Minorities almost never file the appeals that can help secure their admission to AAP

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Such remarks in poor taste!

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You know what I love? Right when we started to hear from black and latino parents this thread will die a slow death.

I thank them for their contributions because it should be a god damn sticky. It totally tracks my experience as a latina mother with a child in the program.

Are you copy/pasting your responses from thread to thread?

Ha ha ha

Troll

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So they applied and were rejected? Could it be that they are not insane like white parents who will even go as far as to sue the school system to get their prepped to death kids in? And before you say, oh no, that doesn't happen, I know several parents who were about to sue the school because their kids didn't make the varsity team! And they got their way as school didn't want a law suit.

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Parents of AA and Latino children can not win. If they ask for something for their kids, they're "entitled". Now, if they take "no" for an answer they're neglectful.

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Does Finland have GT and magnet programs in their school system? I can't find any info on that. It seems equality of valued over excellence. Equity in education seem to be the focus. I am opposed to magnets and GT programs, my school in Europe had none of it. Without exaggerating when I came to study in the US in college, I was way above the best GT students that were my peers. So much so, that I often knew the material being thought. I learned it in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:So they applied and were rejected? Could it be that they are not insane like white parents who will even go as far as to sue the school system to get their prepped to death kids in? And before you say, oh no, that doesn't happen, I know several parents who were about to sue the school because their kids didn't make the varsity team! And they got their way as school didn't want a law suit.

From what PPs have said, minorities who are in pool with borderline schools may not get high GBRS scores, which according to the AAP threads can be the determining factor. An appeal would correct this problem, but for whatever reaason or reasons, minorities do not appeal. Referrals aren't mentioned in the WaPo article, so it's hard to discuss that.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Finland have GT and magnet programs in their school system? I can't find any info on that. It seems equality of valued over excellence. Equity in education seem to be the focus. I am opposed to magnets and GT programs, my school in Europe had none of it. Without exaggerating when I came to study in the US in college, I was way above the best GT students that were my peers. So much so, that I often knew the material being thought. I learned it in high school.

I believe that Scandinavian school systems, like many other European school systems, have rigid tracking that starts early. Admittance to high schools depend on test scores, and include various college prep as well as vocational schools. I have relatives who are Swedish, btw.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Finland have GT and magnet programs in their school system? I can't find any info on that. It seems equality of valued over excellence. Equity in education seem to be the focus. I am opposed to magnets and GT programs, my school in Europe had none of it. Without exaggerating when I came to study in the US in college, I was way above the best GT students that were my peers. So much so, that I often knew the material being thought. I learned it in high school.

I believe that Scandinavian school systems, like many other European school systems, have rigid tracking that starts early. Admittance to high schools depend on test scores, and include various college prep as well as vocational schools. I have relatives who are Swedish, btw.

+1 This was my experience in the former USSR as well. Kids were tracked VERY early, so the higher classes could move faster. Which...is one way to do it but it gives up a whole lot of kids before they are really old enough to demonstrate their potential.

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Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

Another AA mom with kids in AAP. Yup, this. One thought I had was that since my kids were high achieving, the base didn't want to lose them because one of their annual thingies on the school profile report was to reduce the achievement gap between white and black children.

I was also appalled by the packet the AART put together. My DD's GBRS was a 6. My DS' was a 7. I parent referred and got the WISC for both of them. They were in pool but rejected. I used the WISC for the appeal (thanks DCUM) and they both got in.

Sadly, I could actually see a school doing something like that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Finland have GT and magnet programs in their school system? I can't find any info on that. It seems equality of valued over excellence. Equity in education seem to be the focus. I am opposed to magnets and GT programs, my school in Europe had none of it. Without exaggerating when I came to study in the US in college, I was way above the best GT students that were my peers. So much so, that I often knew the material being thought. I learned it in high school.

I believe that Scandinavian school systems, like many other European school systems, have rigid tracking that starts early. Admittance to high schools depend on test scores, and include various college prep as well as vocational schools. I have relatives who are Swedish, btw.

