GreatSchools makes segregation easy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, these are some very dangerous and unfounded generalizations. For folks that believe in these tired stereotypes, might I suggest you expand your network a little more. There are some "lazy asians that are bad at math" and "poor white people with low test scores that happen to be good dancers" eagerly waiting to meet you.

In all seriousness, every group, every community includes a diverse collection of people that will defy whatever closed-minded narrative you are trying to push. And the key word here is "people", which at the end of the day that's all it really comes down to. No one group has a monopoly on the character traits of hard work or laziness.

+1. I was just about to add that, amongst my Jewish relatives, there are 'geniuses pianists', 'run-of-the-mill jocks' and - gasp - 'lazy deadbeats who barely make it in middle school'. Yes, there are Jewish kids who don't give a crap about education.

This is a common issue on DCUM so let me speak slowly. Generalizations exist because they are true a majority of the time. Great that your personal situation is different but you have to realize you are an outlier. Facts and statistics are not on your side.

The original topic was even in diverse schools students generally sit with students that look like them. My point was that this is because high schools have tracking and in general aka a majority of the time in MOCO schools asians and whites are in higher level classes and blacks and hispancis are in lower level classes. Have a good evening.

You are not generalizing facts, you are generalizing the cause of certain facts/outcomes (Ex: AA's perform worse on standardized test bc they care less about education)


Are you suggesting that if people of color "cared" more about education, we could solve the achievement gap? I actually like that idea. We should tell all these experts that have spent careers studying the causes of disparities in education, income, wealth, etc... that the solution is people should just "care" more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, these are some very dangerous and unfounded generalizations. For folks that believe in these tired stereotypes, might I suggest you expand your network a little more. There are some "lazy asians that are bad at math" and "poor white people with low test scores that happen to be good dancers" eagerly waiting to meet you.

In all seriousness, every group, every community includes a diverse collection of people that will defy whatever closed-minded narrative you are trying to push. And the key word here is "people", which at the end of the day that's all it really comes down to. No one group has a monopoly on the character traits of hard work or laziness.

+1. I was just about to add that, amongst my Jewish relatives, there are 'geniuses pianists', 'run-of-the-mill jocks' and - gasp - 'lazy deadbeats who barely make it in middle school'. Yes, there are Jewish kids who don't give a crap about education.

This is a common issue on DCUM so let me speak slowly. Generalizations exist because they are true a majority of the time. Great that your personal situation is different but you have to realize you are an outlier. Facts and statistics are not on your side.

The original topic was even in diverse schools students generally sit with students that look like them. My point was that this is because high schools have tracking and in general aka a majority of the time in MOCO schools asians and whites are in higher level classes and blacks and hispancis are in lower level classes. Have a good evening.

NP - This was true at my Top 5 university as well, even though I am sure that tracking was not the explanation.

[Anonymous]

Political correctness will forever be the reason no real gains can be made to the achievement gap. This thread is case in point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Political correctness will forever be the reason no real gains can be made to the achievement gap. This thread is case in point.

What's your policy solution? Keeping in mind that "people who I think don't care, should care more!" is a wish, not a policy solution.

[Anonymous]

You are not generalizing facts, you are generalizing the cause of certain facts/outcomes (Ex: AA's perform worse on standardized test bc they care less about education)

Are you suggesting that if people of color "cared" more about education, we could solve the achievement gap? I actually like that idea. We should tell all these experts that have spent careers studying the causes of disparities in education, income, wealth, etc... that the solution is people should just "care" more.

I'm not the PP you responded to but you are missing several things.

Lower SES homes are correlated with parents who have less education. Parents who have less education either lack the skills and/or motivation to help their children succeed in school. Standards in public schools do not require significant intelligence. The standards can be met pretty easily with hard work, practice, and a student receiving support. Yes if an urban AA family or white rural family or suburban hispanic parents put forth more effort to take their kids to the library, finish high school, and avail themselves of every free learning opportunity the way many asian and african immigrant families do then the achievement gap would be much lower, They don't so the only alternative is for schools to try to make up what is missing at home. This is very time intensive and requires more than a lower teacher/student ratio. It requires high quality preschool programs, after school homework clubs that are more than study hall, year round school, and motivational practices in school and consequences for not doing the school work.

