. We laugh when white people make that kind of generalization about us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents of AA and Latino children can not win. If they ask for something for their kids, they're "entitled". Now, if they take "no" for an answer they're neglectful.

Pretty much.

You are overthinking this. Asian parents don't give a shit about whether they look entitled or not... that is why they aren't afraid to ask.
Do what's right for your kid. Stop thinking about how you look.

This. People are going to judge no matter what you do, if they are that way inclined. Asian parents get bashed for prepping all the time. The Asian parents I know are open about it and say that being prepared and studying is a part of our culture, and that applies to everything. No excuses. They are content knowing their kids are getting the best that the county has to offer. They don't care if people thing their kids are over-prepped. They are laughing all the way to TJ.

There’s plenty of Asian American parents on this forum so you don’t have to speak for us. In fact, please don’t do it anymore. Prepping is not part of our culture, regardless of what you think you may of heard once from a random person or two. We are a diverse group of people and don’t need you spreading your prejudices as fact.

This - I am an Asian mom and I don't do any test prepping and not TJ obsessed and none of my Asian friends either. We laugh when white people make that kind of generalization about us.

So far this thread has featured probably white people saying blacks and Hispanics don’t care, and Asians care to much. Some day we’ll get it right!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

Just curious but did you encourage any other AA parents that you knew to parent refer or appeal?

No why would I do that? I don't talk about AAP with anyone, white, black, asian. I don't know the strengths and weaknesses of anyone else's child so it's not my place to say AAP is right or not.

[Anonymous]

It’s actually the Indian kids that get prepped the most. Can we say Kumon anyone?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

Just curious but did you encourage any other AA parents that you knew to parent refer or appeal?

No why would I do that? I don't talk about AAP with anyone, white, black, asian. I don't know the strengths and weaknesses of anyone else's child so it's not my place to say AAP is right or not.

It's funny, I guess that person thought only AA are allowed to speak with AA parents, or that each minority group has their own little club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

Just curious but did you encourage any other AA parents that you knew to parent refer or appeal?

Do you??? Let me guess, you don't talk to AAs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

Just curious but did you encourage any other AA parents that you knew to parent refer or appeal?

No why would I do that? I don't talk about AAP with anyone, white, black, asian. I don't know the strengths and weaknesses of anyone else's child so it's not my place to say AAP is right or not.

Because white parents and Asian parents do it all the time and I believe that is why they are better informed about the processes and ins and outs and leads to the higher rates of prepping and testing. And it might be nice since the schools are so biased for a parent who might have been at your school who was facing the same bias to have someone to reach out to for advice on how to navigate and the best way to push through.