+1 This was my experience in the former USSR as well. Kids were tracked VERY early, so the higher classes could move faster. Which...is one way to do it but it gives up a whole lot of kids before they are really old enough to demonstrate their potential.

I am first pp here. Yes, in my country too. But, average elementary/we have no MS students still had the chance to apply to some mid level grammar/high schools that provided classic comprehensive education. So, only the worst students were left with vocational schools. The thing is that today, some vocational high school are becoming more in demand than prestigious public high schools. I think my point was that in ES without GT/accelerated programs in 6,7, 8 grade kids who were doing very well were still challenged and there was no doubt who belonged where. No reason to appeal, test more than what school asked, tutor kids. Bright kids always stand out. Same with universities. you aren't getting in on legacy or a hook.

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I believe that Scandinavian school systems, like many other European school systems, have rigid tracking that starts early. Admittance to high schools depend on test scores, and include various college prep as well as vocational schools. I have relatives who are Swedish, btw.

How early? Do they start at age 7/8, like AAP?

We also don't know just how rigid AAP is. I wonder what percent of kids who are struggling in AAP choose to return to gen ed? Likewise, how many kids are able to move from gen ed to AAP in later elementary? I've been under the impression that most kids who are admitted after 3rd grade either are new to FCPS or were principal placed in a Level IV classroom. The AART at the local elementary (non center, non LLIV school) thought it was much harder being admitted after the main 2nd grade admission round, which suggests that the process is fairly rigid.

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Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

FWIW, I have almost the same story with my DO. I am white, but an immigrant who speaks with an accent.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Finland have GT and magnet programs in their school system? I can't find any info on that. It seems equality of valued over excellence. Equity in education seem to be the focus. I am opposed to magnets and GT programs, my school in Europe had none of it. Without exaggerating when I came to study in the US in college, I was way above the best GT students that were my peers. So much so, that I often knew the material being thought. I learned it in high school.

I believe that Scandinavian school systems, like many other European school systems, have rigid tracking that starts early. Admittance to high schools depend on test scores, and include various college prep as well as vocational schools. I have relatives who are Swedish, btw.

+1 This was my experience in the former USSR as well. Kids were tracked VERY early, so the higher classes could move faster. Which...is one way to do it but it gives up a whole lot of kids before they are really old enough to demonstrate their potential.

Yes, my experience as well. The teachers taught to the "smart" kids and everyone else was SOL. And there was a very clear message that those who couldn't keep up were just stupid. I

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AA mom here who has 2 kids who went through AAP and 1 who is in 2nd now so we will see what happens in April. For my older 2, my story reads like the other AA mom who posted. I remember we had teachers and the AART question why we thought our kids belonged in AAP when we mentioned that we would parent refer if my kids did not get in pool. I was actively discouraged from applying. I had WISCs done on both kids before CogAT results came in. Son's FSIQ was 142 and daughter's was 139. Both ended up in pool. After the school sent their applications to the screening committee, I asked to see my children's files. Work samples were horrible and GBRSs were low. Both under 10. My extremely gifted children got under 10s. I had my own thoughts on why. My kids did very well in both ES and MS AAP. They are both Freshman at Phillips Academy now. Luckily, DH and I are both MDs and have the money to pay for WISCs, without giving it a thought.

For my 2nd grader, we had a WISC done before CogAt came back. His FSIQ is 138 on WISC-V (different WISC then his siblings took) and he's also in pool. I have not seen his file yet but I won't be surprised if the GBRS is under 10 again just because. I can't speak to AA and the appeals process but I can say there is bias at play and even in spite of scores, some AARTs and teachers don't see AA kids as gifted.

FWIW, I have almost the same story with my DO. I am white, but an immigrant who speaks with an accent.

I think this turns into a perfect storm because black parents and latin parents simply don't push against this, it seems. It's strange to hear the county wring its hands about diversity in the AAP program and if you just actually asked minority parents of children in the program they'd actually get some meaningful insight into the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents of AA and Latino children can not win. If they ask for something for their kids, they're "entitled". Now, if they take "no" for an answer they're neglectful.

Pretty much.