[Anonymous]

Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You are not generalizing facts, you are generalizing the cause of certain facts/outcomes (Ex: AA's perform worse on standardized test bc they care less about education)

Are you suggesting that if people of color "cared" more about education, we could solve the achievement gap? I actually like that idea. We should tell all these experts that have spent careers studying the causes of disparities in education, income, wealth, etc... that the solution is people should just "care" more.

I'm not the PP you responded to but you are missing several things.

Lower SES homes are correlated with parents who have less education. Parents who have less education either lack the skills and/or motivation to help their children succeed in school. Standards in public schools do not require significant intelligence. The standards can be met pretty easily with hard work, practice, and a student receiving support. Yes if an urban AA family or white rural family or suburban hispanic parents put forth more effort to take their kids to the library, finish high school, and avail themselves of every free learning opportunity the way many asian and african immigrant families do then the achievement gap would be much lower, They don't so the only alternative is for schools to try to make up what is missing at home. This is very time intensive and requires more than a lower teacher/student ratio. It requires high quality preschool programs, after school homework clubs that are more than study hall, year round school, and motivational practices in school and consequences for not doing the school work.

+1,000 I hope you are in a position to put some of this into practice

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry I should have clarified yes most Africans value education and most African Americans don't.

When you look at demos overall most of the black population is low SES in low classes with the immigrant families being outliers much like the Asian immigrant families. And yes I am well aware that there are some Asians who identify with ghetto culture but again they are the minority in MoCo overall.

I'm an AA married to an African, and have both AAs and black immigrants (African, West Indian, etc.) in our well-educated social circles. Sweeping generalizations like the above are utter BS.

Instead of commenting on other ethnic/racial groups you clearly know little about, maybe you should ponder your own poor education, which has lead to the uncritical thinking and run-on sentences on display here.

Well looks like there are a bunch of black people on here today

Look I don't understand what is so hard here. Black people have lower SES, lower test scores, and care about education less than the average population. Now granted that this is DCUM I expect most of you care more. Most upper middle class and above black people don't send their kids to majority black schools. They go private or go to schools that are higher performing. Those are the facts and yes I would say that to your face.

I challenge you to say this to every black person you come in contact with since you claim to have the balls to do it!

Agree, many many many of the heavy-hitter successful educated African American families' children are in private and proceed to go to Top 25 colleges. the classes are statistically diverse in terms of race and ethnicity, just like the top colleges. MCPS cannot sculpt their monsterously large grade sizes if they tried.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, these are some very dangerous and unfounded generalizations. For folks that believe in these tired stereotypes, might I suggest you expand your network a little more. There are some "lazy asians that are bad at math" and "poor white people with low test scores that happen to be good dancers" eagerly waiting to meet you.

In all seriousness, every group, every community includes a diverse collection of people that will defy whatever closed-minded narrative you are trying to push. And the key word here is "people", which at the end of the day that's all it really comes down to. No one group has a monopoly on the character traits of hard work or laziness.

+1. I was just about to add that, amongst my Jewish relatives, there are 'geniuses pianists', 'run-of-the-mill jocks' and - gasp - 'lazy deadbeats who barely make it in middle school'. Yes, there are Jewish kids who don't give a crap about education.

This is a common issue on DCUM so let me speak slowly. Generalizations exist because they are true a majority of the time. Great that your personal situation is different but you have to realize you are an outlier. Facts and statistics are not on your side.

The original topic was even in diverse schools students generally sit with students that look like them. My point was that this is because high schools have tracking and in general aka a majority of the time in MOCO schools asians and whites are in higher level classes and blacks and hispancis are in lower level classes. Have a good evening.

NP - This was true at my Top 5 university as well, even though I am sure that tracking was not the explanation.

Absolutely.

Diversity Dispersity.
- Tom Wolfe

[Anonymous]

same in the lunchroom. take your pick - Central American table, black table, SE Asian table, Chinese American table, white girls, white boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely.

Diversity Dispersity.
- Tom Wolfe

I'm thinking maybe a Republican novelist who grew up in the segregated South isn't the BEST source for how kids today interact with one another across racial lines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Absolutely.

Diversity Dispersity.
- Tom Wolfe

I'm thinking maybe a Republican novelist who grew up in the segregated South isn't the BEST source for how kids today interact with one another across racial lines.

Yup. He's turning 87 in March. Kids today!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Is your argument that UMC Black folks use private schools at a higher rate than UMC white folks? Because otherwise I'm not sure of your point.